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Does anyone has a clue to how fast is Hyperspace compared to Warp? I always assumed it was Warp 1 due to the fact thats its called "Lightspeed" but i could be wrong. Any canon on this?
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If by "canon" you mean the movies, then no. Nothing at all. In any way, shape, or form. Nothing. Aside from the fact that it would obviously have to be faster than warp one, otherwise (unless the SW galaxy is significantly different from ours) all the journeys would take years.
Going into fan thoughts and the expanded universe, it's considered anywhere from "roughly the same as warp" to "5 billion times faster. And a Star Destroyer would beat the Enterprise, here are some sums I did to prove it, I am right, nyah." Those are usually based on several lines in the films which seem to indicate that the ships are travelling all over the galaxy. But then they had lines in TOS that indicated the same thing, so in the end, it depends on whether you are obsessive about the length of the Defiant, or obsessive about the length of the Executor.
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Add to the confusion that Hyperspace seens MUCH slower in the original trilogy than in Ep II. I think Lucas revise Hyprspace a LOT (no suprise there) to make his stories flow better.
Near as I can tell: Original Trilogy- Hyperspace is based on how well your engine can manipulate it (kinda like Warp) and thus the Falcon is "the fastest hunk of junk" while a Star Destroyer is "fast" but nowhere near as fast. The Falcon can probably do something equivalent of warp 7 (damn fast!) but planets still take between days and weeks to arrive at (training time for luke, dontcha know ) Episode I-II: Even very small fighters like Obi-Wan's arrive at their destination almost immeadeately with no real time elapsing for either the pilots or the galaxy itself during the trip. (that's how Anikin and Amidalia got to Geonosis so damn quick) This means that Hyperspace is faster than Transwarp. It's also the only real way it can be a "Galactic" Empire.
Any way to look at it, Star Wars capital ships move like narcoleptic snails when manuvering in a system (not FTL)and Trek ships do not.
Apples and Oranges, in other words
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I thought, that when talking to Obi and Luke, Han mentioned that the Falcon did .5 over C on the Kessel Run, making for a small galaxy, but I guess that they could really be in a globular cluster far far away.....
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At the end of The Empire Strikes Back, they show the Falcon rendezvousing with the Rebel fleet way off the ecliptic of the galaxy. It must still be in the galaxy because Vader says "What of the reports of the Rebel fleet massing at Sollust?". Maybe Sollust is way off the ecliptic.
Anyway, Hyperspace has got to be faster then any warp factor to get there in what appeared to be a matter of days, maybe weeks at most. ROTJ takes place less then a year later so the travel times must be fairly short, since Lando needed time to set up shop in Jabba's Palace.
I would equate Hyperdrive speed with Transwarp or Quantum Slipstream rather then any conventional warp factor.
And when Han said "she'll do .5 past lightspeed", that doesn't nescessarily mean a percentage of the speed of light beyond c. He could mean 5 points beyond lightspeed on a Hyperspace scale. Maybe each point representing 10 / 100 / 1,000 times c or something?
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I think trying to establish speed in the Star Wars universe is like asking how do you make a coherent light beam jump out 3 feet and vanish.
Technically....shouldn't the light sabers have gone THROUGH each other rather than clanging?
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"The Falcon can probably do something equivalent of warp 7..."
It's got to be much faster than that to travel all the way from Tatooine (a world out on the Rim) to Alderaan (near the galactic core) in what seemed like a few hours.
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Where do you get your planet locations though? The RPG's? West End Games had a nifty explanation for hyperspace speeds in a Hyperspace multiplier: Lower numbers meant less time needed in hyperspace to reach a destination. For example, a SD had a x5 multiplier while the Falcon had a x2.
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quote:Originally posted by Cartman: It's got to be much faster than that to travel all the way from Tatooine (a world out on the Rim) to Alderaan (near the galactic core) in what seemed like a few hours.
Well.....the Enterprise in STV sure got to the galactic core quickly
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Think of SW hyperspace as being like Star Trek's transwarp conduits...
When they talk about the Falcon being fast, I had thought that it was normal-space fast. What would be the point of out-running something in hyperspace, when you can't see it
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Considering that they wanted to get to Alderaan fast, I was of the mind that Luke was asking about hyperspace travel.
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I don't think you can use Empire as any sort of basis of speed, since the Empire chased the Falcon from Hoth to Anoat. Unless you are suggesting that they chased the ship for weeks. Never mind the fact that the Falcon went from Hoth to Anoat to Bespin without the aid of a hyperdrive.
And regarding Han's comments about ".5 past lightspeed", I'd really take anything he was saying with a pinch of salt, considering the "Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs" comment. (And yes, I know the novelists and whatnot have gone to great lengths to explain that. But I prefer the simplest explanation - that he was bullshitting.) Even if we assume that he meant it could outrun cruisers in normal space, it doesn't put in too good a showing when chased by SD in ANH and Empire, does it?
quote:Originally posted by Bond, James Bond: At the end of The Empire Strikes Back, they show the Falcon rendezvousing with the Rebel fleet way off the ecliptic of the galaxy. It must still be in the galaxy because Vader says "What of the reports of the Rebel fleet massing at Sollust?". Maybe Sollust is way off the ecliptic.
How do we know that the Rebel Fleet was at Sollust at the end of Empire? They had ages to fly somewhere else. Never mind that the "fleet" consisted of one frigate, a handful of fighters, and some transports. A pretty piss poor fleet by any stretch of the imagination.
And I really, really, really hope you're not trying to explainthat galaxy model we see at the end of Empire. Because there's no way at all they could be THAT far out from the galaxy and still be seeing stars. Never mind the fact that the Falcon appears to fly behind the galaxy-like object.
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The galaxy was painted onto the window so that the occupants of the ship would always have a pretty view no matter where the ship was.
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quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: I don't think you can use Empire as any sort of basis of speed, since the Empire chased the Falcon from Hoth to Anoat. Unless you are suggesting that they chased the ship for weeks. Never mind the fact that the Falcon went from Hoth to Anoat to Bespin without the aid of a hyperdrive.
And regarding Han's comments about ".5 past lightspeed", I'd really take anything he was saying with a pinch of salt, considering the "Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs" comment. (And yes, I know the novelists and whatnot have gone to great lengths to explain that. But I prefer the simplest explanation - that he was bullshitting.) Even if we assume that he meant it could outrun cruisers in normal space, it doesn't put in too good a showing when chased by SD in ANH and Empire, does it?
quote:Originally posted by Bond, James Bond: At the end of The Empire Strikes Back, they show the Falcon rendezvousing with the Rebel fleet way off the ecliptic of the galaxy. It must still be in the galaxy because Vader says "What of the reports of the Rebel fleet massing at Sollust?". Maybe Sollust is way off the ecliptic.
How do we know that the Rebel Fleet was at Sollust at the end of Empire? They had ages to fly somewhere else. Never mind that the "fleet" consisted of one frigate, a handful of fighters, and some transports. A pretty piss poor fleet by any stretch of the imagination.
And I really, really, really hope you're not trying to explain that galaxy model we see at the end of Empire. Because there's no way at all they could be THAT far out from the galaxy and still be seeing stars. Never mind the fact that the Falcon appears to fly behind the galaxy-like object.
You gave 3 examples in this post alone stating how Lucas is an idiot in regards to interstellar travel yet somehow I'm in the wrong for claiming that he intended the big "galaxy model" (even you called it that) at the end of The Empire Strikes Back to actually be the galaxy?
Maybe, just maybe, he screwed the pooch on this one? Just a thought.
Maybe they aren't at Sollust since they did have plenty of time to go elsewhere, but I distinctly got the impression at the end of Empire that that is supposed to be the galaxy.
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quote:Originally posted by TSN: The galaxy was painted onto the window so that the occupants of the ship would always have a pretty view no matter where the ship was.
It's the Galactic Empire Parking Decal. The outrageous parking fees are what inspired the Rebellion in the first place, you know...
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