I read over at TrekBBS that John Eaves had done pre-TOS designs that were not based on modern ship designs. Berman saw the designs, said no, and commanded Eaves to modify the Akira. This is from Rick Sternbach.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
And we're all surprised at this how..?
Mark
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
If that's true, then it's too bad that Eaves is getting dumped on by the fans for his design, when it actually wasn't his choice.
One wonders why Alex Jaeger doesn't just sue Eaves/Berman for copyright violation. After all, it was Jaeger who designed the Akira, and any judge with a modicum of brains would see that the Enterprise is a blatant rip-off of the Akira.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Well, I'm sure Jaeger signed one of those contracts where everything that he did on First Contact became the sole creative property of Paramount, and thus Trek. He won't see a red cent for the copious use of his deigns in Voyager and DS9...
I hope we get to see Eaves' designs somewhere, then. It'd go a long way toward restoring his street-cred.
Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :
I already knew this.. isnt this old news? or just rumor?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Eaves has street-cred?
Watch it. Pretty soon someone wil declare that Mike Okuda is "In the house." And that he's "bitchin'".
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, he is...
:-)
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
I have it on good authority that he's also phat.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
What about Da Bomb... or is that now too mid-nineties!?! Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
We hate it when you try to talk like us.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Watch it. Pretty soon someone wil declare that Mike Okuda is "In the house." And that he's "bitchin'".
Well, Psy, that someone is me.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
You guys are never gonna believe the really, truly f*cked up dream I had last night.
I dreamed that Rick Berman fell into my swimming pool and turned into a whale, and then tried to eat me. I escaped, and he was trapped in my pool.
So I brought my friends over and showed them this whale that was trapped in my pool that had once been Rick Berman.
He kind of just stayed there for a while, until an earthquake cracked the pool and he drowned.
Then I woke up.
I swear to God I didn't make this crap up. I actually dreamed it.
MMoM
[ July 25, 2001: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
"We hate it when you try to talk like us."
Whose doing the what now? You hate it when normal people talk like Star Trek nerds?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Mim: Was there a pot of petunias in your dream somewhere?
Mark
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
No, he hates it when foreigners try to talk like normal people (ie Americans).
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
You know, I just thought of something. Eaves made all these pre-TOS designs which Berman rejected in favor of the Akiraprise. But that doesn't mean that we won't see these designs as other Year One-Starfleet vessels throughout the course of the show. Berman wanted the Enterprise to look like his favorite design, and he got what he wanted. However, if other ships have to be presented, he probably won't be as heavy-handed in their designs (unless for some reason every other Starfleet ship of the period is Enterprise-class...highly doubtful).
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
You know, that is true. The only time I remember the producers being rather heavy-handed in ship design was for the principle ship (or station) of the series. After that, they really don't give a care about the ships or the reuse and modification of ships to make new ships.
Sternbach had to go through three or four designs before the current incarnation of Voyager was deemed acceptable. Whoever did the Defiant had gone through quite a few designs, too. But when it came time for Sternbach to do the Nova, he simply whipped out the pathfinder design from the DS9 tech manual and modifiied it. It was accepted with no problem from the producers.
I can guarantee that see some of those other designs. After all, this is a radical shift in time for the series, so all ships will need to be new designs. Nothing from even TOS can be reused in Enterprise. So we will be seeing Eaves' other designs popping up.
Posted by Tahna Los (Member # 33) on :
Ya know, I kinda figured something was up when the design came out.
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
Personally... Had I been asked to create such an obviously unoriginal design like the Akiraprise. I would have turned in my resignation.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
And thus lost any chance to produce better (in your opinion) ships down the road, when they want "Starfleet ships of the week".
Oh, and also giving up what I'm sure is a fairly healthy salary.
What is Probert doing now?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Nothing at the moment, though he's apparently hoping to get a job on the new Battlestar Galactica.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
