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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

So, there I am at TrekSunday, and I happen to casually mention that my clothes smell of smoke from where I've just been. Before going on, I may as well mention that these cigarettes weren't, ahem, your usual tobacco ones. However, the reaction I got was completely unexpected - and had nothing to do with what exactly was being smoked.

No, instead several people came close to vergally abusing me, claiming that they had lost all respect for me as someone who smokes.

But I never said I smoked. I don't. It was passive smoking in another person's home - my BROTHER'S home. This, however, only served to increase their venom. Why?

Because, you see, these holier-than-thou little sh*ts somehow manage to have social lives where no-one smokes. Maybe that's possible in North America where smoking in public is virtually illegal, but over here it's not so easy. People smoke. I can't stop them, but my friends at least know my feelings and try to be considerate. But cut off all contact with them, and never go anywhere where I'll be exposed? Impossible. First because I've never let others dictate my choice of friendships, and second because here in the UK most places still allow smoking. I've learnt to live with it, though I'm not happy with it.

So there you go. Become a monk, or follow the example of people who have on previous occasions complained at their lack of a social life. Sorry, but I know what my choice is.

Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :

Please...tell me you are joking...

What the hell are you guys thinking? *Shakes his head*.

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I drink therefore I am.

-Descartes

Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

Okay, for my involvement in this, I apologize. Whether it came out how I intended it or not, I'm sorry.

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"Audaces fortuna juvat."
"Fortune favours the bold."

Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

Congratulations, you have now descended into the first circle of hell. Don't worry, the first one's pretty okay, and I hear the 3rd one is actually fun!

Seriously ... That's just plain stupid. I had to give up smoking when I developed CFIDS, but i still hang out with my college friends who smoke. Why should I give up what little social life I can enjoy just because they smoke?! ... When did smoking become such a moral/social issue?! ... well anyway, everyone who smell's Jenny's smoke on me automatically chews me out, so I understand.

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If Galileo had lied to save his life, would America, or the West, or Space have been discovered?
And if Columbus had never set sail, would the Earth still be flat?

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

I'm quite pleased, my two 'smoking because their at uni and everyone else does it' friends have managed to not smoke recently. As a consciuos decision not to get addicted.

Yeah, its a pain, but what can you do...

That's tobacco BTW, My thoughts on cannabis are different, and not applicable or appropriate here...

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Posted by The Vorlon (Member # 52) on :

We (I) did not verbally abuse you. I said that I was surprised that you would smell like weed and that my opinion on you had altered slightly. I did not completely denounce you. If, however, you had EXPLAINED the situation, as you did here, I would then have understood. But instead, you got all mad, insulted us and stormed out.

Tobacco smoke is considered somewhat socially acceptable, but marijuana smoke is illegal, and drugs are on of my most hated things. Perhaps I did over-react, but so did you, you just showed up in the chat and said "Hey, I smell like hash!" So don't only blame us.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Okay, Lee shouldn't have sulked.

On the other hand, a drug thread should be taken to the flameboard.

Oh wait...

Gee Adam, Americans are SO bitter that they have to be 21 to drink, and have to take out their anger by saying that ALL drugs are bad.

On the other hand, before we start a drug thread, lets ask Sol or CC. Cause I can see it being another one of those threads where everyone has got their own opinions, and will not listen to anyone else despite how well siad the arguments are, and al that will happen is that we'll get name calling and I'll have to use my board with a nail in it on everyone. Or Opium, whatever I have to hand.

[This message was edited by PsyLiam on April 04, 1999.]

Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :

21?! Crikey...it's 16 here. Hell everything is 16 here.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

While I'd rather avoid the issue, some things have to be talked about.

First of all, what exactly does it matter if Lee smells like Otto's jacket? If the circumstances are important to you, ask. I realize some people are staunchly opposed to all drugs, and more power to them, but rejecting people isn't much of an answer. Of course, that's a bit of overreaction to the matter at hand. But we all know that things get a bit weird at TrekSunday. I think we should keep that in mind.

And now time for a related story. When my class took our senior trip to Disneyland, there was of course the inevitable booze party. Hooray, and all that. Unfortunately, I'm not much of a drinker, and I really wasn't in the mood to add a layer of vomit to my nice and fresh shirt. So we watched a movie. It ended up that a lot of people came by my room, safe in the knowledge that if there was anyone in the class totally unconnected from drunken partying, it would be me. The moral of the story is that I'm terminally boring and an evening with me is long and boring as well, including the movie Sphere, which we were watching. Not to mention how hard it was to get to sleep with people sitting on my legs.

Uh...too much? Anyway, the point is that you can't control what other people are going to do, so it's best just to put the pillow over your ears and kick a lot.

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Posted by The Vorlon (Member # 52) on :

Point #1: I am CANADIAN, not American.
Point #2: The legal drinking age in Canada is 19, not 21.
Point #3: This drug thread HAS been taken to the Flameboard, Liam... *gives Liam a strange look* =P
Point #4: All drugs ARE bad... Mmm'kay?

-- Kalesh Naranek, Last of the Vorlon
www.orc.ca/~jheinbuc/

Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

I'd like to thank Elim for seeing sense on this matter, however I shouldn't have expected any sort of apology from Adam. . .

First off, as I've already said the reaction I got had nothing to do with what was being smoked - it was the mere fact that I was (as they first thought) smoking at all, and then (when I corrected them) that I was so unhip as to hang around with people who smoked.

Now, on to marijuana. I utterly oppose the demonisation of this drug. It's harmless. It has a proven medical benefit that the anti-drug crusaders are happy to ignore. I know many people who use it - and yes, I have too - and none of them have gone on to use cocaine and heroin and crack as TPTB would have you believe is the natural progression from the use of any sort of drug.

The whole idea is patently absurd. When you consider how many drugs have been developed for valid medical purposes then hurriedly withdrawn when they were found to have other effects, like diet pills and Ecstasy (which, yes, CAN kill people if made improperly), it's incredible that a mildly narcotic herb that's far less harmful than tobacco can generate this amount of bile from people. Maybe if the hemp growers of the world were to band together and start instituting massive sports sponsorship (and paying revenues) then the anti-marijuana lobby would vanish very suddenly. . .

Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Adam: Canada is part of North America. :P

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Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

*takes Liam's face and points it gently in the direction of the TITLE OF THE FORUM*
*or in otherwords ... You are here -> Flameboard*

Yes the drinking age in America is 21. Now ask us when we actually START drinking (who said you can't get booze from outside sources? *Grin*)

Thirdly it seems there was some sort of misunderstanding between a group of you here, and I hope you work it out between you.

Fourthly, I'll go on the record as admitting that I have personally tried many of the known drugs out there. and THEY ARE NOT NICE. *ahem*

Do we have to turn this into some sort of twisted "Partnership for a Drug Free America" Type of thing? ... ACK say no, please!

The man only said he was in a room where weed was smoked.... he never said he smoked it himself. Which I personally want to award him on, since it's hard not to smoke it when everyone else is.

*looks at her post* where was I going with this?... Ahh.. well..... I guess i'm done.

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If Galileo had lied to save his life, would America, or the West, or Space have been discovered?
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Liam knew that this was in the Flameboard. I guess it just takes a while to get used to his humor...a long time...

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Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

Well for the record, I knew that Liam knew... but I guess it'll take YOU awhile to get used to MY sense of humour as well.... HMM?... *grin*

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If Galileo had lied to save his life, would America, or the West, or Space have been discovered?
And if Columbus had never set sail, would the Earth still be flat?

Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

He did? I was very confused as well...

Okay, paradoxes within paradoxes! Yikes!

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"Audaces fortuna juvat."
"Fortune favours the bold."

Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

Sol, you had a drunken bacchanal at your hotel and didn't invite me! Shame on you.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

*is convinced that no-ones taught Sol how to drink properly*

Of course, who you drink with is important. If they're twats, drink won't make it any more fun. On the other hand, drinking with mates can lead to much hilarity as you relate stories that occured last night, to everyone elses disbelief. Or something.

All the US guys come over to my house, and I'll show you a good time.

Er, that sounds funny.

BTW< to requote...

'On the other hand, a drug thread should be taken to the flameboard.

Oh wait...'

Yo usee the 'oh wait' part. That was the joke. Sorry for not putting a smiley in, but I thought it was obvious. I shall now get stoned.

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Posted by The Vorlon (Member # 52) on :

*apolgizes to Liam for the misunderstanding*

-- Kalesh Naranek, Last of the Vorlon
www.orc.ca/~jheinbuc/

Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

*repeats* "I knew that Liam knew" ....

Okay? .. *L* .. I was making fun anyways!

YEESH, people!

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If Galileo had lied to save his life, would America, or the West, or Space have been discovered?
And if Columbus had never set sail, would the Earth still be flat?

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

I knew that you knew that I knew.

Er, who am I again?

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Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :

Ok I'll ask not at what age Americans start drinking, cos that varies from person to person. I will ask what you drink.

Now do you drink that diluted water you all call beer? *g*

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Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

Since I was diagnosed, I don't drink ANYTHING....

BEFORE that .... I drank Vodka. Straight up. I also drank Whiskey, Scotch, and Rum. Wine occasionally. But mostly Vodka. I love that stuff.

The beer in America is nasty. I personally prefer the [insert edit here]darker[/edit] British brews myself.

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If Galileo had lied to save his life, would America, or the West, or Space have been discovered?
And if Columbus had never set sail, would the Earth still be flat?

[This message was edited by Jubilee McGann on April 07, 1999.]

Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

Daryus, I am a beer snob and I consider much of American beer to be swill, watered down water as it were. Unfortunatly I am very lonley in that opinion.

When it comes to American beer, there are some very well done Micro brews...Anchor Steam and Sierra Nevada both out of San Francisco come to mind.

However, fine as these may be, my particular tastes run toward the darker ales of the British sort. Indeed, one of my personal favorites is Newcastle Brown Ale (yummy). Bass also produces a fine brew. And Guinness is a stout that curls the toes and teases the taste buds. I was personally turned off by beer (American stuff) until a professor bought me a Bass Ale in our school pub (he in fact used to hold class on occasion in the pub, and believe me the stories got even better with each sucessive pint.)

I will pass on a little story about beer drinking in America however. We went to a German restaurant for a banquet once with all the professors of my department. This restaurant is owned by a nice German fellow who of course stocks some very fine German beer. Well, professors drink like there is no tomorrow, so going around the table the majority order the fine German stuff, till we get to the guy who shocks us all and orders a Bud. I wanted to throw a fork at him.

Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :

*writing from the other side of the globe*

I can sympathize with those in the UK, actually. I'm on vacation in Taiwan this week, and the people here smoke like crazy. No one in my family actually smokes, but the first thing I smelled when I got out of the airport was car exhaust and cigarrette smoke. It's especially bad when people smoke in the elevator and leave the smell after them.

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

*is impressed that Jay is wise in the ways of the Broon Ale*

Went to my favourite (local) Tex-Mex restaurant last night, discovered they didn't have a non-smoking area - and this is a place where food is eaten! What am I meant to do, there's nowhere else around here I can get Negra Modelo. . .

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Really Lee? How do you survive?

3 pints of Fosters...
then a random selection of Vodka/Red Bull
Southern Comfort/Coke
Jack Daniels/Coke
G & T
Tequilla
By that point, pretty much anything liquid.
Then Opium.

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

Well, American tastes in beer is really quite disappointing. To point a fact, there is a cool place just south of me called the Goathill Tavern. Well, the Goathill has like 140 or so beers on tap; some local micro brews, dozens of micro brews from all around the western states, and really good European beer.

So, care to guess what the most popular beer is?
Coors Light!

Life is too short to drink bad beer.

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

I drink Dr. Pepper. Straight up with ice. Sometimes Diet Dr. Pepper, too. I can easily plow through a six-pack in the course of a day.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

YES! Dr Pepper. The much maligned soft-drink.

You've got to try it to love it, ya see?

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Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :

One of the things some friends and I like to do is purchse the undilutde Ouzo and then do the brewing ourselves. The problem is that sometimes we tend to get overzealous and have a slightly too high ratio of the stuff. Result - people lying snoring on the couch much sooner than expected. (After the usual dancing about, picking fights and breaking the ocassional window when they mistake a reflection for the real thing).

But all in all, tends to be a great deal of fun.

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-Descartes

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

I'll let you all in on a little secret: someone in these very forums once offered me copious quantities of sex if I were give up Dr. Pepper. That was almost a year ago. I'm still trying to decide.

*pops open another can of the mighty Doctor P*

Posted by LOA (Member # 49) on :

Root Beer... gotta love the stuf! Mmmmm!

~LOA

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Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

Dr. Pepper is a much better and more erotic thing to throw at women you want to flirt with. I'll do almost anything for it. *grin*

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

*drools over thread*

*wants some Dr. Pepper, but takes his cranberry juice instead*

Sorry for the mess.

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"Audaces fortuna juvat."
"Fortune favours the bold."

Posted by The Excalibur (Member # 34) on :

For a Good time call PsyLiam at 555-5555(3 sir!).

I order Becks Dark, or Pete's Wicked Ale. I have friends who can brew, and brew well.

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Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

*dials the number kindly provided by Excalibur*

Liam: Liam's Naughty Trekker Erotic Phone Nooky Line. How can I pleasure you?

Me: Hi, what are you wearing?

Liam: I'm wearing Jubilee's underwear.

Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

*laughs and wonders, silently, how Liam got his hands on her underwear*
*but maybe she doesn't want to know*

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If Galileo had lied to save his life, would America, or the West, or Space have been discovered?
And if Columbus had never set sail, would the Earth still be flat?

Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

*gave them to Liam*

What does this Dr. Pepper muck actually taste like?

Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

Right.. and where did YOU get them from?

Don't answer that.

As for Dr.Pepper, it's hard to describe.. but I can tell you what's IN it if you want ... though you may not want to know.

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If Galileo had lied to save his life, would America, or the West, or Space have been discovered?
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Posted by Charles Capps (Member # 9) on :

*enjoys mixing Coca-Cola Classic and Diet Coke...*

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

*once tried adding sugar to Diet Coke to make it taste better. Won't try THAT again*

Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

ROFL! I tried that too once, just to see what would happen...it was not a good idea.

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Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

When my blood sugar level gets low at a restaurant, I HAVE to add sugar to my diet coke.. it's NASTY! *ick, ick, ick!*

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If Galileo had lied to save his life, would America, or the West, or Space have been discovered?
And if Columbus had never set sail, would the Earth still be flat?

Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

Dr. Pepper tastes like a sugared cherry-ish/cola-ish drink... sort of. Some claim it to actually be medicine... in flavour, not nutritionally.

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"Audaces fortuna juvat."
"Fortune favours the bold."

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

It is the magic elixir of the gods!

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Where the hell did that come from?

Saying that, let's at least be accurate. I live in the UK. the number is 0845 500 600. Calls cost 50p a minute on penticost, and �97 a minute at all other times.

Lee, come on, how har dis it to walk down to the newsagents and buy some Dr Pepper?

BTW Siedfried, that offers still open. But only for another 48 hours. You must deciede, and deceide soon.

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Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

*reads Liam's post*
Looks like someone was typing while completely pissed again!

Actually, if you want to hear the gods' honest truth about Dr. Pepper....

IT'S MADE OF PRUNE JUICE!

I shit you not.

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If Galileo had lied to save his life, would America, or the West, or Space have been discovered?
And if Columbus had never set sail, would the Earth still be flat?

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

Prune Juice! It's a warrior's drink! Ha Ha!

Liam, I can't recall what offer you're talking about, but, hey, I accept! Did I just myself into serious trouble with that one?

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Cecil Adams says that isn't true. About Dr. Pepper, that is. Urban legend.

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Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

Siegried: You have just agreed to give Liam copious amounts of sex in exchange for Dr. Pepper.
And damnitt, I thought _I_ was the one who had a deal with you?!

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Or Wonder, till it drives you mad...
What would have happened if you HAD.

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Lee: Slightly sweeter more cherry-ish version of Coke. Has a nice fruity aftertase.. good body, and an amzing vapour, though not as aromatic as a 58 Chardonnay. Good with chicken or other white meats....

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Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

I just did WHAT!? I have to give Liam WHAT for Dr. Pepper!? What deal did I have with you!? What the heck is going on here!? Where is my Magic 8 Ball!? Why do I like ending all my questions with "!?"!?

Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :

I must have missed a lot here, but I will say this: I don't smoke (I'm allergic to something in the Tobacco smoke), I don't drink coffee or Coke (I have a severe Caffeine sensitivity), and I don't drink any alcoholic beverages (they all taste awful, and the only one I really had was a glass of champagne diluted in Sprite).

I must be really boring, am I?

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Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :

There's an urban legend about Dr. Pepper?

Tahna: I don't drink either . It's not boring; it's admirable.

Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :

Does Dr. Pepper contain prune juice? no!
Does Dr. Pepper contain anti-freeze no!

Dr. Pepper clones:
http://www.stat.ncsu.edu/~bmasmith/drpepper.html

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

Tahna Los: Not boring, but you might try adding some cranberry juice to your diet.

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"Audaces fortuna juvat."
"Fortune favours the bold."

Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

Well, see, honey ... The deal with me was to see wether or not I could provide you with more unbridled pleasure than a can of Dr Pepper. But since you are now giving Liam copious amounts of sex, I guess you like him better. *pouts* ...

*goes over to her corner to sulk*

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Ring this little golden bell
And see what changes with it's knell
Or Wonder, till it drives you mad...
What would have happened if you HAD.

[This message was edited by Jubilee McGann on April 11, 1999.]

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

*reads all the posts by Liam and Jubilee*

Okay, I'm very confused now! I come in here and talk to Liam over his Phone Nooky Line for three seconds and this stuff happens!? I have to give Liam a ton of sex for Dr. Pepper? Jubilee was gonna give me unbridled pleasure for me to give up Dr. Pepper?

Okay, this is what's going to happen. I'm sticking to Dr. Pepper. Liam, be at my house at 7:30 tonight. Wear something pink with feathers. Jubilee, be at my house at 7:20. Wear something blue in leather. We're gonna have a Dr. Pepper party that's gonna rock the century.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

7: 30 GMT?

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Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

Sure, Liam. 7:30 GMT.

Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

I don't own anything blue that's leather. I have black leather underwear, but MaGiC still has it. ... how about blue silk? does that work? .. I have a nice royal blue silk robe that's pretty skimpy .....

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Ring this little golden bell
And see what changes with it's knell
Or Wonder, till it drives you mad...
What would have happened if you HAD.

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

Hmm, blue is my favorite color.

Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

*favorite colours are blue and purple* Hmmm.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Damn, someone's stolen my kinky underwear. Has Tim struck again?

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