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Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
 
In light of Omega running for congress, this is a good time to bring this up again:

http://politicalcompass.org

My Score:
Economic Left/Right: -0.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.02

Can someone dig up that member graph again?
 
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Some of those are rather loaded questions and I don't feel confident that I'm actually qualified to give informed answers, but I did my best.

My Score:
Economic Left/Right: -3.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.10

Never really thought of myself as a lefty, but I didn't need that graph to tell me I'm not of the authoritarian persuasion. [Wink]
 
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
 
Pretty much the same score for me as the last time I did the quiz.

Economic Left/Right -5.00
Social Libertairian/Authoritarian - -3.79

Me an Ghandi are chillin out in the lower left.
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
-7.62 / -7.38 this time. Still crawling off to the lower left, I guess.

Here is the chart from three years ago. Rather than adding to it, I've redone it in a larger format, to increase readability. I also removed anyone who didn't participate last time. If one of them reappears, I can add them back in.

By the way, if I make any mistakes as a result of name changes, let me know.

Also, Saltah'na, you might have to remove the "Commie Bastard" section of your status line, after that crazy U-turn off to the right.
 
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
I forget if I did it the last time...

Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.77
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
No, but you did back in 2002, so I restored that.
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38
 
Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28

I feel like the test needs to be updated in some way, because everyone I know who takes the test, even people I'd consider to be traditionalist/conservative, end up in the left/libertarian quadrant.
 
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
 
TSN: I have an American co-worker who has a running joke with me saying that Chinese people are 100% Commies, while Canadians are only half. So There....

And I am trying to get him to take this test, but I suspect he will end up in the lower right quadrant.
 
Posted by Doctor Jonas (Member # 481) on :
 
Still breaking records, people... (and not of the vinyl variety)

Economic Left/Right: -8.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.82
 
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
 
I know I've taken this before, though I don't think I've ever posted the results in a thread here. But I want to be on the graph!

Economic Left/Right: -8.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.97
 
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26
 
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -0.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.72

I'm STILL in the Delta Quadrant. I think I need to adjust for wind and use a smaller powder charge.
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Saltah'na : No, I understand the reference. I was just making a joke about your pretty widespread movement on the chart.

WizArtist : Gamma Quadrant.

everyone : Chart update.
 
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TSN:


WizArtist : Gamma Quadrant.

everyone : Chart update.

No WONDER I'm lost. [Wink]

Although, I DO seem to be centering in.....
 
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.87
 
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -7.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44


Where are all my other entries onto our chart o' social progress/regress?
I see only one listed.
I think I've moved further "left" this go around.
 
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
 
Huh, I could swear I took this before, but I'm not on the chart. Must not have posted about it.

Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.67
 
Posted by Axeman 3D (Member # 1050) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Lib/Auth: -1.85

I appear to be perilously close to Ghandi and Nelson Mandela. I didn't realise I was such a wuss.
 
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
That's just their public face: Ghandi would feed you your balls if he heard you call him "wuss".
and if he weren't, you know, dead
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Chart.

Jason : You don't seem to have posted any other scores. That's why they don't show up.
 
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
-1.5 x -4.05
 
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
That's just their public face: Ghandi would feed you your balls if he heard you call him "wuss".
and if he weren't, you know, dead

Of course, he'd have to do it nonviolently...
 
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TSN:
Chart.

Jason : You don't seem to have posted any other scores. That's why they don't show up.

There you go again- siting "facts" as an excuse for not doing something.

Man, I'm really moving off the chart there....I wonder if there are any examples of famous people at my exact level of thinking?
 
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.23
 
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
Bah! I'm sliding to the right...

Economic Left/Right: -3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.26
 
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MinutiaeMan:
quote:
Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
That's just their public face: Ghandi would feed you your balls if he heard you call him "wuss".
and if he weren't, you know, dead

Of course, he'd have to do it nonviolently...
Dude, he'd just convince you to cut 'em off and eat 'em.
 
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.49
 
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: 0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.72

Although I still think this thing is severely skewed in the way it asks its questions.
 
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:


Man, I'm really moving off the chart there....I wonder if there are any examples of famous people at my exact level of thinking?

Um...Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy.... [Wink] jk.
 
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Love to know where our newest members Sean and Vanguard fit in.
 
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
quote:
Um...Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy.... jk.

This from the only member in Stalin's quadrant. [Razz]

I also wonder where Vanguard and other stand on this- hopefully we'll see a good turnout taking the quiz.
 
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
 
...Yeah, just realized the reason my old score isn't on the chart.

It's because I wasn't a Flare member the last time you did this.

Yeah, I'm smrt and really good at reading dates.
 
Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.33
 
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
 
Eurgh. I'm a lefty-liberal type it seems!

Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.54

Didn't see that comming!
 
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97

I think Ive backtracked a bit.
 
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
 
So is anyone going to join Zefram or me in our own spacious quadrants? [Smile]

Development soon underway....
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Updated chart. I think Diane should have some sort of constancy award.

It's a good thing most of us are the sort of people who have, at one time or another, tried to draw out complicated star maps of the Trek galaxy, or the chart would make no sense. For the rest of you, I've made a simplified version. It just shows everyone's most recent scores (limited to the 2006 and 2009 iterations).
 
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
I was just thinking, what it needs is a few ships added for decoration, traditionally ones we don't see very often, maybe a Norway, an Olympic, that sort of thing. And a Dauntless just to really confuse matters.

Diane wins least change. How is it even possible, to have answered so closely on two occasions seven years apart?
 
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
 
Thanks for keeping track of that by the way.
 
Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :
 
Er, I would've thought I'd swung economically right and then swung back. Maybe that happened in the years in between [Smile] .
 
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.95
 
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
Wow. I did the same sort of trend as Lee. Hmm. I think Lee, myself, Mucus, Da_bang, Omega, Saltah'na and Tim have done the most interesting changes...
 
Posted by Not Invented Here (Member # 1606) on :
 
New Scores:

Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28

I have become Gandhi. I will be off to buy my white robe tomorrow. Not convinced about the starving myself bit though.
 
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
 
Fabrux:
Actually, I don't know how much I've actually changed. It is entirely possible I may be circling around a point due to the margin of error in the test.
 
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
You have a point there. I don't consider myself having changed either.
 
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
 
I just redid the test again and I've moved quite a bit. It could be that margin of error you're talking about or it may just be that I'm not really steadfast in my political views.

Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.90

It's interesting to look at the chart and see how we've all changed over the years.
 
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Not Invented Here:
New Scores:

Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28

I have become Gandhi. I will be off to buy my white robe tomorrow. Not convinced about the starving myself bit though.

I used to be right there with the 'G" Man but I decided that I like eating cows and that violence is generally okay in my book.
Maybe just violence to cows.

Now I wear black robes but still feel vaguely oppressed by the British government, for no reason I can discern.

I shave my head like Gandhi though- we'll call it an honorific for the sake of this conversation.
 
Posted by Zefram (Member # 1568) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: 6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.33

Pretty much where I was last time. Any changes were fairly small.

Any ideas as to why so many Flarites are in the lower, left-hand quadrant and so few are in the upper, right-hand quadrant?
 
Posted by Charles Capps (Member # 9) on :
 
Hmm, it's been a while...

Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.56

That's around where I've been for a while, even though I know many of my answers have changed. The test has also changed, of course.
quote:
Any ideas as to why so many Flarites are in the lower, left-hand quadrant and so few are in the upper, right-hand quadrant?
A general pattern I've noticed tends to place many fans of Trek and sci-fi in the liberal and libertarian area. Considering some of the core messages of TOS to begin with, that doesn't surprise me.
 
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
I think that depends on the forum more than anything- the SSM crowd seems to hail from the center/right side of the board (if their politics and gun rights views are any indication).

I think the adverage age of the forum's members are a factor as well.
 
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
 
What is the average age? 30ish?
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Around here? A little under that, I'd guess.
 
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
 
I think I've become more to the economic right in the last few years. Recent events have led me to express no sympathy for the so-called "less fortunate". Especially when I see so few who are those downed by substantial bad luck. There is no bad luck, there are only bad decisions. And I certainly believe government or anyone should be responsible for anyone's bad decisions.
 
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Well my parents have been financially responsible for years, yet they're feeling the problems of the economy, with everything but their paychecks going up. So you say there's no bad luck, but bad decisions, yet they've never took out a loan for a house they couldn't afford. Hell they don't even own a house, but live in a rented apartment which they always pay for on time.
 
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
That's an unfortunate situation but "bad luck", indeed "luck" in general refers more to some supernatural factor influencing your fate.


For example, someone may consider themselves very unlucky if they lost their job and their girlfriend dumped them for another guy while someone in a wheelchair might think of that person as extremely lucky to be in good health.
I know several guys with girlfriends, good jobs, loving relations and nice cars that complain to me about how things suck for them.

Life is what you make of it plus outside factors outside your control- the determination that one is "unlucky" will taint anything not directly controlled whereas feeliong "lucky" might lead to seeing adversity as challenge or oppourntunity to change for the better.

Also, beer is good.
 
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Indeed there is no luck in terms of the definition you provided, but when I meant luck in my post, I was really referring to the fact that some people will always find themselves at a disadvantage regardless of any choices they make due to social and institutional factors which are beyond their control. Basically what I'm saying is in these economic times, it sucks not to be rich. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
 
I personally believe that life is a test of character. It's all about how you are going to react/respond to whatever situation occurs to you. You don't get to choose many of the variables of the test, but you DO get to choose how you solve for those items.

As Jason has stated, there are many people out there that are looking around to find why they are not happy despite the amount of 'toys' and good things in their lives while others consider it a good day because the sun shines on them or they can breathe better that day. The enemy of happiness is in comparing what you deem 'lacking' in your situation with the 'American Dream' that you see driving people into depression. Thank you ADVERTISING.
 
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mars Needs Women:
Well my parents have been financially responsible for years, yet they're feeling the problems of the economy, with everything but their paychecks going up. So you say there's no bad luck, but bad decisions, yet they've never took out a loan for a house they couldn't afford. Hell they don't even own a house, but live in a rented apartment which they always pay for on time.

Time to get a new job. Like I am doing. And even if this new job goes belly up, I'm not about to blame the government for that turn of events.

Years ago, I lost my job due to a combination of office politics and nepotism. My ex-girlfriend of that time left me as a result, and I ended up working minimum wage at the local Staples. Sure, I blamed everything for what happened except myself. But as the years went by and I managed to climb out of that hole, I realized one thing: I was indeed at fault for putting myself in that situation for one reason: I ignored the signs that they were out to get rid of me. Had I have known, I would have either 1) leave no evidence for them to use against me if they wanted to fire me or 2) find a new job.

You know the saying "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"? Which is why I'm looking for a new job before they can push me out of my current one. At least I'm taking control of my own destiny, and if I fail, it's nobody's fault except my own. Those people who are in trouble in these economic times are in that position because they refuse to take control of their own lives and place that control squarely on others. That's socialism for you.
 
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Well I don't blame the gov for any problems I face and neither do my parents, and we'll all pull thru like we've done in previous bad situations. Cause one thing we don't do is give up, cause if we do then we don't have anyone to blame but ourselves. Once More Unto the Breach!!!
 
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
 
Exactly my point.
 
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Of course, that's no reason not to rail against rampant corruption and the ever growing divinde betweem the wealthy and the very poor.

While the word "Socialism" has -via the press- become something of a dirty word, consider that government regulation is (and always has been) the tool to leverage oppourtunities for financial and social advancment.

That's what the Antitrust Laws were made for- a spirit now lost by the endless mergers and buy-outs of small business' by mega-corporations.

This nonsense of "too big to fail" is eactly the mentality dreamed of by the robber-barrons of yesteryear....though today's gains are being reaped by many of the same wealthy families.

When public monies go to private companies or secular organizations everyone loses.

Our system of compitition is far better realized by thousands of small stores competing for consumer dollars than four or five "big-box" stores owning a majority stake of a market: it's only a matter of time before a trade war with China leads to seriously higher prices on all imports.
Then we'll be bailing out Wal-Mart as "too big to fail".
 
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
 
I'm a South Park conservative -- I think both sides are equally corrupt and bloated.
 


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