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Harry
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Phew! I have to take a little break from all the ugliness of the SFC ships [Smile]

First, here's a chart of several Constitution relatives. The date for the Surya was lifted directly from the Dixon timeline, the other dates were corrected by adding 27 years (accounting for the erronous 2218 launch date of the Constitution). I've not included the Larson and Loknar, basically because they're really ugly, and also because the Saladin invalidates the Larson (both Destroyers), and the Surya invalidates the Loknar (both Frigates). Notice the updated Federation, now with the custom FJ saucer.

The other thing I'd like to show you is a TOS-era Starbase design. It's still a work in progress, but it's getting there. I'll probably have to add some of those platforms around it's 'waist'.
As you can all see, FJ Type cargopods can be docked and (un)loaded from this Starbase. Although admittedly, there are no clear indications as to HOW exactly you're supposed to load these containers.

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AndrewR
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Does anyone remember/has anyone seen a wall chart of (If I remember correctly) the FASA ships? They were in shillouhettes and it was a brown and white poster. It went up to the Movie ships.

A friend's brother used to have it on his wall. Who knows where it is now.

Anyone seen scans of it on the web?

Andrew

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The FASA chart was black on blue and obviously conatined the FASA ships. You can see a small version at http://steve.pugh.net/fleet/images/fed_chart.jpg

You're probably thinking of the Federation Starship Recognition Chart which was published by Starstation Aurora, which basically means Todd Guenther of Ships of the Star Fleet fame, hence it contains many of his designs. Agan you can see a small version at http://steve.pugh.net/fleet/images/starship-recognition.jpg

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Harry
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A lot of ugly kitbashes. But some are interesting. What's that silhouette to the left of the Connie-refit on the first chart? It's labeled - Class VII(?) Assault Ship, whatever that means.

And what's the name of the class to the right of the Decatur and Belknap on the second chart? Something with a B. Is it similar to the Belknap?

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MinutiaeMan
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I like that chart, Harry! How did you decide on the different registry numbers? (Also, what was the original number of the Surya? I don't remember that one.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Harry:
What's that silhouette to the left of the Connie-refit on the first chart?

Makin class.
See http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/assaultship_makin.jpg
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http://www.sub-odeon.com/stsstcsmua/federation/makin.html

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It's labeled - Class VII(?) Assault Ship, whatever that means.
All ships in FASA's system had a Class designator that said how large they were. Class I was really small, through the Constitution at Class XI to the Excelsior at Class XIV. Assault ship basically (and obviously?) means Troop Transport.

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And what's the name of the class to the right of the Decatur and Belknap on the second chart? Something with a B. Is it similar to the Belknap?
Balson class Command Cruiser: http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/commandcruiser_balson.jpg
Most important for being the class that uses the NCC-2105 that's missing from the list of Federation class Dreadnoughts in the classic Technical Manual.

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quote:
Originally posted by MinutiaeMan:
Also, what was the original number of the Surya?

NCC-1850.

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I hate to be picky, but that Federation saucer STILL isn't right. The rim is still too thick and I can't see whether or not it's properly enlarged compared to the Connie's.

What's with the wierd registries on the other FJ ships?

-MMoM [Big Grin]

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Now I've answered every else's points, I can get back to the start...

Really nice chart.

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Originally posted by Harry:
I've not included the Larson and Loknar, basically because they're really ugly, and also because the Saladin invalidates the Larson (both Destroyers), and the Surya invalidates the Loknar (both Frigates).

Is there some rule that Starfleet only uses one type of Frigate at a time? [Wink] IMO the Loknar looks cool and being smaller than the Surya with the focus on forward firepower it makes an excellent fast strike ship to the more patrol orientated Suryas.

The Loknar is also important because it shows a continuation of the NX-01 configuration into the 23rd century, this is further continued by the Akyazi in the 2290s and the some unseen ships until the rear end gets flipped upside down to make the Akira.

The Larson is more problematic. It's larger than the Saladin, and has major design problems if it has TNG/ENT style warp core rather than TAS/Fandom style M/AM reactions in the nacelles. As a Heavy Destroyer it would appear less capable than the two nacelled Detroyat class, however it could be a specialised vessel (the long, low extension at the rear looks ideal for minelyaing equipment).

But each to their own. I think that even in teh 2260s Starfleet has room for a main design of Destroyers or Frigates and a number of less numerous, more specialised designs as well.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim:
What's with the wierd registries on the other FJ ships?

He's probably trying to give the ships a halfway-reasonable registry number so they can fit in the "modern" Trek universe, considering that the FJ numbers make absolutely NO sense, even if they stand on their own and the movie and TNG ships aren't taken into account!

It's implicit that FJ believed in some sort of chronological assignment of registry numbers, given that each class had its own block. But... given the nearly identical design elements in all five classes (well, four actually [Razz] ) I find it very illogical that the Saladin/Hermes would be that much older than the Constitution -- or for that matter, that the Ptolemy would be that much newer.

Identity Crisis, no matter how much I like some of the fandom ships, I will never treat the Larson as a "real" starship -- that thing is just plain ugly. It even gives those horrendous DS9 kitbashes a run for their money! (But again, to each their own. [Wink] )

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Harry
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The registries are supposed to fit in with the canon system. FJ's registries in particular don't make a lot of sense nowadays.

As an extra, here's also a full chart, with all my ships and the "correct" registries.

And as far as the Federation saucer goes, I thought it was pretty close. These are the original Tech Manual schematics, overlayed with my wireframe.

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Maybe I've just seen so many really bad ship designs that the Larson looks okay in comparison.
[Razz]

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There are some really bad ship designs out there, but I have not found any here. These designs are all very well represented. [Wink] Harry, you have done an awesome job here with these ships. I have always been a fan of the Federation Class Deadnought and it looks accurate to me. [Big Grin] Keep up the great work and I can not wait to see more ships being represented in the ways that you have done it. Cheers. [Big Grin]
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I've NEVER seen a single FASA design that I thought looked halfway decent. Ever. They all look horrid...
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Nothing wrong with the Loknar. [Razz]

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