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There's sort of a dearth of ship-related issues to talk about these days, but I did find something interesting on a site with Christie's auction items.
At the end of Star Trek: Generations, three starships leave Veridian III. We all know that the Nebula class ship was the U.S.S. Farragut, but the identities of the Miranda and Oberth class ships were unknown. Well, it turns out that they were the Saratoga and the Pegasus:
It would be the last time that both of these physical models would be used in Star Trek, and they retained their markings from the episodes they were used in (and the Saratoga was given its rollbar back, while the phaser cannons were removed). This also stamps out the rumor that the Oberth was labeled as the "U.S.S. Valiant NCC-50000," since it was most certainly not labeled as such, so it should be removed from anyones' ship lists.
Unfortunately, one cannot quite explain how both ships were operating years after they had already been destroyed...
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Thank you. I always thought the idea of an Oberth named valiant was dumb. Just because it was on one study model...
Obviously ships get their names changed & repainted every so often when they pull into port for a while. It's a disinformation campaign to confuse the enemy & obfuscate the true fleet numbers. That's why the bridge was different in Generations; that ship was previously USS Trinculo.
...They added transporter emitters to the Oberth model. Interesting.
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If you mean that big black thing behind the saucer...I think that's always been there.
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No, I mean the beigey/yellow rectangles that are transporter emitter arrays.
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I love the markings on the Oberth's nacelles. The detail is cool. The windows on the OB's saucer seem smaller than I remember (thus making the saucer bigger than I remember). Are the windows different than on other OB's?
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I gotta say, the Oberth is a sexy-looking ship.
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quote:Originally posted by Mars Needs Women: For a second I thought Esecallum had returned...
Well I have nothing more to add here except to say thanks.
God i thinking that shit...
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: I love the markings on the Oberth's nacelles. The detail is cool. The windows on the OB's saucer seem smaller than I remember (thus making the saucer bigger than I remember). Are the windows different than on other OB's?
i noticed that too. all those blackened lights. *checks Bernd's site* Nah, no issues always been there i guess...
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I remember seeing a "new Oberth" somewhere on some fansite. Does anyone recall seeing it? I can't remember the class name or I'd google it, but it was supposed to be a 24th century era replacement of the Oberth - more TNG sexy lines, less TOS/Movies look.
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People come up with those all the time. You'll find most fan creations are "replacements for the aging x class". It's a good shorthand way of explaining how your ship fits into the Trek universe, but it's a little over used now.
As for the Pegasus and Saratoga, I don't know why nobody thought of this sooner! It was staring us in the face (well, the face of anyone who looked through all the pics coming out of the auctions). I too am glad this has dispelled the Valiant rumour, although I always liked the idea that the Miranda was the Bozeman since it was supposed to be somewhere in the area in GEN.
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They did a big clean-up of the Farragut/Nebula model for Generations - I remember seeing it in a doco for the movie. Why didn't they do the same for these two ships?
It's a wonder that AMT/ERTL never released the Oberth as a model.
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Y'know it's interesting that I never saw these ships at Christie's I guess they were sold before the auction reached New York. Oh well, at least I got to see the Yeager class. And tribbles.
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