Still waiting for Rush Limbaugh and Pat Robertson.
Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :
If that's supposed to be funny, I'm not laughing. Taking pleasure in someone's death, no matter who it is, is pretty sick.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Really? So you'd take no pleasure when you found out Saddam Hussein died? Because, I tell you now, I'll cheer when the deaths of Osama bin Laden and John Gaumer are announced.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
It's funny. I looked up John Guamer not knoiwing the name & after reading the articles, I know exactly where he's staying in jail at the moment & what his routine is.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
While I won't celebrate his death, you won't see any tears shed by me.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
quote:Really? So you'd take no pleasure when you found out Saddam Hussein died? Because, I tell you now, I'll cheer when the deaths of Osama bin Laden and John Gaumer are announced.
As far as I know, Jerry Falwell never ruled a country with an iron fist or ordered men to fly planes filled with men, women and children into three buildings.
Granted, I thought the man was a certifiable nutcase (as I feel toward all television evangelists), but comparing him to the men you describe isn't quite fair by a long shot.
Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :
All life is precious to me, and you have no idea how it saddens my heart when someone needs to be put to death. The feeling of security that someone abominable has been removed from this world does not overcome the regret that such an action was necessary.
*edit* I was going to say what Dukhat just said.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
I'm not saying that Falwell is on the same level as bin Laden, I'm just saying that the notion that a person won't celebrate when someone dies is ridiculous, fancy word phrasing aside. Pretending otherwise is just plain stupid.
Falwell's dead - who cares? He was an old man, and he lived a longer life than a lot of people do. Too bad he was such a fucking idiot when he was alive, because now that he's dead, he doesn't have a chance to change his public image.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
There's not enough piss in my bladder for his grave.
Fucking hate monger.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jeff Raven: All life is precious to me, and you have no idea how it saddens my heart when someone needs to be put to death. The feeling of security that someone abominable has been removed from this world does not overcome the regret that such an action was necessary.
If only Jerry Falwell felt the same way. The only lives he valued were those of people who believed exactly what he told them to believe. I'm not taking pleasure in his death, but I will say that I'm glad of his departure, that he will no longer be around to poison the world with his messages of intolerance, hatred, and prejudice.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Who is John Gaumer?
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
He's a Baltimore-area douchebag who raped, beat, and disfigured the sister of a friend of mine.
Posted by Josh (Member # 1884) on :
I really with Fred Phelps would kick the can. He's an even more hateful, extreme version of this guy.
Posted by Josh (Member # 1884) on :
Sorry for the typo, *I really wish*
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
Unfortunately, the Phelpses are the dandelions of the nutcase family: their roots go surprisingly deep, and every time one goes away, three more take its place.
Hm. Maybe that makes them the Gorgon of the nutcase family? Anyone got a good sword and a torch ro ten handy?
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
Darn, forgot about Phelps. Title should have been "One Down, Three To Go".
But Phelps seems too extreme to the point that I don't think Robertson, Limbaugh, nor Falwell wanted to associate with him in the first place.....
Back to Falwell, reason why I typed it that way? The world would most likely be better off without him. Anyone who claims that those who do not follow his beliefs allowed 9-11 to happen does not deserve any sympathy from me and will only get a good round of "Good riddance" once they are gone.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Heh, I remember getting banned from one prop-makers forum for saying "one down, Thatcher to go" when Reagan made the world a better place by leaving it. All these wingnuts who not long before had been gloating happily over the deaths of Uday and Qusay were now all "Oh, how can you say such horrid things, the death of anyone is a great tragedy no matter what you think of them."
Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jeff Raven: Taking pleasure in someone's death, no matter who it is, is pretty sick.
I'd imagine that depends on the kind of pleasure and what you think happens (or could happen) to a person at death.
But to get rid of people ("one down"), I'd rather not. Too anti-personalist for my taste. Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
A perspective you may not have considered.
I don't have his life story in detail, but from what I can find, I have no reason to consider him a great man to be missed. This man made Christianity look bad. He was a loud, well known voice in the USA, and he used that voice to damage his God's reputation. He made the job of the Church that much harder, having to make up for his mistakes.
But I still take no pleasure in his death. Regardless of how badly he may have acted, he was still my brother.
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
I hope the "Brother" comnment is not literal.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
And just to try to make my sentiment (and others' here, it seems) as clear as possible: we're not celebrating his death, but simply his absence. When you consider that all life affects all other life in some way, it's sad when one of those lives ends, but it's simply the natural way of things. (In this case, anyway; if he had been murdered by some nutcase, this would be an entirely different conversation, and I would never condone that.)
Considering that Falwell spent his life preaching hatred and prejudice against other life, it's a sad but true fact that the world will be a better place without him. Or to put it (yet) another way, I regret how he spent his life a whole heck of a lot more than I regret his death.
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
Exactly.
Now we wait for Robertson, Limbaugh, and Phelps to join him.
Although for the "murdered by a nutcase" scenario, I'm ambivalent to how I would respond in that circumstance.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
The whole life is precious thing is na�ve in my view. What is precious about a life that is evil, or that is hatemongering (small difference), or that murders another (smaller difference)? I don't regret that person's death. Everyone does die. It's just a cycle. Things live and die. If a certain evil person's death comes sooner than maybe it should, I'm not going to cry about it.
And the man was evil. Not as evil as other men you could name, but hatemongering, intolerant, poisoning, hurtful, and wishing to cause others harm. That's still evil.
And MinutiaeMan, very well put and I agree completely.
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
quote:Originally posted by Omega: ...he used that voice to damage his God's reputation.
Golly, God should really speak up and do something about that.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Um, he did. Or hadn't you noticed that the man is dead now? I'd call that God having the last laugh.
--Jonah
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
God punished him by letting have a long life? He died an old man, Perry.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Not to mention that a big fat dude who apparently stresses out about a lot really ought to have died younger. If one were to postulate any sort of divine intervention, one would almost have to assume the man's life had been unnaturally extended.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Hm... Maybe it wasn't God he was working for...
--Jonah
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Loki?
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
That mischievous bastard...oughta stay in Ysgard where he belongs. Interfering here in our Christian decency. snrk..
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
But we all know Loki is really an Asgard that likes to clone people.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Actually, just to be clear, I'm not "celebrating his absence", I'm celebrating his death. I hope he died with the realization that he betrayed everything good and noble in Christ's message and with a score of regrets.
And in excruciating pain, of course. ..and I hope he crapped himself at the end.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
There are those who celebrate the deaths of others. And there are those who do not.
Of the first, some celebrate the death of any opponent. Others celebrate the death of people more specifically.
How so? I think the difference here is that, be it as a part of America or as part of the West, people like Reagan or Falwell (not to lump the two together in any way other than "dead famous political figures") are, in the end, one of "us".
Just as Churchill delivered Chamberlain's eulogy and praised him, despite his appeasements having brought the English-speaking world to the brink of collapse . . .
Just as Nixon gave great tribute to LBJ (to the praise of others) upon LBJ's death in '73, and just as Dubya honored LBJ by naming the DoEd HQ building after him . . .
. . . those who separate "us" versus "them" simply don't revel in the deaths of opponents who are still one of "us".
Others, however, separate "us" versus "them" by other boundaries, making smaller sets of "us". No longer are Americans all "us", for instance, but only a select group.
Thus many more deaths can be celebrated, and even more hate-filled silliness such as hoping for pain and crap can be flung upon people.
Don't get me wrong here . . . I'm no fan of Falwell or his politics. For starters, just as hippy-istic notions circumvented the option of quarantine early on in the US AIDS crisis (which at best might've slowed things down a bit), so too did Falwell's anti-gay agenda spread disinformation about AIDS that probably helped speed its spread. And, of course, he misunderstood the so-called "alternative lifestyle" thing as coming from a general godlessness, instead of recognizing that the godlessness of those who live outside the bounds of Falwellian morality are often anti-religious merely as a subset of a grander anti-establishmentarian bent.
But in the end, while his understanding and execution were often poor and unhelpful to his causes, his goal . . . holding the line against the ethical decay of the United States . . . was certainly not evil.
But hey, don't let that stop anyone. He's not one of "us".
Just remember not to bitch and moan when folks celebrate the deaths of those you revere and consider to be "us".
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
And which one of "us" would you like to see die?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"...just as Dubya honored LBJ by naming the DoEd HQ building after him..."
A president whose favorite accomplishment is having fabricated evidence to bring the country into an unwinnable war honors the previous president who fabricated evidence to bring the country into an unwinnable war? Imagine that.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:And which one of "us" would you like to see die?
Thanks for reinforcing my point.
quote:A president whose favorite accomplishment is having fabricated evidence to bring the country into an unwinnable war honors the previous president who fabricated evidence to bring the country into an unwinnable war? Imagine that.
Oh, you poor misguided creature.
Bush did not fabricate evidence. The intelligence he employed is the very same intelligence that Clinton and friends had . . . the difference was that in the world post-9/11, it seemed time to do more about it than lob a few explosive penises to feel better about ourselves.
Clinton invariably failed to act decisively on real security threats to the United States. Why else was Sandy Berger stealing related documents from the National Archives in his socks, hmm?
But I digress . . . let's ponder who was fabricating what:
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
What's this? Sandy Berger said Saddam had WMDs two years before Bush was elected?
My god, the tendrils of the Bush evidence fabrication conspiracy run very deep!
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
Clinton, suckered into Bush's trickery two years before the election.
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction." - Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998
Clinton and his appointed US ambassador to the UN, suckered into Bush's trickery two years before the election.
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton. - (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998
John Kerry in his first loss to the treacherous trickery of . . . what did he call him in '04? "That dumbass from the sticks" or something like that?
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
Even Pelosi's psychotic ass was on board.
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
Kennedy's old KGB contacts, with whom he'd allied to try to undercut President Reagan (thereby 'sleeping with the enemy' for domestic political gain) could've told him if this was wrong.
But then, given Kennedy's habits, he was probably in bed with someone in Saddam's government anyway.
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
Al Gore, former VP, 'knew' of WMD stockpiles in Iraq. Evidently this was because, like Clinton et al., he'd been suckered into the lies of the evil neocon conspiracy for the past four years.
Of course, the fact that the CIA was largely run by leftists, some who were leftovers from Clinton's administration (hence all that Valerie Plame crap and various other public frictions between the White House and CIA) deflates that concept somewhat, but we shouldn't let little things like facts detract from our rabid Bush-hating.
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
Damning proof of Bush's evidence fabrication!
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
Hillary herself . . . the same one who claimed to have conducted an independent review of the evidence Bush was using before voting for military action . . .
. . . and then, like Kerry, would now vote against it.
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
I think the best take on the matter is an old quote from an online adversary of mine:
"Hatin' on Bush is the TREND. Compare him to Hitler? Nah, man, compare him to EBOLA! Ooh, I got an erection just typing that!"
President Bush is certainly not without his failings, but the lies and distortions of the rabid left are simply unsupportable.
Of course, as with Falwell, you've proven my point that "us" and "them" are highly modified concepts in the leftist mind.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
And y'know, let's not forget Saddam's constant efforts to screw with weapons inspectors, based as it apparently was on a desire to keep the question of what he had in the air to his neighbors.
All those suggestions and disinformation that he had something to hide came from him, and boy that bit him in the ass, dinnit?
But of course, despite the fact that various stockpiles of chemical and bioweapons have been located, it's so much nicer to be able to hate Bush fully and claim it was all Bush lies, thereby eroding support for his international politics.
A united United States could've done more to take care of real nuclear programs like that of North Korea and Iran. But instead America's hands are tied because the whole world thinks that Bush is in the distinct minority on the issue.
So yeah, keep spreading the lies. Kim and Ahminadinnerjacket will thank you later.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Whatever. You AND them spew the same shit. Get the fuck over yourselves & learn to fucking work together for a fucking change.
Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
I missed this when the bastard died. It's a goosd thing for christains, since he it's around to make them all look bad.
This is the same guy that said "Christains, Slaves and soldiers shouldn't ask questions"
and
"If I can't raise 1 million dollars, God will call me home"
Now, with Jerry gone, and William Pierce, dead very painfully I might add, I just waiting for Pat!!
I partied the night Jerry kicked, and will party for pHLEPS AND pAT rOBERTSON. Damn, I hate caps lock.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I guess you hate backspace even more?
Posted by reggleton (Member # 1992) on :
My recollection of him was that he stole money from recipients of Social Security -- played on thier Christian beliefs to make himself rich. That's pretty low, especially since some of his contributors likely couldn't afford to buy their medicines, and, maybe ate cat food at the end of the month when their food stamps ran out.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: I guess you hate backspace even more?
'tis against his religion. still more sane than anything in Leviticus
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