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AndrewR
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I mentioned a while back a way of explaining not only "Starship Class" but "Antares Class" too...

Think of it like taxonomy... Kingdom Phylum Class Order Family Genus Species Subspecies

"STARSHIP CLASS" could encompass a whole variety of other classes... including Constitution class, Excelsior Class and Miranda Class.

"ANTARES CLASS" could be another one of these superclasses... that encompass a wider range of sub classes... i.e. The Xhosa type etc. etc. etc. This could be for classes of ships that are generally considered for use as cargo vessels.

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Have any of you seen the episode "The Menagerie, Part 1"? I don't want to be rude, but I do feel that statements are being said as if they are authoritative.

The named episode gives us the only specific class for a starship in the run of Star Trek: the J Class Starship. By Capt. Kirk's era, this class was old.

The show Enterprise, surprisingly, is giving us a glimpse into the order of classes prior to the Kirkian Era. This order is matching what we know from this era.


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I could have sworen there were plenty of other ships that had their classes named. Like the E-D, E-A, Def, Voy, Prometheus, maybe even the Nebula, New Orleans, & the Danube were named. And as I think about it so was the Constellation, Miranda, and Soyuz.

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Constitution was said on screen in "The Naked Now"
New Orleans and Ambassador were said in "Conspiracy"
Galaxy was said in "Encounter At Farpoint"
Soyuz was said in "Cause And Effect"
Constellation was said in "The Battle"
Daedalus was said in "Power Play"
Defiant was said in "The Search" I believe...
Intrepid was said in "Caretaker"
Nova was said in "Equinox"

Dunno about the rest of the classes.

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Nebula was in The Wounded, and 'Defiant-class' didn't actually come up directly until either "Valiant" or "The Dogs of War." Danube was in "Emissary," I think (Sisko's first station log).

I'm racking my brain to get the first Excelsior mention. Not too much luck.

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ST3, of course.

No, Danube's first mention was "Hippocratic Oath." I think up to then, I was calling them "Nile-class" ships.

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The class was not mentioned in ST3, just the actual ship.

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In my posting, I was referring to the first series.
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Yeah, I was just about to point out that none of the episodes named were any time during the run of "Star Trek", which you specified in the original statement. (I'm pointing this out for the benefit of everyone who missed it. I'm sure you already know what you said. :-) )
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Perhaps it would be the most logical choice to say that the NCC-1701-nil was originally built as an Enterprise class vessel, and later refitted to Constitution specs?

That would jibe with most of the canonical data. The "Enterprise class" plaque next to the simulator might be an outdated one, from the days the simulator simulated the bridges of TOS era vessels. The canon references to "Constitution class" are either vague as to which version they refer to (like Picard's line in "Relics"), or specifically referring to the refitted version (like Scotty's picture or the "Naked Now" computer screen).

And of course, "1701" being the first of a class would be consistent with "01" being the first of a class. The Excelsior might usher in a new tradition of registration, or perhaps merely reinforce the old one in that non-operational "pre-prototype" testbeds get the double zero?

Or was there a mention of Constitution class in "Trials and Tribble-ations"? That would rain on my parade a *lot*. Alas.

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And we reach further...

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A bunch of literalists.... you could drive someone freakin CRAZY!

SO Star Trek it is! Yeesh. I had assumed he meant Star Trek, not Star Trek [TOS--- hello that's why we use acronyms]... so I was going through all the ships that had a design shown on screen and were named at the same time --- or they had a design and later given a Class name. The New Orleans was not one of these [the name may have been given in Conspiracy and maybe again later... but never at those two times was the ship model shown on screen--- nor was a model shown later (those two ships either 1) destroyed in that episode and never shown before or 2) never shown because it was a historical reference from 20 years prior)]. I am not certain about the Ambassador Class--- out of the three or four times we've seen it I can't remember if one of those ships were specifically called an Ambassador Class. I can't remember any more right now...

Concerning NX vessels though. For TOS-VOY I'm considereing any NX vessels to have the same ship and class name. Thus Excelsior, Defiant, and Prometheus are respectively an Excelsior, a Defiant, and a Prometheus. And that assumption makes me believe that there are also NX in all classes.

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Then again, with Archer stating that the Enterprise is an NX-class starship, it raises an interesting possibility for registry numbers in that era. Perhaps the actual digits aren't locked out when you use them in a specific registry number. Depending on the ship class, we could see an NX-01, a J-01, a Y-01, etc. That is, of course, until they throw us another curve ball and give us a new class with a name instead of a letter code.

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That's an interesting possibility.

Personally, I don't get what the big deal is about the ship's registry. I think Bernd was ranting about it on his website -- "In Voyager NX-1 was the 'Dauntless!'" But of course, until we know that pre-Federation Starfleet registry carried over into Federation Starfleet, it's a pointless discussion, isn't it?

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quote:
Originally posted by TSN:
I've always figured that "starship class" is like saying "cruiser class" or "freighter class" or something. It was simply the terminology used in 2245 for that type of ship.

"Class 1 heavy cruiser" would be in the same category. Just, sometime between 2245 and whenever this newer term appeared, the E's classifiaction was changed. Just different terminology.

"Enterprise class" is a the simulator, not the ship.

And "Constitution class" is the actual class name of the ship, as derived per tradition from the prototype ship's name.

That, in my opinion, is the easiest, most sensical way to look at it.


I've got to go with the above as the most logical (and aesthetically satisfying) answer.

I will point out, though, that Starfleet designations for Romulan ships have included the phrase "B-type Warbird", referring to what is otherwise referred to as the D'deridex. Not to assume what I'm agreeing with, but perhaps there was a prior Warbird which, though rather "D'deridexish", wasn't quite the same, or was an earlier model.

Similarly, one could refer to a "B-type Constitution" . . . or, more properly, the "Enterprise sub-type".

The big problem I see with referring to the Enterprise post-2271 as "Enterprise Class" would be that you could then give a different class name to all sorts of mostly similar vessels . . . the USS Lakota from Deep Space Nine, which could also be referred to as Enterprise Class (or Enterprise-B Class).

And heaven forbid we start counting all those kooky-topped Nebulas. :-)

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