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Dukhat
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Okay, so all of us starship freaks are patiently awaiting the new movie, and just what we'll be seeing in terms of new ships designs. I thought I'd start a thread about the new ships of Star Trek XI, based on the information we know so far (with spoilers, of course). Hopefully as the months go by, we'll get more and more ship info up until the premiere, but for now let's see what we have:

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1. The U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701, Constitution Class. This new take on the venerable old Enterprise was designed by Ryan Church, who is best known for his work on the Star Wars prequels. Because it seems that this Enterprise is brand-new once Pike takes command and Kirk is serving as a cadet, this implies that any other Starfleet vessel shown will be an older design.

2. The U.S.S. Kelvin NCC-0514, class unknown. The ship that Kirk's father served on twenty years ago. The ship consists of a flat saucer section, with a secondary hull above and a very large nacelle below. The ship is supposed to be smaller than the Enterprise, but probably not by much. Pike is rumored to have quoted to Kirk that his father saved 800 people during the Kelvin's "accident." Does this mean that the Kelvin had a crew complement of 800 or even more than that?

3. Other 23rd century Federation starships.
I was less than thrilled to hear that they hired John Eaves to be the principle ship designer for this movie (sans the Enterprise), since I dislike his work because all his designs look the same regardless of race, organization, or time period that the ships belong. I'm hoping that at least with both the Enterprise and the Kelvin designs, he'll try to stick close to those aesthetics. With that said, we know at least that other Starfleet vessels will be shown, because they appeared destroyed over Vulcan in the trailer. These ships were part of the "Vulcan rescue fleet" to which the Enterprise also belongs, so it's reasonably certain we'll see them in their pre-destroyed state. We do see that the wreckage consists mainly of saucers and nacelles (or perhaps engineering sections, since the nacelles seem to be as large as they are [Wink] ). We definitely see one intact ship at the space station, although it is very small. It seems to consist of a small saucer with two nacelles attached to upward-pointing pylons.

4. Romulan starships (24th century). I'm assuming that any Romulan ships we will see will originate in the 24th century, or whatever future point in time Nero comes from. It is not at all certain that the "Narada" space-octopus thing is actually a Romulan ship. There is a description of the ship Nero actually uses to tether to Vulcan: "all angles, with chains drooping off the sides." Sounds like a John Eaves-designed prison ship to me...

5. Klingon starships. Since Nero is apparently being held prisoner on the Rura Penthe of the 24th century, and Anton Yelchin is quoted as saying that there are Klingon ships on the screen (possibly during Kirk's Kobayashi Maru test), it seems we may see Klingon vessels from both time periods. JJ Abrams said that there was a whole plot thread involving Klingons that he had to cut for story reasons. Hopefully the deleted scenes will be on the DVD release.

6. 24th century starships. So far, the only known 24th century vessel is old Spock's Vulcan time ship. I was sincerely hoping that old Spock came from far enough in the future that if there were any scenes there, the Enterprise-F would be shown. That would have been a great symbol of how long the Enterprise's legacy would have lasted to the average movie viewer. But that probably won't happen. It's just as well - if it did, it would probably have been designed by John Eaves.

7. Other ships. If Trek history is to be followed, we may get to see the actual Kobayashi Maru freighter. Plus, there will be shuttles, escape pods, etc. that will or have already been shown.

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I have been trying to catch up on news, browsing around the net. I'm 2 months behind on what's going on.

I came upon this page http://blog.myspace.com/gabekoerner...
I also played a few hands on PartyPoker, read about the market, and found out who Seth Killian is.

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Dukhat
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Gabe Koerner has nothing to do with this movie.
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sUPAfly, you're waaaaaay behind the times (Elvis Clones, space hampsters, etc...)

where ya been?

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Jason Abbadon
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quote:
Pike is rumored to have quoted to Kirk that his father saved 800 people during the Kelvin's "accident." Does this mean that the Kelvin had a crew complement of 800 or even more than that?

could mean anything- the 800 figure could mean he saved a colony and the ship or whatever.
He might've saved the ship from blowing up at a starbase.

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So far there's been no mention of significant scenes being deleted (I hope none will be, I still remember the sinking feeling I had when it was revealed that various bits of character stuff were being removed from Insurrection and Nemesis), so I'm guessing any Klingon scenes never made it past script stage, especially if they're being deleted for "story reasons."

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quote:
Originally posted by Dukhat:
Gabe Koerner has nothing to do with this movie.

No, but he does have some interesting thoughts on the new Enerprise on his blog there. He points out that people who don't like it shouldn't be harsh on Ryan Church, as it's the producers who decide the direction of the design and the finished product might not reflect the artist's tastes at all.

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... like asking all the pyromaniacs to NOT burn the world (please?)...

back on topic. Has anyone done good looks at the material present about what ships are seen? ala BOBW indepth? i mean when the tech was availible 10 years ago, folks like Berne used the Hubble space station to analize the BOBW and what-not (and for that, the epic win with HUBBLE von Berne, we salute you!), why hasn't anyone done the same with the new trailer for JJ-Ent?

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Lee
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Probably because there's not a lot of material available. For instance, I just went through the trailer again, and all I could find were these two frames of the wreckage over Vulcan. And since, generally, the canon ship classes preceding and contemporary to the Connie are a bit of a grey area, I don't think you're going to see anything you recognise. . .

http://flareupload.pleh.net/uploads/393/vulscrap.png

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I thought I saw the Vulcan Landing Vessel from First Contact in the part in the preview where it pans across a Vulcan city.

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As Dukhat said, there's a ship in the background of the shot where the Enterprise warps away from the Starbase, but it's very small and blurry. For all we know we'll see another ship of that class in a berth alongside the Enterprise anyway. Not much point analysing it at this stage.

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And the wreckage seems too scattered to identify any specific design. For all we know the wreckage consists of Kelvin and Nu-Ent parts darkened and damaged to create the illusion of various ship designs that were destroyed.
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Jason Abbadon
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Maybe they'll piss us all off and use parts of well-known CGI models as wreckage.
I'd laugh myself into a coma to see a wrecked Dauntless in there.

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They might have a sence of humour and put BoBW wreckage in there.

They won't. But it'd be funny, if totaly out of place.

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I considered that...or maybe the partly-wrecked NOMAD probe for laughs.
Or the Aeon! That would be hilarious.

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