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Some time in the past I remember reading a post about the starfleet tugs seen in DS9. It's seen in 'A time to stand' I think. In that post I remember something was mentioned about it having Romulan nacelles. What I was wondering is, was it a comment on what was used to make up the ship model and they were just slapped on by some ship designer or were they actually meant to be there? If they were actually meant to be part of the ship, why the hell would the Romulans allow the Federation to use their technology? Even if it was old. And there is ofcourse the chance that this guy was wrong and my whole question is pointless. But what the heck, since I remembered , its been bugging me.
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However, we do see it on the underside of the sydneymodel.
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I can virtually guarantee you that those are nacelles from ERTL's Rommie Warbird model being used on that tug model. At least, I'll bet that's what they started out as. I believe you can also see a runabout pod on the top there.
However, they also look a little like K'Tinga Nacelles.
Whatever, they are, the answer is, yes, the tug, like the other new ships seen during the duration of DS9's run, was a kitbash of existing models.
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Do you know what, this Tug discussion got me thinking... why did they need all those people to do that POINTLESS kit-bashing!?! There are so many good model makers out there - some who have shown their work here... why not just seek some of them out - if they are going to use ERTL model sets on film, then some of the models that people have made, of things like the Cheyenne and the New Orleans class ships would be WAY better quality - even for background use. I'm sure that some people would be willing to let their own 'work' be used for FREE! It'd be an honour! But no, they have to go and make these CRAPOLA designs that are just WRONG!
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It's that and I don't think Berman wants to have fans near the sets.
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Dealing with outside 'talent' would invlove so many legal issues, security risks, insanity and union problems, it'd be som much more trouble than it's worth.
So you're down to salaried, contract help.
They're going to do whatever is cheapest. Hense, the kitbashin'.
That said, when kitbashing is done well, I don't see a problem with it. I have no problem with the Centaur or the Shelley Class. I even sort of like the Yeager Class.
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I actually like the Yeager, Centaur, and to a point the Curry Class. It's the other kitbashes in the book that make me wanna vomit.
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Well, the Freedomesque Constitution bash isn't so bad. And that Intrepid one is actually just a poor drawing of the Voyager prototype which looks better than the DS9TM would have you think. So, the only real abomination is the so-called "Medusa", which I freely admit is crap...
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Then again, since we know that so many of the pictures are inaccurate, it may be that the three-naceller one is in reality quite different, too.
I kind of doubt the Voyager study model was really used in "A Time to Stand". Since the Yeager was a kitbash of a Voyager scale model, it seems possible that the Connie/Intrepid mongrel was one of those, too. With the other ships, Drexler used minimum effort and cut-and-pasted elemets from existing ship pictures to create the mongrels, stretching some elements if necessary, but rarely adding custom pieces. So why does the Connie/Intrepid mixture have a customized secondary hull that isn't lifted directly from any existing picture and does not much resemble the secondary hull of the Voyager study model?
I suspect this *is* pretty much how the ship really looked like. The scale relationships between the parts may be off, though, just like the Yeager has slightly too large nacelles wrt the real thing.
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That's exactly what I wonder Timo. I've never been able to figure out where that part came from. I don't have the book in front of me, but as I recall it wasn't all the complex a shape, so it's possible that he just made it up in Illustrator. But none of the other ships appear to have custom parts. Why here?
But what the heck, since I remembered , its been bugging me.
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