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Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
 
This is really happening. He is an inhuman poilitcal machine who absolutely will not stop until he is our governor. I want to know if there is anything that any of the other candidate could possibly do to prevent this or if anyone thinks that anyone other than Arnie stands even a remote chance.
 

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Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
 
"Hasta La Vista, Gray Davis!"

He will win. He will win and there is nothing you can do. He will win and there is nothing you can do, though you will be prepared for alien hunters.
 

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Posted by leuckinc (Member # 729) on :
 
Hey I will vote for him!
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 

"Arnold architected the ballot measure and led the successful campaign to get [Proposition 49] passed by the voters last year."

"Architected"?
 

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Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :
 
Listen! And understand! That bodybuilder is out there! It can't be bargained with! It can't be reasoned with! It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear... and it absolutely will not stop, ever, until it is president!
 

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Which he can't legally be.

Anyway, isn't Arnie a Republican who believes in gay adoptions and better social services? And isn't that cracker ass cracker crazy?
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
It is difficult, if one is within the mainstream of the Republican party, to seperate out the various threads of conservativism from ones individual platform. It verges on political suicide to attempt it, since what we might consider more "fringe" elements make up a significant (and in many cases necessary for election) voting bloc.

However, Schwar...uh, the candidate in question is about as far from mainstream as one can get, and is more free than many to pick and choose his own political way.

Having said that, I don't know what he thinks about issues beyond the so-vague-as-to-be-useless soundbites one gets on, say, Leno. Not being from California I am exercising my right to remain completely in the dark about the entire affair.

AND...last I heard, Arnold was in fact in third place in the polls, and I do not think his victory is a sure thing.
 

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
And to show that I have my priorities in order, I have to ask...if he is elected, would he still be able to make T4?
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
I can't imagine that he would have the time. (And considering that anyone elected would be elected, at least in theory, on the basis that they would be fantastically busy fixing the state, it would not seem wise to take the time even if one was not in fact particularlly busy.)

As far as the legality of holding down an outside job goes, consider the following from Article 5 of the California State Constitution:

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SEC. 14. (a) To eliminate any appearance of a conflict with the proper discharge of his or her duties and responsibilities, no state officer may knowingly receive any salary, wages, commissions, or other similar earned income from a lobbyist or lobbying firm, as defined by the Political Reform Act of 1974, or from a person who, during the previous 12 months, has been under a contract with the state agency under the jurisdiction of the state officer. The Legislature shall enact laws that define earned income. However, earned income does not include any community property interest in the income of a spouse. Any state officer who knowingly receives any salary, wages, commissions, or other similar earned income from a
lobbyist employer, as defined by the Political Reform Act of 1974, may not, for a period of one year following its receipt, vote upon or make, participate in making, or in any way attempt to use his or her official position to influence an action or decision before the agency for which the state officer serves, other than an action or
decision involving a bill described in subdivision (c) of Section 12 of Article IV, which he or she knows, or has reason to know, would have a direct and significant financial impact on the lobbyist employer and would not impact the public generally or a significant
segment of the public in a similar manner. As used in this subdivision, "public generally" includes an industry, trade, or profession.

(b) No state officer may accept any honorarium. The Legislature shall enact laws that implement this subdivision.

(c) The Legislature shall enact laws that ban or strictly limit the acceptance of a gift by a state officer from any source if the acceptance of the gift might create a conflict of interest.

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Originally posted by AndrewR:
I heard Gary Coleman is also running for election! LOL!

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Originally posted by TSN:
Wouldn't he just become "White Davis"?

And if Gary Coleman's campaign involves, at any time, the phrase "What you talkin' 'bout, Davis?", I say we send the whole place careening into the Pacific.

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Tactical nuke in the San Andras fault....messy but do-able.

I think Arnold will win.
He'll suck on ice (as he knows shit about politics)but the people will love him anyway for his charisma.
Scary that the spokesman for the least fuel-efficent vehicle on the road will run the state with the most environmentsl concerns, is'nt it?

Still, it should be fun to watch him bluster on imporntant national decisions (his viewpoint on military actions alone will be pricelessly funny.
Get ready for non-stop catchphrases once he wins.

Mabye Micheal Beihn could run against him, he's die in the process, but Arnold would be crushed in some metal press contaption or something...
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
1.) California does not have an appreciably greater number of environmental problems than any other state. Alaska is melting, for instance.

2.) It is rather unlikely the governor of California will have much at all to say about national policies which do not reflect his or her state, beyond the vague reinforcement of party affiliations that all politicians engage in. (Those with party affiliations, anyway.)

3.) It appears more recent polls do indeed place Mr. Schwarzenegger at the front of the pack.
 

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Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
 
Considering I watched Arnold make the announcement at the NBC studio... I'd say he does have a sure chance on winning. He has the name recognition, the cash, and California economy in the crapper to help him win.

But, what does it mean to gay rights when he's elected, or public health and social programs... I don't know. He is a Republican but married to a Kennedy... I'll just wait and see what happens.
 

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Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
 
I think we should take all the declared candidates and lock 'em up in the state mental hospital. Considering how badly things are screwed up out here, anybody who actually wants the job has got to be certifiable!
 

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
He apparently believes in gay adoption and more money for social services. I had an article. But I lost it. However, no-one ever reads those things anyway, so let's just pretend that I linked to it, m'kay?
 

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Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
 
I kinda figured he supports gay right because he has worked in Hollywood for years... the social programs are something not new also since he pushed a ballot measure a few years ago to fund afterschool programs.

Hopefully he can figure out how to navigate between Republican and Demorcrat waters.
 

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
 
When I'm not in the middle of the Gulf I live in California. Although my residence is still listed as South Carolina. If I changed it to Cali and were actually there I would vote for him. Can't be any worse than Jesse Ventura.
 

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
 
Fortunately, or unfortunately (depending on one's point of veiw), Arnold won't win. Republicans make up about 40% of California's population, and they'll pretty much be split three ways between the three Republican candidates. Arnie's way too liberal for most of them.

Gary Coleman is only running because the town he lives in essentially put him up to it.

My money's on Bustamente.

--Jonah
 

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Posted by ZARDOZ (Member # 1064) on :
 
So.... If Arnie is only winning because of name recognition, if he were not in the race who would be the front-runner?

Gary Coleman? Angeline? Wacky prop comic Gallager?

Actually, from seeing his shows on TV, I may have a better idea of Gallager's platform than any of the other candidates!

As a moderate member of the vast right wing conspiracy, (VRWC) I'm afraid the while I like Arnie, and most of his proposed policies, a couple of his positions are a little too left of center for me. I guess if I lived in California I'd just run myself!
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Lieutenant Governor Rob Lowe.
 

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
Georgy Russell?
 

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Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
 
Vulgar.
 

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Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
 
Well, that was 26 years ago. B)
 

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Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
 
He's getting my vote. Seriously.
 

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Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
 
Hooray for us. I may move to New Zealand or London.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Well...he won.


Now we'll be hearing lots of catchphrases from his movies used against him.
 

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
"If it bleeds, we can kill it?"
 

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Nice night for a poll, eh?
Your votes...give'em to me. Nao!
 

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
"I'll be kack."
 

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Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
 
Well, he's their governor now. If he screws everything up, then whose fault is that--those who voted for him on the recall. Of course, there will be mant attempts to blame the Democrats.

In my state (Wisconsin), people are beginning to organize a campaign to get our governor recalled. They are saying his veto of a property tax freeze, his expanding of gambling and his opposition to a concealed weapons bill makes him a prime target for recall.

Good Lord.
If you hear about a campaign to get rid of Governor Jim "Gray" Doyle, that's us. Apparently, people want a Tommy Thompson-like figure back in Madison.
 

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Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
 
"Ai vant your cloaths, your boots, and your voats."
 

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
Just wait till they change the Constitution to make it so Arnie can run for President...

Make a change so that people can become the President after 20 years of being a naturalized citizen.... After all, it is the only job that they can not aspire to.... for now....
 

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Actually, has the "born in the USA" rule always stood, or was it introduced more recently - and if so, what was the rationale/excuse for it?
 

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Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
 

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Actually, has the "born in the USA" rule always stood, or was it introduced more recently - and if so, what was the rationale/excuse for it?

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Originally posted by Ritten:
Make a change so that people can become the President after 20 years of being a naturalized citizen.... After all, it is the only job that they can not aspire to.... for now....

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Originally posted by Lee:
Actually, has the "born in the USA" rule always stood, or was it introduced more recently - and if so, what was the rationale/excuse for it?

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Originally posted by Nim:
Hmm ok, so no in vitro fertilized persons or cloned persons, or Jesus H. Christ for that matter, can be president?

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Hey, it's not my Constitution!

If Americans want to exclude clones and deities that's their business.
 

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Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
 
I give Ahnold two years before he's pushed into the same snakepit as Davis.
 

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
I give the Democrat-controlled CA Assembly 5 days before the obstructionism starts. And that's only because it'scoming up on the weekend.
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 

"I just love the sound of Democrats who can't stand the fact that they lost a fair election."

Oh, come on, he's not even a real Republican...
 

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Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
 
Damn, the economy is going to be terminated...
 

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Posted by Brian Whisenhunt (Member # 1095) on :
 
To pull a quote from the Reagan years...."Why not an actor....we've had a clown for four years".

Personally, it's only a matter of time before California will be known by its unofficial title of "Northern Mexico"

Then the people of California can spend $4000 a year to register their vehicles (which will of course HAVE to be all electric) to pay for all the "Social problems" that come with a welfare state mentality.
 

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Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
 
I'd have voted for a mime if he'd run on policy. It makes my skin crawl thinking that Arnie never had to really assert, discuss or defend his concept for how the nation should be run. Everything he said was a lame joke from one of his movies and didn't tell you anything about what he planned to do about it. I mean fuck the guy's not even really interested in the political process. It's just another Hollywood deal to him. Will everyone PLEASE watch to see if the investigation into the Texan energy gouging evaporates as quickly as our sense of moral purpose? Please...
 

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
 
Omega, sweety, you have no idea what I mean.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 

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Big Republican money steals another one. I just love Republican power grabs.

I just love the sound of Democrats who can't stand the fact that they lost a fair election.

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An election so fair that a Republican spent millions of dollars slandering the Governor to sway public opinion in favor of a recall.

Wow. Pretty darn fair.
I just hope Arnold likes the same level of "fairness" because the Democrats are certainly going to give it to him at every chance.
 

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Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
 

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Then the people of California can spend $4000 a year to register their vehicles (which will of course HAVE to be all electric) to pay for all the "Social problems" that come with a welfare state mentality

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I mean fuck the guy's not even really interested in the political process.

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Originally posted by Cartman:
big media circuses and the liberal splashing of dollars and the excruciating displays of apathy toward The Issues that usually surround American (and I use this word very loosely) politics?

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A Conservative Travesty

California's recall -- a riot of millionaires masquerading as a "revolt of the people" -- began with a rich conservative Republican congressman, who could think of no other way he might become governor, financing the gathering of the necessary signatures. Now this exercise in "direct democracy" -- precisely what America's Founders devised institutions to prevent -- has ended with voters full of self-pity and indignation removing an obviously incompetent governor. They have removed him from the office to which they reelected him after he had made his incompetence obvious by making most of the decisions that brought the voters to a boil.

The odor of what some so-called conservatives were indispensable to producing will eventually arouse them from their swoons over Arnold Schwarzenegger. Then they can inventory the damage they have done by seizing an office that just 11 months ago they proved incapable of winning in a proper election under ideal conditions.

These Schwarzenegger conservatives -- now, there is an oxymoron for these times -- have embraced a man who is, politically, Hollywood's culture leavened by a few paragraphs of Milton Friedman. They have given spurious plausibility to a meretricious accusation that Democrats are using to poison American politics, the charge that Florida 2000 was part of a pattern of Republican power grabs outside the regular election process.


George F. Will, The Washington Post

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Bill, Arnold and double standards

The California recall campaign was a noisy, raucous and often vitriolic affair. But the most striking feature of the final days was the silence. That was what you heard from conservatives on the subject of Arnold Schwarzenegger's sexual escapades.

Here was a guy who, voters learned, told a skin magazine in 1977 that he had a stripper girlfriend, hung out with prostitutes and engaged in group sex. Then last week, The Los Angeles Times reported that six women said he had forced himself on them, grabbing breasts and bottoms and trying to pull off clothing.

The charges clearly had at least some truth. Schwarzenegger didn't admit anything specific, but he didn't exactly proclaim his innocence, either. "Wherever there is smoke, there is fire," he said. "I have behaved badly sometimes." Other women came forward with similar accounts.

When Schwarzenegger insisted that "a lot of these are made-up stories," NBC anchor Tom Brokaw asked him, "So you deny all these stories about grabbing?" Replied Arnold: "No, not all." But he declined to tell which ones were true. Asked by Brokaw to be more specific about his actions, he replied, "As soon as the campaign is over, I will." What's your hurry, Tom?

At best, the evidence indicates that Schwarzenegger has a habit of sexual battery--defined in the California Penal Code as touching "an intimate part of another person, if the touching is against the will of the person touched, and is for the specific purpose of sexual arousal, sexual gratification, or sexual abuse."

This goes beyond the behavior that unleashed a scandal on Bill Clinton. His encounter with Monica Lewinsky was consensual, and his crude alleged proposition to Paula Jones stopped short of using force. Kathleen Willey said Clinton forcibly kissed and fondled her, though he relented when she rebuffed him. (It was not until after he was acquitted in his impeachment trial that another woman went public claiming he had raped her, and that was never proven.)

Clinton's adulterous conduct was enough to outrage conservative moralists. Columnist and former Reagan administration official Linda Chavez said that the actions described by Paula Jones didn't amount to sexual harassment but were "gross and disgusting, and, I think, make Clinton unfit to be president." The Wall Street Journal's shocked editorial writers asked, "What manner of man is it who takes sexual advantage of 21-year-old interns?"

David Frum, writing in the conservative Weekly Standard, asserted that "what's at stake in the Lewinsky scandal" is "the central dogma of the Baby Boomers: the belief that sex, so long as it's consensual, ought never to be subject to moral scrutiny at all." William Bennett, author of several books celebrating old-fashioned values, said Clinton "acted sexually more like an alley cat than an adult."

Maybe the defenders of virtue exhausted themselves so thoroughly attacking Clinton that they have no energy left to find fault with Schwarzenegger. In any event, I have yet to hear a peep of disgust from the major moralists of the right.

The Wall Street Journal admitted in passing that Schwarzenegger's alleged behavior was "crude and insulting"-- which sounds like a great understatement--while crowing that "his candor will strike voters as a welcome contrast to the usual political stonewalling or denials." But his "candor" was of the sort that is now universally known by the term "Clintonesque"--making a vague admission to defuse the issue while denying anything truly incriminating.

David Frum, in his regular column for National Review Online, didn't denounce Baby Boomer morality, but simply ignored the whole unpleasant business. Bill Bennett, the go-to guy on matters of morality, was missing in action. The cat got Linda Chavez's tongue.

So consider their double standard. When Clinton submitted to oral sex with Monica Lewinsky, conservatives thought it was morally repugnant. They also thought it disqualified him from remaining in office. As a Wall Street Journal editorial declared, "A business executive or college president caught having sex with an intern less than half his age would today be quickly dismissed."

Yet they're happy to have as governor of California someone who, by his own admission, has forced himself on unwilling women. Their new darling is a more aggressive sexual predator than the president they tried to remove from office. Morality? Law? They'll leave it to liberals to fret about such irrelevancies.

But if the charges persist and multiply, I predict conservatives will find a way to address Arnold's behavior: They'll blame it on Clinton.

Steve Chapman

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
Clinton to Blame?? Fuck no! We have Clinton to THANK!

Clinton proved that you can get away with it. RAH CLINTON! No politician can ever be investigated for his sexual pecadilloes again because of this guy. Not even Ted "Blub" Kennedy.

It's the perfect example of what can happen when the political parties work together. The Reps fire up the Charges, bake a kaboom out of it, while the Democrats go on the defensive, making sure nothing sticks.

All toward the NEXT time it happens. Now the Dems, if they push it, become hypocrites, while the Reps aren't going to go through the whole thing again, especially not against a (kind of) ally.

Result? Sex becomes a dead issue. They'd have to catch a candidate in bed with a twelve year old -- a DEAD twelve year old -- for anybody to take special notice anymore.


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I love how this guy dismesses the Clinton rape allegation as "unproven." "Uninvestigated" would be more accurate.

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"Senator, let's be sincere, as much as you can..."
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Sexual battery and attempted rape?

I miss the golden days of yesteryear, when all I could hold against a president was corruption, supplying "rebels" with weapons, kickbacks, electing their pals to federal positions, corperate connections dictating policy, seeing UFO's, envirinmental ignorance, racism, planning to assisinate foreign leaders, isolationism, meglomania, hypocracy, lying, stupidity, choosing a moron as a running mate and running the natives off their land.


Those were the good old days..... (sigh!)


I'd include "fucking Marlyn Monroe" but who can blame a guy for that?
 

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Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
 
So you're looking forward to the 2004 election?
 

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Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
 

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I'd include "fucking Marlyn Monroe" but who can blame a guy for that?

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Now the Dems, if they push it, become hypocrites

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In the California recall, the right wing's moralistic masters of attack choked on their own partisanship. These are the people who praised the "courage" of anyone who reported anything embarrassing about the sex life of a certain former president. Then they painted all who did not respond with indignation as "apologists" complicit in America's moral decline and the "death of outrage."

Guess who the apologists were this time? All of a sudden it was Arnold Schwarzenegger being accused of groping, fondling and humiliating women. Oh, yes, there was outrage on the right. But it was directed at the Los Angeles Times for investigating and reporting on the charges. The same folks who had insisted that our leaders should be moral exemplars were suddenly aghast when a news organization explored the "character" of, well, er, a Republican. Fox's Bill O'Reilly on Schwarzenegger: "The Los Angeles Times is out to get him, to destroy him. . . . Most guys have done dopey things with women." Bill O'Reilly on Clinton during impeachment: "The American people have a right to know everything there is to know about President Clinton's behavior."

Schwarzenegger was very shrewd about the whole business. Unlike Bill Clinton -- whose impeachment, by the way, he had criticized -- Schwarzenegger did not deny the undeniable. But he picked up tricks from the master, going after the whole left-wing conspiracy. And he used the moralists' weapon of choice, talk radio, to drive his attacks home. His opponents were "throwing everything at me plus the kitchen sink," Schwarzenegger told talk host Sean Hannity. He accused Davis of sending out "surrogate women" to come up with new accusers.

Shouldn't this election have been an easy call for the moralists? Here you had dull, stolid, old-values Gray Davis, who even went to Mass on Election Day. He was opposed by one of those permissive Hollywood stars against whom the right wing fulminates for daring to express political opinions. But, hey, Arnold is no Susan Sarandon. His views -- on taxes, big government and business regulation, if not on abortion and gay rights -- were good enough for the purposes of this recall. Who cares about a little hanky-panky when a Democratic governor can be thrown out of office?

You get the sneaking feeling that the right may come to regret this deal with The Terminator. Yes, his victory was a triumph over incompetent Democrats who should never have allowed things to come to this. The World Series of Recrimination is a coming Democratic attraction. But Schwarzenegger's campaign was a rebuke to partisans of the Republican right, and not only because they had to eat tens of thousands of their own words about sex and morality. They were also forced to buy into a political strategy they had rejected in the past.

A few months after Gray Davis won his first election as governor in 1998, a group of political strategists gathered at the University of California's Institute for Governmental Studies to dissect the campaign. Davis, remember, won in a year when Republicans made attacking Clinton one of their national themes. Leslie Goodman, one of the GOP's shrewdest California strategists, said her party had "created the sense that the Republican Party was the judgmental party or the judging party, and the Democrats were the helping party." She went on: "The era of preacher politics is over. People don't want ideologues wagging fingers in their faces."

Say what you will about Arnold: He's not judgmental. He wagged fingers only at Gray Davis and the L.A. Times. And as Goodman would have predicted, he held on to conservatives while making deep inroads into the old Democratic coalition. Exit polling showed that Schwarzenegger won 41 percent of the vote from those who favor legal abortion, 37 percent from union members, 31 percent from Hispanics, 20 percent from self-described liberals and 18 percent from Democrats.

As for the Times, it was correct to run its groping story before the election, but far better had it been published a week or two earlier. Voters have made clear their sensible preference that the sex lives of politicians be treated as private matters unless an overwhelming case is made for going public. In this case, Californians were not given time to decide whether this report was more about sex or more about something closer to battery. Even with additional time, an electorate desperate for change might still have made the same choice it did on Tuesday. But by being able to dismiss the charges as a last-minute hit, Schwarzenegger evaded their public implications.

Conservatives might reasonably argue that Clinton's success in beating impeachment and Arnold's election both represent the triumph of the Permissive Society. But this week, conservatives themselves were complicit in its victory. Mark Oct. 7, 2003, as the day conservatives' moral outrage died.

E. J. Dionne, The Washington Post

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Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
 
Schwarzenegger may turn out to be the only politician ever who has to try and avoid appearing 'hands on'.
 

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
Till they make him the fucking President.... Bet Florida plays a key role there too....
 

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Till they make him the fucking President.... Bet Florida plays a key role there too....

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JesusMaryMotherOfFUckingChrist I HOPE NOT!

I Live in Fort lauderdale and I'm sick to death of every fucking crazy thing originating in my state.
Fuck, I even had three 9/11 hijackers in my work using the internet a month or so before the attack!
I probably walkeed right past them while leaving for the day.
There's a local Rallian chapter.
Every kind of "pride parage" you can imagine every weekend (sometoimes clashing with each other)
...and dont even get me started on our election processes or city corruption!
 

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
What's a Rallian chapter and a Pride Parage?
 

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
Rallians are a cult, I believe, and he probably meant "pride parade", i.e. gay pride.
 

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Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
 
I think the Raellians were the ones who claimed to have cloned a human.
 

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
The same cult of alien worshippers....

Jason, you seem a little touchy on this, you should move to California where things aren't so goofed up...
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
I vacationed in CA this summer.
Bueatiful state if a bit too dry.
I prefer Fort Lauderdale but the surreal nature of my homestate can be overwhelming at times.

Please excuse the really really bad typos in my previous post: it was the first thig I did this morning when I got up and I sure was'nt anything close to awake.
 

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Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
 

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...you should move to California where things aren't so goofed up...

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THe anime section was on the same asile as the softcore pornography.

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Sorry Rob, but you are way off base. Full of it, one might say.

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Conservatives might reasonably argue that Clinton's success in beating impeachment and Arnold's election both represent the triumph of the Permissive Society. But this week, conservatives themselves were complicit in its victory. Mark Oct. 7, 2003, as the day conservatives' moral outrage died.

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...Arnold was the test of the new sexualpolitical matrix. Nobody cares anymore. Sexual misconduct is now a nonissue with the vast majority of voters...

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It probably won't work on the next sex-scandalled Democrat, either.

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I wouldn't put any money on that. Rush will be out of rehab by then.
 

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Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
 
Georgia (no, not that one, the other one) is to name a mountain after Arnie

I don't know why either...
 

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
Wow, you are a bit slow on the up take there....

Hell, I quite reading news papers and watching the news too, and still new that, a week ago....

OTOH, I don't either....
 

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Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
 


Yeah, I saw this a while ago in the paper but came accross it online today and decided to post it here, for a reason. not sure what the reason was but I'll tell you if I remember.
 

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
, just wondering is all....
 

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