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The Mighty Monkey of Mim
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Does this Galaxy-class ship exist?

Let the discussion begin...

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Probably, but whether or not its called Santa Maria is another thing. I worked this name out by enhancing & tracing the image of the ship but that was almost a year ago & I'm not so sure now...but then again I never was.
I look at it now & I think the second word is "Hope"

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quote:
Does this Galaxy-class ship exist?

I hope this ship wasn't in any episode, because NCC-70564 is lower than the Galaxy's.
I sent an email to Mojo. Let's see what he says about this ship.

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Yes. And having a registry number lower than the class-designation ship would be unprecedented, woudn't it?

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Well, yes. The only Federation Starfleet "NX" registries we know of are the Constellation, Excelsior, Ambassador, Galaxy, Danube, Bradbury, Defiant, and Prometheus. And, even at that, the only ones that are strictly canon are the Constellation, Excelsior, Defiant, Prometheus, and possibly Bradbury. As far as I know, there have never been any contradictions w/ those.
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I think he was reffering to the rather minor problem with the Constitution registeries.

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The Mighty Monkey of Mim
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What if it said 'Shiku Maru'?

Oh wait...that wouldn't work, would it?

I don't believe registries are sequential, so that's not the same sort of problem for me.

After all, we had numbers of NCC-2120 and NCC-3801 canonically confirmed in TMP and TWOK. Not to mention the little already-mentioned-many-times-over bit about the Constitution/Constellation mishap. Plus, we also had two U.S.S. Ahwahnees in the TNG timeframe, ant the second one had a registy about 200 digits lower than the first! There are plenty of other examples, but I think I've made my point...

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quote:
Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim:
What if it said 'Shiku Maru'?

Oh wait...that wouldn't work, would it?

I don't believe registries are sequential, so that's not the same sort of problem for me.

After all, we had numbers of NCC-2120 and NCC-3801 canonically confirmed in TMP and TWOK. Not to mention the little already-mentioned-many-times-over bit about the Constitution/Constellation mishap. Plus, we also had two U.S.S. Ahwahnees in the TNG timeframe, ant the second one had a registy about 200 digits lower than the first! There are plenty of other examples, but I think I've made my point...


Well firstly I belive they are sequencial, for the simple reason that for the vast majority, they are. Your taking the exception as proof to the rule.
NCC-2xxx + regs in the 23rd century can be explaned (at a stretch) by saying that the excelsior was in developement for a very long time & retained the NX-2000 while other older ships were being built after it was started.
the 2 Ahwahnees are easy to do away with, u can easily say that the second Ahwahnee was originally named something else & the name was changed & the ship given the the surviving crew of the first. just like the Yorktown. A similar explanation covers the constitution problem (to a point).

But this Galaxy registery is alot trickier to explane...

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Just thought I'd re-post the Rev's pics:

So, it does look a bit like 'Hope.' I wonder what it could be. If it is Something Hope, here are a few possibilities:

1. U.S.S. Cape Hope
2. U.S.S. Good Hope
3. (A cheesy in-joke)
U.S.S. A New Hope

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Um, did this have any caption under it, like in the other calendars?

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Um, not to be impertinent or anything, but can't we just ignore it?

The reg is obviously hopelessly inconsistent and its impossible to get a definite name, its not from onscreen so it ain't canon. So...if it causes more trouble than its worth - fuck it.

Am I wrong?

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Well, for the people like me who assign the status of "canon" to only the material seen on-screen, there really isn't anything to be concerned about. Unless this ship was actually sneaked into an episode, we can ignore it.

However, Monkey of Mim is of another group of people that assign "canon" status to all material authorized by Paramount. So for that group, this ship will pose a problem. So for them, I propose this solution in accepting the registry: this registry was originally assigned in a block of numbers issued to (for sake of argument) Nebula class starships. This particular number wasn't used, and when the Galaxy class building increased, this number was reassigned to a new Galaxy. This particularly works if you don't believe that registries are strictly chronological. But this solution poses a sticky problem of being lower than the USS Galaxy's.

Anyone else have a better idea?


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I always have a better idea.
Its obvious really, a pocket of stellar gas affected a weather satelight and refracted the light from sirius....um....it was a criminal from the 29th century playing silly buggers with the time line, causing the Galaxy-class to be built earlier...a separated sauser section from a nebula (can they do that?) has been intigrated with a galaxy stardrive, just for kicks.

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The Mighty Monkey of Mim
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Um...guys?

Can we please concentrate on trying to find out what the name says? IS it 'Santa Maria,' or is it something else?

Was this calender done by FI? If so, can we contact them, or attract attention from Mojo, or something?

Hey wait! That's a great idea:
http://flare.solareclipse.net/cgi2/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=001332

What do y'all think? I'm a genius. I know.

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You're right (I think) about that "Hope" part at the end of the Galaxy's name. What could it be? They must have wrote something on there.
And, what was this calendar like? Was it like one of those monthly ones, with one picture a month, or a tear-off one, with a picture each day? If so, it must have had some sort of caption. Does anyone have it?

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