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Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :
 
I'm surprised that no one has made a review post about this episode yet. One usually pops up 5 minutes after an episode ends. Here are my thoughts.

Liked:
The 1000 yard football throws.

The designs for the Nausicaan ships. I'm definetly using some of those design elements in my future lego starfighter designs. One of the smaller Nausicaan ships had kind of a Steamrunner class look to it. The warp engines were attached right on top of the main hull with the bridge between them, but there wasn't a deflector dish hanging off the back ends of the engines.

The story was good.

The transporter was NOT used to save the day.

Dislikes:

Archer suddenly becoming a flower boy and deciding to let the Nausicanns go without so much as a scolding really pissed me off. For god's sake, those people are running around and killing frighter crews and stealing their cargo! If it had been me, I would have laid waste to as much of the Nausicaan base as I could and then I would have given Starfleet the location of the pirate cartel's base so that the can send in a few ships and finish the job. That whole, "Lets not piss off the Nausicaans or they will CONTINUE (notice I didn't use the word, 'start') to kill our people and steal their cargo." message that we got from Maywether and Archer was absolutly idiotic in my humble opinion. They didn't seem to relize that even if they DON'T piss them off, which is something they failed to do for the most part, the Nausicanns will still be killing and stealing. Other than that, I thought it was a good episode.

I swear, if Bernd gives this episode an unfair rating of a 1 or a 2 like he did with the Andorian Incedent.......

[ November 22, 2001: Message edited by: MIB ]


 
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
 
Beware: I'm trying to download it tomorrow.
 
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
As usual, I'll wait till Tuesday until it has spread to enough fast users on Morpheus/KaZaA...

[ November 22, 2001: Message edited by: Harry ]


 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Anyone legitimate want to give us a review, so we know whether MIB's telling the truth or not?
 
Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :
 
This little review is ligit. I'm not pulling it out of my ass this time.
 
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
 
The Ep definitely had some great information stuff in there about the human culture of boomers (Space-Boom-ers: I didn't realize that before). Got to see Nausicaans with an explanation of the origins of their strained relationship w/ humanity. Got to see some old style weapons and as The_Tom put it, some great continuity porn with the freight vessel classing structure. There were some pretty fantastic CG shots and a couple brief high energy firefights.

Unfortunately I think they missed a couple of chances for some really interesting drama. The most obvious of which would be for Archer to get conflicted about what to do with the Nausicaans. I thought his gut reaction when he sees the human ship under attack by the Nausicaans would be to open up on the Nausicaans, and sort it all out later. I mean, he wouldn't do that, but maybe he "belays that order" or something and instead has Hoshi try to raise the ships on coms instead.

I also felt the backstory of the Boomer first officer was a bit much. It reminded me of MIB's false spoilers about the USS Indianpolis scene from Jaws with Robert Shaw (except far less interesting). On the other hand I liked the way the scene was handled where Ryan and Mayweather are sharing Boomer stories. Where Ryan tells him that his parents were on the North Star and it isn't overtly explained what happened right away. I also liked the line "You know that's not what we're saying." where Archer confronts Ryan about the Nausicaan captive. Ryan seemed to consent a bit too easily here and as MIB brought up, I thought he capitulated far too easily at the climax (I think he'd need to be wounded or his buddy would have to be killed before he saw the light). So, I didn't buy a couple of things about Ryan's character, but I thought it was a pretty good episode over all...

[ November 22, 2001: Message edited by: Balaam Xumucane ]


 
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
My big like: These humans are definitely NOT the same type of humans seen in TNG. They are much more contemporary and believable than the touchy-feely 24th century man. I liked how they portrayed freight runs as a life-or-death, generational, family experience, with the long distances attributed with warp one travel through potentially hostile territory.
 
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Yeah, I don't know if I buy Ryan's dislike of anything better then the Warp 1.8 engine. Isn't that sort of like a cross-country 18-wheeler driver saying "I don't need a new improved power source that would cut my gas cost to zero!"
 
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
Whatwhatwhat? Old-style weapons?
 
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
They're an "energy" based weapon, but I think the implication is that they're akin to the "rifle" we saw in "Broken Bow" -- they're not the most modern ...
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
I don't really understand the term "space boomer". Why would people start having a bunch of kids just because they were in space?
 
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
 
I don't think it's supposed to be like a baby-boomer thing. More like a Miner Fourty-Niner, unsw. Like the parents would be boomers and then so would their kids; getting in on all that space freight booty. No, no, I meant... nevermind...
 
Posted by Alshrim (Member # 258) on :
 
As a whole I like the ep. It furthers my opinion that Enterprise will be one of the best ST: Series.

Likes:

T'Pol finally works WITH the crew - not against. We get to see her interact with the young'uns on the freighter .. she's loosening up a bit now... that's good to see.

I loved the Nausican's ships .. they really looked cool.

I liked the history lessons on the Boomers - it was good to see that side of humanity. Real 'Caravan/Gypsy' type stuff ...

Cool facts about more NX-Class ships coming out.. Wonder when they're gonna start announcing deep-space stations.. Starbases.. So that if maintenance is required for the Enterprise they don't have to double-back so far.

Anyone have any idea how far they've gone so far? And in which direction?

Dislikes:

I think that the scenes between Ryan and Mayweather could have been better! The acting was a little iffy and strained - on both of them ... I'll chalk that up to - first season syndrome... but Mayweather seemed to struggle thru all the high-drama scenes.

When it comes to playing the ensign, wide-eyed in the heat of danger .. he's good.. High-Drama .. I felt he struggled thru it all, a little. <-- this is not a major issue for me .. just a little observation.

I agree with Balaam - Ryan gave up too easily at the end. One minute.. he wants to kill them; Mayweather says - their gonna kill you all - he gives up..

And is it just me - or does archer always fight with Torpedoes?? Do they not have a plasma weapon? I'm a little unsure on that!

On the whole, it was an entertaining episode. Not enough Phlox - I love his character.. but his ep is coming. WE learn more about Mayweather. We haven't seen much of him .. so this was a good spotlight for him.
 


Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
Mayweather's acting came off on me as the same type of thing we saw with Geordi LaForge in the first season of TNG (although at least Travis doesn't yell things like "Yippee"). But in all fairness, he did have some good moments.
 
Posted by Alshrim (Member # 258) on :
 
Agreed Dukhat .. That's what I was suggesting is .. his 'overacting' etc... is part of 'first-season syndrome'.

I have no doubt it will get better.
 


Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
There are rules about how to deal with pirates. Sometimes you're supposed to blow them up. Sometimes you're supposed to arrest them. It would have helped if Archer would have explained what exactly the rules in this situation were.

I really liked this episode. Neat ships, neat story, etc. But...

Is there anyone remotely likeable in the entire galaxy at this point? Anger and resentment over Starfleet trying to control a situation I can understand. Firing at Starfleet vessels and trying to kill Starfleet personnel? That feels like an awfully extreme reaction.
 


Posted by StyroFoam Man (Member # 706) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TSN:
I don't really understand the term "space boomer". Why would people start having a bunch of kids just because they were in space?

Ok, so you're in a small space with limited entertainment facilites... What would you do?

Didn't think I'd have to EXPLAIN that.
 


Posted by Raw Cadet (Member # 725) on :
 
Yes, but the reason we have Baby "Boomers" is because they were a part of a baby "boom," a population explosion. Unless there are an ungodly number of children being born in space, the term boomer seems to be a misnomer in its application here.

[ November 23, 2001: Message edited by: Raw Cadet ]


 
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
Overall, I liked "Fortunate Son." I think it was a well-built episode, and it gave Ensign Mayweather some pretty good scenes. Lieutenant Reed still needs some time in the character development chamber, though.

I think the scenes with Ryan and Mayweather could have been a bit better. The resentment that Ryan felt over Mayweather's going into Starfleet could have been a bit sharper if the conversation over Mayweather's enlistment was more gradually with a greater amount of time spent on the reaction of Mayweather's family and the Horizon's crew. It was a little fuzzy. Ryan could have been a bit more defined, I feel. The backstory presented could have been done in a way that would have allowed the audience to feel for him and sympathize with him. Instead, he kind of came off as a revenge-minded lunatic with delusions of godhood.

I liked the modular design of the Fortunate with her nacelles tucked into the underside of the hull. Seems like a fairly sensible design for a cargo ship. It actually reminded me a bit of today's 18 wheelers. I don't think the hull of the cargo modules are strong or well built, though. When Ryan punches a hole in the hull, it looks like the hull is incredible thin. Probably short-sightedness on the part of the VFX crew for the shot and the writers for having the hole being created so easily. The Nausican ships were a fairly nice design. They look more like little fighters than raiders, though. No transporter technology, since it had to dock to the side of the Fortunate. Did it use a tractor beam or grapplers to snag the Fortunate? I can't remember too clearly.

The conclusion to the episode was all right, but it left me wanting a bit more from Mayweather's solo at the end. I think it could have been more believable if the relationship between Mayweather and Ryan had been better scripted in the beginning. I also think that it was a bit too easy to convince Ryan to give up his hostage. I think that part could have been run through another editor's desk for refinement. As far as Archer's decision goes, I have conflicting thoughts on the matter. On the one hand, I could see keeping him in custody and arresting the other Nausicans that led the raid on the Fortunate. On the other hand, the Fortunate did get some revenge on the Nausicans by discovering one of their bases and attacking quite a few of their ships. I would have liked to have seen the Nausicans taken into custody by Archer, but that couldn't have really happened since Archer's first priority was to do whatever to protect the Fortunate.

One interesting point that this episode brings up is that it seems Starfleet is a relatively weak organization in the fabric of human affairs. Archer had no jurisdiction to give orders to the Fortunate's crew despite it being an Earth cargo ship. Archer also couldn't override the Fortunate's captain and take Ryan back to Earth to face charges of starting an galactic incident. I guess part of this could be because Starfleet is relatively young and small.

As for the other assorted tidbits from the episodes, I found them interesting. The Enterprise's class is NX Class. This is in keeping with the DY-class cargo ships and the Y-class ships mentioned earlier. Also, didn't Mayweather say the Horizon was a J-class cargo ship? Seems that Earth is sticking to letters for categorizing ship designs. There are also three more NX-class ships slated for production. Given the state of humans technology and the Starfleet's waiting for shakedown reports from Enterprise (I hope they're doing this), I would guess we wouldn't be seeing another NX-class ship for another couple years. Maybe. I also liked that Enterprise's systems need a bit longer for repair (the long-range sensors needed four hours) and the limited capabilities of the short-range sensors in picking up the Nausican hostage. Also, I appreciated the restraint in using the transporter.
 


Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
So, the hull was thin enough that a couple shots from whatever-kind-of-gun-that-was could put a hole through it, but it was strong enough to not explode when all that air started rushing out? Hm...
 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
I'm not at all sure that those things are mutually exclusive. They might be, I'm just not sure is all.

Still, the hulls of modern spacecraft are often flimsier than might be expected. Assuming you keep the interior pressures at sea level, that isn't a great deal of force to counteract, all things considered. The human body seems to handle it pretty well, for instance. But, to stretch my analogy a bit, if you put a few chunks of plasma on one, you'll get a hole.
 


Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Uh ... I didn't see the whole episode, but is it possible the wall he hit was an interior bulkhead, and thus not as strong?
 
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
It was an exterior wall that Ryan shot with his pistol. He fired three times at the wall, turned around, and walked through the hatch connecting the module to the shipframe.

Anyway, I just found it kind of odd as I was watching the episode. It wasn't so much the three shots that blasted the small hole in the side so much as that the impression I got from the VFX sequence was that the hull width was really thinner than what I would have imagined.
 


Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
"The human body seems to handle it pretty well, for instance."

Maybe it's just me, but I'm pretty sure my human body couldn't hold up against the near-vacuum of outer space...
 


Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Well, it wouldn't be able to maintain its regular level of functioning for long, but structurally? Sure. People don't explode in vaccum.
 
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
They don't? Well, damn, Knight Rider just lost some credibility with that tidbit of information. You see, in the third season episode "KITT vs. KARR," KARR has the guest star's girlfriend in the front seat and threatens to create a vaccuum in the passenger compartment which would cause her body to explode. The guest star ultimately surrenders to KARR and agrees to be present at the final battle as KARR uses the stolen double-intensity laser meant for KITT against him.

Damn it, quit looking at me like that!

[ November 26, 2001: Message edited by: Siegfried ]


 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
But if your body were full of air, and someone poked a hole in it while you were in the vacuum?
 
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
I'd worry about somebody poking an extra hole in me even if I weren't in vacuum. Especially one that would let the air out. That would either spell the collapse of one of my lungs, or mean that my throat just got an amateur trachaeotomy (and thus my major arteries might be gone as well, which is far more serious than the opening of the new ventilation hole).

But no, I still won't let anybody carry a plasma pistol with him when he walks inside me while I'm in vacuum. That's bad policy.

Timo Saloniemi
 


Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
 
You're my hero Siegfried.
 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
I like metaphors.

Anyway, I don't think that the force of the air through the hole would necessarily be strong enough to make it larger. But I freely confess a lack of data. Tell you what, TSN. You get the vaccum chamber, I'll bring the plasma. Then we just need a volunteer...
 


Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Me!
 
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Are you that upset at being labeled "The Guy Who Calls It 'Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope: Special Edition' In Casual Conversation" that you want to kill yourself? Don't do it, Mim! Don't do it!


 


Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Do it! Do it! Jump!
 


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