I can only imagine what's going through the mind of the Borg Collective right now...
Flowers? FLOWERS? We got brought down by FLOWERS?!?!
Brent Spiner's now portraying yet another Soong. Geez, is there any genetic diversity in that gene pool?
Wait, androids can learn to do mindmelds? Uh...
And speaking of her, anybody else majorly getting a Lore vibe off Sutra?
The big reveal is that the Admonition isn't actually meant for organic life and isn't a warning not to create organic life. It's actually meant for synthetic life, and is an invitation for help should they find themselves under attack by organic life. Unfortunately, this help apparently comes in the form of KILLING ALL HUMANS!
This also kinda explains why Oh's plan is so stupid. Even though she doesn't seem insane, the faulty interface with the Admonition probably has made her completely bonkers.
And where the heck are Admiral Pottymouth's reinforcements?
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
quote:Originally posted by Krenim: And where the heck are Admiral Pottymouth's reinforcements?
She’s on her way with the Enterprise NCC-1701-F-Bomb.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
quote:Originally posted by Krenim: Brent Spiner's now portraying yet another Soong. Geez, is there any genetic diversity in that gene pool?
Juliana TainerBot has all the original's memories, but conveniently forgets to mention to Data "oh, yeah, I bore your daddy a meat-son"–one who implies he wasn't good enough for Papa but still goes into the family botbuiliding business. Sure.
Lemme find out every Soong since Arik's been a clone.
quote:Wait, androids can learn to do mindmelds? Uh...
Maybe because they're meatbots...? Maybe "Telepathy Simulator v. 2.6.5" is running, matching frequencies. Or maybe it's bullshit.
quote:And speaking of her, anybody else majorly getting a Lore vibe off Sutra?
Totally, & that's obviously the point. It part of the code: "Thou shalt not write about nonbiologic lifeforms without inclusion of a treacherous EvilBot."
quote:The big reveal is that the Admonition isn't actually meant for organic life and isn't a warning not to create organic life. It's actually meant for synthetic life, and is an invitation for help should they find themselves under attack by organic life. Unfortunately, this help apparently comes in the form of KILLING ALL HUMANS!
Somehow...SOMEHOW!....they're gonna try & tie this into DSC's stupid Control idea.
quote:And where the heck are Admiral Pottymouth's reinforcements?
DS12, apparently. Or maybe they're still trying to get the Discofleet ready for 145 years later.
Who didn't see the Borg riding to the rescue, raise your hand.
Who doesn't see the Borg riding to the rescue again next week, raise your hand.
All in all, I'm disappointed af in this show. I hope next season is, like, the crew minus Jurati playing interstellar A-Team, because that would be way more interesting.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Also, the actual Destroyer has the Indian name? Okay. At least they weren't twinned sexbots named Kama & Sutra.
Let's talk about Soong³ mentioning "mind transfer". Did someone finally start digging into Ira Graves again some 35 years later? Other than that one Myriad Universes story, that seems to have been totally forgotten.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Okay, so now we’re back to Cylon ripoffs again, except now they’re uber-powerful extra-galactic vengeance robots instead? And they go around recruiting newly-evolved synths into their Overmind and wipe out the organic life around them?
The idea of the Admonition being intended for synths is an interesting twist. And it basically proves that just about everyone who’s seen it has gone insane, some just not as obviously as others. But the show also pretty much states that the content of the message is being interpreted correctly: if you create synths, and then inevitably mistreat them, then we’ll destroy the creator’s planet/civilization/galaxy.
It’s kinda ridiculous that we have yet another Soong clone. I think it’d be stupid yet hilarious if we discovered that Arik basically started cloning himself to carry on his life’s work rather than actually procreating the old fashioned way. It wouldn’t be unprecedented. Assuming he’s a natural biological child, I suppose it’s possible that Altan is not Juliana’s son but has a different mother. But Altan’s apparent age fits best with assuming Juliana is his mother. It’s one of those things that stretches credulity. Surprise family members is getting to be a Star Trek cliche.
I’m also slightly disappointed that Spot 2 isn’t fifty feet tall like Spock 2.
Thankfully, the core characters are still mostly likable and engaging. Contrary to apparent popular opinion, I’m enjoying Jurati’s story. Killing Maddox is close to unforgivable, but I think it’s clear she was driven half insane from the mind meld with Oh and she wasn’t ever trained or prepared for space travel anyway, so she’s clearly half terrified all the time anyway.
I was wondering how the ex-Borg are going to fit into this. They’re not exactly synthetic life since the Borg just assimilate, but I wonder if it’ll end up that the Borg are somehow related to the mysterious vengeance robots.
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat:
quote:Originally posted by Krenim: And where the heck are Admiral Pottymouth's reinforcements?
She’s on her way with the Enterprise NCC-1701-F-Bomb.
Well played, sir. Well played.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
I'm still waiting for these Cylons to revolt and cause Picard to search out the 13th colony. I feel like I'm mixing up my shows but I can't even tell anymore.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I just want this show to be over.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
I had my hopes up after last week's episode but this episode just felt wrong.
Are we still to believe that they were all created from Data? How does this mesh with what Sutra is planning to do?
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
I think we're gonna find out Soong's got Lore in a basement somewhere and has been making these synths from him.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Presume something’s planned for the golem (seriously, calling it a golem, wtf?). A reborn Data using engrams salvaged from B4? I suspect something different from what Soong intends (immortality for himself?). Maybe they’ll recast Picard as a younger actor! They wouldn’t dare...
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Well, I guess we know where V'ger ended up now.
Posted by Zipacna (Member # 1881) on :
quote:Originally posted by Krenim: Wait, androids can learn to do mindmelds? Uh...
I thought this was bizarre, to say the least, while watching. Subsequently thought about it, though, and if these androids have an organic element (perhaps prototypes of the Soji-type androids), then conceivably Soong could have introduced Vulcan DNA into their mix. Given the Soong family's history with genetic engineering, it could be a nice tie-in with Arik and be a merging of the two approaches at being insane.
Or that's just clutching at straws to explain away a plot-line created by people who haven't got the faintest idea what they're working with.
quote:The big reveal is that the Admonition isn't actually meant for organic life and isn't a warning not to create organic life. It's actually meant for synthetic life, and is an invitation for help should they find themselves under attack by organic life. Unfortunately, this help apparently comes in the form of KILLING ALL HUMANS!
I half wonder whether the androids are also getting the correct message. Perhaps the Admonition isn't intended for strictly organic or strictly synthetic life, and the former Borg will be the ones to make sense of it all as Seven flies off as Queen of her own benign version of the Collective. How that would work with these semi-organic androids, though, is anyone's best guess. Too many plots holes, not enough answers.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Oh yeah, V’ger. Nah. Probably not. I don’t think...At least we know they can’t bring back Persis Khambatta (dead) or Stephen Collins (#Cancelled).
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Maybe they’ll recast Picard as a younger actor! They wouldn’t dare..."
Recast with a younger actor? No. But they spent a significant portion of the episode bringing back up the idea that Picard is about to croak, and then suddenly introduced the idea of putting dying people's minds into robot bodies. So, either they're going to put Picard into an android, or they're going to do some thing where people try to convince him to do that, but he makes some sort of noble choice not to or something.
I mean, if they don't do something like that, what was even the point of any of that?
Of course, if he does end up getting mind-transferred, what's going to be their explanation for why his robot body still looks 94 years old?
"Wait, androids can learn to do mindmelds? Uh..."
My guess is that someone remembered that Data could do the neck pinch and just thought "yeah, androids can do fancy Vulcan tricks" without considering that one of those things just involves grabbing someone in the right spot, and the other involves having actual telepathic powers built in to your nervous system. I mean, maybe you could make an android with that ability. But, either an android is built specifically to be able to do mind melds or not. It's not something any old android could just take an interest in and "learn".
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I don't entirely buy the idea of a synth being able to initiate a mind meld either, but considering that Spock was able to perform a meld with frikkin' Nomad, it's not quite THAT ridiculous.
I've also seen some speculation that Altan Soong is actually Lore. While that might or might not be the case, I'm pretty sure that most of the synths in this little village were probably built from knowledge and those mystical positronic neurons which actually came from Lore's disassembled remains, not from Data.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I'm also not buying Soji going from being a normal human being to the full "must... destroy... mankind..!" man-hatin' android in the space of, what, three days?
Sure, hell hath no fury like a woman gaslit by a fanatical Romulan secret agent, but still.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
But she was ACTIVATED...!
A thought I had. Dahj & Soji are obviously anatomically correct, so...are the Maddox Family? Can they..breed?
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
“Dammit, Jim, she’s a sentient being, not a loyalty card!”
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