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Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :

Inheriting the family's alcoholisim are we? LOL I'm sorry. I can't help my self. I plan on changing the word 'Member' under MIB to 'Pissing people off sense 1985!'

[ May 31, 2001: Message edited by: MIB ]

Posted by Jay (Member # 19) on :

I was wondering when this was going to show up. Really this is not something worth too much discussion on the face of it. Let the parents deal with the kids...and goodness hope that they don't follow daddy's alleged early lifestyle.

I hope that this doesn't devolve into any looking like preferential treatment for the darlings though.

[ May 31, 2001: Message edited by: Jay ]

Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :

hehe. There really isn't much to say about this. hmmm. oh well. Back to my usual routine of digging up ammo with which I can use to rip on G.W.

[ May 31, 2001: Message edited by: MIB ]

Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :

Oh man, I have to say this:

WHO CARES!!

Don't tell me that you've never partied out with friends and sipping beers and possibly hammered when you're underage?

HELLO!! THIS ONLY HAPPEN EVERYTIME IN YOUR BUDDY'S PARTY DURING HIGH SCHOOL!

And come on, don't tell me that none of your friends never used a *faked* id from his bro to get beers or get into a pub.

This only became a big new cuz her dada da President.

Presonally, I think this is just a media frenzy, or attack from opposition.

[ May 31, 2001: Message edited by: BlueElectron ]

Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :

And man, check out the "smoke pit" of your high school, and tell me just how many of those smokers are over the legal age to buy smokes.

And just how many of these kids are caught and put on TV?

I'm not saying it's right, but man, it ain't that big a deal.

If I want to attack the dude, I'd be smarter and attack his policies, not his family matters.

[ May 31, 2001: Message edited by: BlueElectron ]

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

"Don't tell me that you've never partied out with friends and sipping beers and possibly hammered when you're underage?"

Much as I hate to disobey a direct order, I'm going to tell you: I haven't.

Posted by Jay (Member # 19) on :

Nor did I.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I've done a lot of hammering, but I plead ignorance, as I was not aware that there was a minimum age law in effect. I think they should require hardware stores to put some kind of warning label on the hammers if this is the case.

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

*cough* Legal-Drinking-age-of-21-is-ridiculous

I mean, people under the age of 21 can carry a concealed handgun in Texas, can purchase cancer sticks, but aren't trusted with the evil bottle?

What else can we expect from a state where sex toys are illegal?

Posted by Orion Syndicate (Member # 25) on :

OH MY GOD, SHE HAD A DRINK! WHAT KIND OF FUCKING EVIL BITCH IS SHE?

[ June 01, 2001: Message edited by: Orion Syndicate ]

Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :

quote:
Originally posted by BlueElectron:
Oh man, I have to say this:
WHO CARES!!
Don't tell me that you've never partied out with friends and sipping beers and possibly hammered when you're underage?
HELLO!! THIS ONLY HAPPEN EVERYTIME IN YOUR BUDDY'S PARTY DURING HIGH SCHOOL!
And come on, don't tell me that none of your friends never used a *faked* id from his bro to get beers or get into a pub.
[ May 31, 2001: Message edited by: BlueElectron ]

Actually no. I never got hammered in a bar. And no. I never used a fake ID to obtain alcohol illegaly nor did any of my friends as far as I know. Beer, whiskey, and liquor tastes like shit to me anyways.....

Sorry. I know you tried. But I guess I'm just one of those goodie two shoes!

I have a question. Why is anyyone even responding to this post? I mean. I made a bad joke about the whole thing and that was it. Why the hell are some of you getting so pissed?

[ June 01, 2001: Message edited by: MIB ]

Posted by Tahna Los (Member # 33) on :

Frankly, it is because you brought it up in the first place. As much as many of us may dislike the current president, we know damn well when we say that the current media exposure to this current brouhaha is simply quite ludicrous. And we know damn well to simply ignore the articles and say "Let the President deal with his PRIVATE situation".

The Media is looking like the Paparazzi by covering this story from head to toe.

Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :

Oh. PLEASE forgive me. I will never make a joke again! I relize now that making a joke is EXTREMELY evil and I will never do it again! Thank you for showing me the light!!!!

[ June 01, 2001: Message edited by: MIB ]

Posted by Jeff Kardde (Member # 411) on :

This is none of our business. But it certainly shows a lack of respect for their father when the girls do this.

However ... when the girls send the Secret Service to get their boyfriends out of jail, that is the public's business.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

"OH MY GOD, SHE HAD A DRINK! WHAT KIND OF FUCKING EVIL BITCH IS SHE?"

The drunk, criminal kind, apparently.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

"And come on, don't tell me that none of your friends never used a *faked* id from his bro to get beers or get into a pub."

BlueElectron: You're asking a bunch of yanks. If you'd added "anyone from a non US-constitutioned country" to that sentence, then everyone would have agreed.

Considering that alcohol is illegal under the age of 21 in the US and, er, the moon (possibly), what do you expect?

As a side note, Tony Blair's son, Euan, was found drunk in Trafalgur Square a few months ago. The police picked him up. He's 16. BURN HIM!

(The country, by and large, found it fairly amusing. So did Tony. Americans are probably disgusted.)

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Interesting outlook he has... "My son is a drunk! Hahaha! The humor!"

Posted by Eclipse (Member # 472) on :

Yes, and now he's deputy head boy at his school. O tempora! O mores!

Posted by Isn't Infinity *G* (Member # 531) on :

I'm almost 16, the first time I had beer I was 7. The first time I had some of the "good stuff" I was 13. It is nothing 'evil' It's just a drink, and if you don't go driving after that then it's ok.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

"Just a drink" is something that stops you being thirsty. Not something that stops functionality of your brain. That's like classifying smoking crack as "just an inhalation".

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Yeah, but temporarily stopping functionality (well, more like reducing functionality) of one's brain in certain social situations is a time-honored practice that can be enjoyable so long as the entire thing is handled responsibly.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

But responsibility starts flying out the window as the brain disengages.

Posted by Orion Syndicate (Member # 25) on :

But people survive and they have a good time to boot. It's a social thing.

Posted by Isn't Infinity *G* (Member # 531) on :

Beer-- Getting ugly people laid since (insert a year here

)

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Yes, brainlessness is a social thing. Hence, my disdain for society in general...

Posted by Jeff Kardde (Member # 411) on :

I have that bumper-sticker, Infinity.

Posted by Isn't Infinity *G* (Member # 531) on :

I've seen it in stores quite a few times, and when I get a bumper, I'll definitely put it on.
(well I will be getting a car along with the bumper, not just a bumper

)

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Clues that Americans are mad, and have no sense of taste or humour:

a/ They think that people who drink are being irresponsible and very, very naughty.

b/ They find bumper stickers amusing.

Posted by Orion Syndicate (Member # 25) on :

Which is why I constantly thank whatever deity exists up there every day that my parents chose to immigrate to Britain rather than the across the pond because the thought of me being like that....*shudders*

Posted by Nimrod (Member # 205) on :

The_Tom, did you say sex toys were illegal in the US? To what extent?

Posted by Orion Syndicate (Member # 25) on :

Probably to the extent that if you use them, you'll be condemned to everlasting damnation.

FOR YOUR GRATIUITOUS USE OF SEX TOYS, YOU WILL DIE AND YOUR SOUL EXPOSED TO EVERLASTING TORTURE! THE ONLY PURE WAY OF SPICING UP YOUR SEX LIFE WOULD BE TO UTILISE ME AND THEREBY SAFEGUARD YOUR PASSAGE TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD!

Posted by Jubilee McGann (Member # 99) on :

*dons her flame-retardent underwear*

A few comments.

Sex toys aren't illegal in the entire US, only in certain states, like Texas, which explains the fake, screwed-on smile of the First Lady.

Secondly, Jay mentioned that he hoped the girls weren't taking up GW's early habits, to which I respond: Drunk driving at 30 is not an early habit, it's called stupid irresponsibility.

MIB: I don't mind that you posted this thread.

Blue Electron: As a teenager, I never once drank illegally, I never went out and partied with my friends, I've never even seen a fake ID, and while I did smoke it was at the ripe age of 19. I think this is a case where we see that the typical teenage stereotypes do not always apply. Since I grew up in a very strict christian household, I learned how to have fun without doing illegal things, and I guess I picked up the morals that say "Illegal things=something you don't do". Since GW is the poster spokesperson for a Christian America, perhaps his daughters need to pick up some better morals?

Third and finally, I would like to say that as the First Family, they should all realize that the media is going to be stuck to their asses the entire time GW is in office, and if it were me I'd be making sure NOT to do something that put me in the limelight. Yes, it's their private business. But since we all know the media is not going to let it stay private, they should have F'ing known better.

*end rant*

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Humor.

Posted by Jeff Kardde (Member # 411) on :

And since the media stayed rather "hush-hush" on the girls first few brushes with the law in this regard, it's not like they haven't had a chance to cool it a bit.

Newsweek published a picture of Jenna's fake Baltimore ID. MY DEAR GOD, that looks nothing like a Maryland driver's license.

Posted by MasterMind (Member # 607) on :

quote:
I mean, people under the age of 21 can carry a concealed handgun in Texas, can purchase cancer sticks, but aren't trusted with the evil bottle?

When your 18 you can die for your country but not drink?
"Kid, your drafted"
"But sir, i cant drink beer untill i'm 21"
"Come on, in the truck"
"No. Not untill i can drink"

Fucking stupid.

And, sex toys are illegal in texas? Well, bush is a goody goody anyways.

Posted by Isn't Infinity *G* (Member # 531) on :

I ain't dying for a country that doesn't let me drink!

Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :

Man, I still have to say this:

BEER AIN'T THAT BIG A DEAL!!

Hell, I've had a few during family BBQ at the age of 16.

And you're not suppose to have sex until the age of 18 either, but guess what, the last time I checked, more then 85% of North American lost their virginity BEFORE the age of 18. (I read it on McClain or Time or something...)

Now, if the media's having a fit with illegal drugs, then that's different.

It's just the "cool" thing to do at that age, yes, it maybe pretty stupid through our eyes when we're that much older, but the fact remain:

IT'S STUPID, BUT NOT THE END OF THE WORLD!

And certainly not worthy of the amount of attention given by the media.

Man, for a country of freedom, you guys sure are pretty frigid. I mean 21? What the FU*K is with that?

Trust people under 21 behind the wheel of a car, or carrying out war on battlefield, but no BEER??!!

While kids are shooting peps on the street and in school?

iiiiish, talk about getting the priority straight!

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Actually, according to the U.S. Code, the legal age of sexual consent in this country is sixteen. Unless I'm misunderstanding something, not being a law expert myself...

Posted by Nimrod (Member # 205) on :

In Sweden, legal age for sex is 15, training for driver's license is 16+9months (you won't get it 'til 18), voting is 18, drinking alcohol is 18, purchasing alcohol is 20.

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Well, it's better to screw than drink, anyway.

Posted by Jeff Kardde (Member # 411) on :

There's no uniform "age of consent" across the U.S. -- it varies from state to state. On the other hand, there IS a uniform drinking age across the US.

Besides, the only time you'd catch the government prosecuting someone for having sex, is if he or she was sleeping with someone under the age of consent -- in other words, statatory rape.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

The federal age of consent is 16. I'm sure individual states have their own laws, but, as I said, the U.S. Code makes it 16.

Posted by TLE (Member # 280) on :

"Don't tell me that you've never partied out with friends and sipping beers and possibly hammered when you're underage?"

Not all of us get off on doing things illegally or getting drunk cause we can. Doesn't mean we don't, it's just we're not like certain other places that think you have to go get blasted to have fun. We can get blasted in addition to other things.

Also in the military, you only have to be 18 to drink, at least the Army Branch is this way so I imagine the others are as well.

Plus the only state with an age-18 drinking law is Louisana, which got shit from the US gov for it but they won't budge.

On the subject itself, she should've known better if only for the fact the media would pick up on it faster than flies to cow shit.

Posted by Daryus Aden (Member # 12) on :

Eh, legal, Illegal. Moral, immoral. All depends on your own judgement. As in the final analysis you have to choose. Don't drink if you don't want to, for health reasons, or whatever. But please don't pull some bullshite about morality.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

But if we take away the US's right to be self-rightious about drinking (it's bad), and about guns (they're good), then we are taking away one of the cornerstones of their civilisation. Such as it is.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Erm... I think the difference between legal and illegal does not come down to one's personal opinion. If that were true, no-one could ever commit a crime, because they'd be of the opinion that it was legal...

"But if we take away the US's right to be self-rightious about drinking (it's bad)..."

I've been meaning to ask... Where do you come up w/ this stuff? You think people in the US don't drink? I'd guess about 99% of the population would prove you wrong on that one...

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

One solution.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Of course Americans drink. They just don't drink correctly. Someone here once pointed out that the majority of people in the US do their drinking with a bottle of bud, in front of the TV, often alone; whereas the majority of the people in the UK do their drinking with pints, in social situations.

I actually didn't say that Americans don't drink. I said that they view it as bad. They are made to feel guilty for drinking.

And if it's not viewed as "wrong", why did they make such a big deal about Bush's daughter?

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Because she was committing a crime. Not by drinking, but by doing it underage. Americans don't think driving a car is "wrong", but they'd make a big deal if the president's fourteen-year-old kid went for a joy-ride...

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

"Because she was committing a crime. Not by drinking, but by doing it underage. Americans don't think driving a car is "wrong", but they'd make a big deal if the president's fourteen-year-old kid went for a joy-ride..."

Would they make a big deal out of it if their 14 year old daughter watched an R-rated film (if that is equivelent of a "15" certificate. I'm not sure).

Posted by Daryus Aden (Member # 12) on :

TSN, on your reply to a matter of opinion & law. You'll note that if a person thinks a law is bullshit, they'll ignore it.

Posted by Jeff Kardde (Member # 411) on :

Actually, the vast majority of Americans have had drinks under the age of 21. The vast majority aren't willing to throw stones at the Bush girls for something they've also done. The reason people are making a big deal about the drinking ISN'T that they think it's wrong ...

It's that Daddy Dubya made a huge deal about bringing "ethics" and "morality" back to the White House. And ... guess what? Maybe he needs to go and bring "ethics" and "morality" to his own family before he starts preaching about what everybody else should be doing.

And, I don't mean to say that underage drinking is immoral ... just that Dubya thinks it is. Actually, because of a bill he passed in Texas when he was Govn'r, if Jenna gets caught drinkin' again, she's going to do some jail time. Assuming Daddy dearest doesn't bail her out.

Which, by the way, Daddy Dearest dare not do. Simply because, he and his supporters would have absolutely no way to defend his obviously hippocritical actions.

But that's beside the point. Essentially, Jenna and Barbara are being punished for being the daughters of the President of the United States of America. Fair? Absolutely not. But, hey, they asked George not to run for office. And if George didn't know that being POTUS would put his family in the public eye, he's stupider then I thought (and that's pretty damn stupid).

[ June 12, 2001: Message edited by: Jeff Kardde ]

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

"Would they make a big deal out of it if their 14 year old daughter watched an R-rated film (if that is equivelent of a '15' certificate. I'm not sure)."

Actually, the age for R movies is 17. And I think someone under seventeen can see it if someone over 17 is w/ them. And, of course, that only applies to theaters. If they watch it on video at home, who's to care?

So, basically, the only problem would be if they snuck into a theater to see it. And, honestly, I'm not sure whether that's illegal, or just against theater rules.

"TSN, on your reply to a matter of opinion & law. You'll note that if a person thinks a law is bullshit, they'll ignore it."

And they'll get arrested for it. You can have an opinion on whether or not something should be illegal, but, if it's illegal, it's illegal, no matter what you think.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

"TSN, on your reply to a matter of opinion & law. You'll note that if a person thinks a law is bullshit, they'll ignore it."

"And they'll get arrested for it."

Oh yes. People get arrested for every law they break.

I don't think that anyone has actually been arrested for jaywalking in the UK in about, ooh, a billion years. Most people don't even know what it is.

"Actually, the age for R movies is 17. And I think someone under seventeen can see it if someone over 17 is w/ them. And, of course, that only applies to theaters. If they watch it on video at home, who's to care?"

There parents? If the film is deemed unsuitable for under 17 year olds, then there parents might take the radical view that it's unsuitable for 17 year olds.

Okay, imagine that the law was the same as in this country. Over here, it's illegal for someone under 18 to watch an 18-certificate film, at home or in the cinema. Likewist under-15 for 15-certificates, and under-12s for 12 certificate.

Now, if you found out that, say, your 11 year old son had watched Batman, or First Contact (12s), or your 14 year old daughter had watched The Wrath of Kahn (bizairly, a 15), would you care? Would you do anything about it? Would you report them? Or punish them?

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

If your little kid watched a movie you find objectionable, it's YOUR STUPID FAULT for RENTING IT!!!

Or for being dumb enough to give him your membership card unsupervised.

GOD, people, GROW UP AND BE PARENTS!!!

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

It's illegal for someone to watch a movie if they're under the age some arbitrary group assigned to it? Wow... And I thought the US was hung up on censorship...!

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Nah, the UK's far worse than the US in some areas of censorship. The Simpsons used to be quite badly censored when it went out at 7 (never consistently though. And Sky and the BBC would often censor it differently. Hell, Sky would censor different episodes differently. Sometimes "ass" and "crap" would be cut out, sometimes not.). Strangely though, about a year ago, repeats were no longer cut. I think that Sky must have gotten a new load of master tapes, and deceided that we can now stand hearing the word "half-assed" at 7 o clock.

It's illegal, but I think it still works the same as the US system. No-ones going to arrest you for allowing a 14 year old to watch the South Park movie (15-certificate). It does stop annoying little shits from getting into the cimema though. Sometimes. And it does force the parents into buying the tape for their kids themselves, so they can check it out better.

Or the kid can borrow it from a mate. Ho hum.

As a rule, the UK is more sensitive to violence than the US, and less sensitive about swearing, especially the lighter swear-words (despite the Simpsons example above, which is pretty much the exception, crap, damn and bitch are thrown around faily easily). I myself, when watching Dragon Ball Z with my 5 year old nephew, occassionally wince, thinking that this might be a bit much for him. He hasn't tried to kill anyone at his school with a Kamehamaha energy blast though, so I think he'll turn out okay.

I did wonder what was going through his mind though, when we were watching the Powerpuff Girls Best Rainy Day Adventure Ever, and Blossom pretended to be Ms Bellum. What did he think she was doing with those stuffed toys? Tsk. In my day, cartoon women barely had parts.

Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

I didn't read the whole thread (much too long), but this Bush fake ID thing is clearly hereditary: http://www.time.com/time/personal/article/0,9171,1101010702-152647,00.html

Posted by Jeff The Card (Member # 411) on :

Interesting article.

Isn't it amazing how a guy who drives drunk and gives fake I.D.s to all his buddies passes a law making underage drinking punishable by jail time? Gee, George, try not to be TOO much of a hipocrite.

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

I found the article interesting, too. Not for the potentially hypocritical aspect, though. I found it interesting that the best nickname that GW Bush could come up with is "Tweeds." I mean, come on already! The nicknames that my tormentor hurled at me in junior high school were better than that! Tweeds? Sheesh!

Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :

Speaking of which, i just signed up for selective service.... hehe forgot to when I turned 18.

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

How long did you get away with not being registered for the selective service? When I turned 18, I got two letters in the mail and a phone telling me to register! Of course, I had all branches of the military trying to get me to enlist instead of going to college. I probably would have if I wasn't so sure that I'd flunk the physical.

Posted by Jeff The Card (Member # 411) on :

Judge suspends Jenna Bush's license, fines her $600

Jenna Bush's license was suspended for 30 days

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- A judge on Friday ordered President Bush's daughter Jenna to pay $600 in fines for violating underage drinking laws.

Community Court Judge Elisabeth Earle also suspended Jenna's driver's license for 30 days and ordered her to perform 36 hours of community service.

Jenna Bush, 19, was not present at Friday's court appearance. Her attorney Bill Allison entered a plea for her of no contest to a charge of trying to use someone else's identification to buy alcohol at a restaurant. She had previously pleaded innocent.

For that citation, she was ordered to pay a $100 fine and perform the 36 hours of community service. Because it was her second offense, Earle ordered Jenna to pay an additional $500 in fines.

Her twin sister, Barbara, last month pleaded no contest to underage possession of alcohol stemming from the same visit May 29 to a popular Mexican restaurant.

Just two weeks before that incident, Jenna Bush pleaded no contest to separate underage drinking charges. She was ordered to take alcohol counseling and perform community service.

Earle will submit information on her case to the Department of Public Safety for the license suspension, which will take effect July 18.

Allison said his client was out of town. Community and municipal courts allow an attorney to appear on behalf of the defendant.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Could someone clarify what a plea of "no contest" actually means?

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

quote:
NO CONTEST PLEA
... also known as a nolo contendere plea ... A plea in which the facts supporting the crime's elements come from a source other than the defendant's own words in court (generally, from police investigation reports, witnesses statements, photographs, etc.). A "nolo" plea is used when the defendant cannot recall his criminal actions (sometimes due to intoxication), or his verbal plea from a traditional guilty plea would be used in a potential civil law suit. Regardless, the defendant is treated by a sentencing judge the same as if he was convicted via a guilty plea or trial verdict.