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I would have to say Intrepid. On my site I listed it as being commissioned in 2368, and the Sovereign in 2372. But those are my views, because there aren't any real canon dates for these, as yet.
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The chicken? Are you mad. I think everybody knows that it was a woorgle beast from the area now know as Maine that ate a pterodactylus and laid an egg. Then the egg became fossilized until Frank discovered it in 1983 in his backyard when it hatched a chicken.
As for the Intrepid... I'd say first. At the time it was nearly completed the admiral said it featured the EMH which Starfleet started putting on its other ships.
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In all seriousness, I'd have to say the Intrepid class entered service first. In one of the TNG episodes, LaForge was having an engine-efficiency battle going on with the chief engineer of the USS Intrepid. Now, this could have been the old Excelsior on her final mission or the new Intrepid on trial runs. Either way, though, it could have been possible for that class to enter service within TNG's time frame.
The Sovereign seems to be a more advanced ship. The Sickbay modules are identical, and both come equipped with an EMH program. But Voyager (or was it Intrepid class?) was the testbed for the system. The Sovereign has the capability to fire quantum torpedoes, while the Intrepid does not. Of course, a small explorer like the Intrepid may not need those powerful weapons.
Aside from my ramblings, it's too close to really tell. Plus, there are no canon dates for construction and entering service. Both were probably in development for a while, though.
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Seven of Nine knew about the First Contact incident, and she joined Voyager at the end of season 3/beginning season 4, which is end 2372/begining 2373.
So the Enterprise-E commission date is the beginning of the year 2372 at most. It cannot be later than that, since they were in service for a year in First Contact.
As for it's earliest commission date: There is a gap of a few months between "All Good Things..." and "Caretaker". So the Enterprise-E could have been commissioned just before Voyager, but mere weeks at best.
I do however remember making a timeline of my own once in which I had put the destruction of the Enterprise-D after Voyager went to the Delta Quadrant.
Well, I think it's time to re-watch some movies and see if there are any stardates given.
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Voyager was commissioned in 2371, around stardate 48300.something (or at least thats when they were testing the doctor.. the ship actually could have been around for a while) > My statement about it being in the first run of intrepids came from Rick Sternbach's newsgroup writings (about the registry of the Intrepid), so it may be contradicted. But Voyager was still fairly new, based on Stadi's comments to Paris in caretaker.
The Enterprise-D was destroyed on stardate 48600.something.. stardate given in the movie, in a log entry but i dont have it at my fingertips right now. Thats a third of a year AFTER Voyager was lost. And, at least according to supposition in the chronology, there was a period of 'down time' and the E-D crew didnt get a ship til 2372, probably in the first half of the year. So the new Enterprise was commissioned almost a year after Voyager was lost > My statement about it being the second Sovereign was supposition, but is the most likely explanation why there are no Sovereign-class ships common.
But the fact remains that in real life, the Sovereign was designed at paramount pictures about a year and a half after the intrepid was designed at paramount pictures, and was intended to look much more advanced if that helps.
What does seven of nine have to do with it.. i dont get that?
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As for First Contact, i dont recall a stardate for that one, but it takes place sometime after the DS9 episode 'Rapture' when they began using the grey uniforms, in the last half of the fifth season. That runs concurrent with the last half of Voyager's third season.
From the plaques: Enterprise-E was launched on SD 49027.5.. January, 2372 .. a year and a half before First Contact (which took place in late 2373 according to the above evidence)
Voyager was launched on SD 48038.5.. a couple months before testing the doctor and getting lost, shortly after AGT and half a year before Generations, and almost exactly one year before the E-E commissioning and two and a half years before First Contact.
Seven of Nine joined in the beginning of season 4, which corresponds to 2374, and would be at least a few months after first contact
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The Seven of Nine remark comes from "Year of Hell". She knew about 21st century events in First Contact. She didn't mention the E-E, though and it's unclear as to whether or not she knew anything about the "modern day" battle portion of First Contact.
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Seven knew of the sector 001 battle in late 2373 through the Borg unimind probably, and still carried the knowledge after 2374 when she joined Voyagers crew. She would have been separated from the borg mind at the very end of the year or the beginning of the next, depending on what the VGR stardate was, but the FC battle (the producers said what episodes it was supposed to be inbetween once, but i forgot) was about 2/3 or 3/4 of the way through the year. There's precedent for Borg escaping the destruction of their cubes.. remember drones from Wolf 359 and other Alpha Quadrant battles were transported back to the Delta Quadrant (Frazer from Unity, Wilkarah, etc...) ***very Minor Endgame spoiler, but only if you didnt read who the Guest stars were**** $
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For those who don't know, there's evidence late in VOY's run that stardates don't conform to the xx000 == January 1, xx999 == December 31 scheme. The suggestion is that xx000 is actually around the middle of a calendar year.
I suggest that, from now on, rather than converting the dates, we could start referring to stardate years. So, for example, if the E-E was launched on SD49027.5, we could just say "the beginning of year 49", rather than "January 2372" (since it might have actually been something like July). If we want to be kind of cheesy, we could even say "staryear 49". And, since the hundreds place is a '0', it's the first tenth (best not to call it a month).
I'll go back and convert the stuff that's been talked about here:
SY48: 1st tenth: VOY launched 4th tenth: VOY lost in DQ 7th tenth: E-D destroyed SY49: 1st tenth: E-E launched SY50: 9th tenth: FC SY51: 1st tenth: Seven leaves collective 3rd-5th tenths: "Year of Hell"
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