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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

In the DS9 ep I saw yesterday (don't know the name) Odo mentioned the USS Constellation.

The Constellation and the Defiant was supposed to look for Sisko, who was on the USS Honshu, wich had been attacked by Cardies.

In the first scene, you see a Yeager class (UGLY!!) and the Defiant docked at DS9. So, if the Const. and the D where the only ships there, as I think Odo said, the Yeager I saw must have been the USS Constellation.

(It's the latest ep i've seen, so I don't know if there have been any topics abut this before)

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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :

Your explanation sounds good to me, Prakesh. It does seem unappropriate to give a distinguished name like Constellation to a crappy Yeager though. Even so, I'd be highly surprised if the prototype Constellation was still in one piece.

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

What's wrong with the Yeager? I think it looks pretty nifty

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Posted by Delta Vega (Member # 283) on :

*agrees with Fabrux*

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :

I'm not going to be surprised if it turns out to be a Yeager Class, I mean remember the Excelsior Class USS Farragut?

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Delta Vega: It's about time I found someone who likes the Yeager!

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

I like it.

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

It's fine...if you like kitbashes that look like cat puke.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Wasn't the Constellation also mentioned in an earlier DS9 ep? I seem to recall that the encyclopedia claims that it's the original Constellation-class one. Of course, if we could find evidence that a Yeager was around in that ep, too, we might have something...

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Not to be a spoilsport or anything, but even if there was a given ship at DS9 at the beginning of the show, what is to say that she was available later in the show? Perhaps she sped in the opposite direction soon thereafter, or had strict orders not to abandon DS9?

And yes, I'd like give the name Constellation to a bit larger ship, too. And take it away from the old Constellation-class tub as soon as possible - that ship no longer is worthy of it! In fact, I'd postulate a Nebula-class Constellation from the 2350s onwards (although not a preceding Ambassador or Excelsior - the old NCC-1974 should soldier on to mid-24th century so that the Stargazer wouldn't look so outdated and out-of-place).

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

I love the Yeager class! To me it ranks as high as the Miranda Class when it comes to kitbashes.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Timo: Immediately after the shot of the Yeager and the Defiant at DS9, Odo said that the Constellation and the D where the only ships.

PS I don't think the 'real' Yeager has a Maquis-but, but some pre-Intrepid folding nacelle pylons, wich explains the wings.

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Altair: Miranda Class- NOT a kitbash!! A kitbash is a modeling term that describes a ship made of prexisting ship parts. The Miranda had a custum built saucer and Nacelles that resmebled the constitution class but that were also custum built. They would have had to have been seeing as the struts attach to the top and not the bottom of the nacelles like the Const. Class'.

The Yeager Class MODEL is a kitbash. It was constructed from a Voyager model's saucer and nacelles and a Maquis raider. I do agree with Prekesh though that if we were to examine the 'real' Yeager up close we would find that it is quite different from the model. When and if I can get ahold of another Voy and Maquis model, I'm going to incorporate a deflector under the saucer and some other minor modifications to differentiate the engineering hull from the Maquis raider.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

We're mixing our meanings of Kitbash here peoples, kitbash is the name for how they made the model - but irrespective of that - in the real world - i.e. the Star Trek one

They would just stick parts together like that - ok the might but SOME thought and there must be SOME reason for them to do it...

Who is to say that in the Star Trek universe someone just went hey I know lets stick the nacelles on the bottom of the saucer section with out a bulky engineering section!?!

YEAH GREAT IDEA! One problem - deflector and torpedo problems.

I already thought of that - just at a rollbar here and some deflector nodules here... and Surak's your uncle.

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Aban: No need to add a deflector. The Intrepid saucer already has one.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Hmmm.. sorry about that kitbash misunderstanding...
But the Yeager is still one of the best kitbashes.

And the Yeager has some 'thing' sticking out where the Intrepid has it's main deflector. That is a very good place to put torpedo launcher:

(Click on the image to get a larger version)

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Posted by Justin_Timberland (Member # 236) on :

That thing sticking out would be a good place to put foward torpedo launchers since the Intrepid saucer only has aft launchers.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

The Intrepid has two forward torp launchers,
just above the navigational deflector, but never mind, that doesn't matter anymore
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Parkesh, I think you didn't get the point:

We all know that the Intrepid Class houses the forward torpedo's in the secondary hull! But since that part is missing on the Yeager Class, we were looking for another good spot. And I think we found it.

As for the aft topedo launchers, they are on the saucer section, so that means they didn't have to put that somewhere else on the Yeager Class.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Parkesh: Sorry about that, I didn't want to sound rude.

Anyway, I always thought that the Yeager Class was somekind of cargo ship, until I realised that the Federation has those nice 'block' ships as cargo ships.
So what type of ship do you think the Yeager Class would be?

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

If we use WWII analogies, she's yet another cruiser (a light cruiser, preferably) tasked with escort duties, scouting and the like but not supposed to be very powerful in battle. She's probably fast like her near-sister Intrepid, and lightly armed.

If we don't use WWII analogies, then the sky's the limit. Depending on how Rick Sternbach decides to designate the Voyager when the time for that comes, the Yeager should be of the same designation. With possibly a "light" prefix to account for the lost secondary hull .

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Light... as in Intrepid Light...

you know like Diet Intrepid...

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

That "thing" sticking out under the saucer is the front part of the Maquis Raider model they stuck on the butt of the Voyager model's saucer. That diagram is not accurate much like most of the diagrams in the DS9 Tech Man.

Fabrux: Yeah, I know the Intrepid comes complete with a secondary nev def on the front part of the saucer (this could be used as the Yeager's main nav def). I just thought it would be nice to customize =)

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Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :

The USS Constellation mentioned in the episode when the Honshu was destroyed could be the Constellation Class ship which is mentioned in the Star Trek Encyclopedia III.

I could be wrong but it seems unlikely that this ship would still be in service after 90 years but then again the USS Excelsior is still around

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Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :

In the star trek encyclopedia its been speculated that the Constellation mentioned is the Constellation Class ship but that means its been in service for over 80 years. This seems very unlikely but then again many of the excelsior class ships are still in service such as the USS Excelsior.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

The U.S.S Excelsior can't still be in service, can it?

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

A USS Excelsior was mentioned in "Interface", and most people believe it is the Excelsior Class Prototype.

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Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :

However the excelsior is not the oldest ship in the fleet since the gettysburg is also in service(we assume its the constellation class vessel). However the oldest is the uss republic (constitution class refit) and its a cadet training ship but rarely leaves the sol system.

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Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :

I think the Excelsior mentioned in Interfaces is the NCC-2000 ship

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Posted by Marko Latin on :

Wasn't the USS Excelsior decomissioned?

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

1) The USS Gettysburg is almost definatly not Constellation. Since we know the USS Hathaway was retired after 80 years of service, it's safe to assume the Gettysburg would be retired by now.

2) The USS Republic mentioned on "Valiant" has not been confirmed as the ship from TOS, and was only said to have "never left the Solar System in 50 years", so should could be younger then you think.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Could be. But I personally get a bit of a nostalgic thrill in thinking that it is indeed the original USS Republic, Constitution class.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

The Gettysburg could still be a Constellation. The Constellation seen in, uh... "Redemption", was it?... was probably labelled as the Valkyrie, whose registry is back there in the 2000s...

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Actually, that was labeled with the Hathaway's registry, or at least it appeared to be.

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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :

The Hathaway was NCC-2593 but the Valkyrie was NCC-2590. They were likely launched the same year.

If the Constellation NX/NCC-1974 was the one in that DS9 episode then the ship would have been >90 years old. That's exceptionally old regardless of class.

Again, the Excelsior NCC-2000 would have been ~85 years old at the time of "Interface".

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Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :

The gettysburg and the Constellation could still be in service with the proper upgrades and we have the constitiution class variant in service in 2373 so anything is possible.

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

I wouldn't deny that Constellation class ships might be still in service. After all, we wouldn't think that all Ambassadors have been decommissioned only because we haven't seen them for years. However, taking into account how old the Constellation, Gettysburg and also the Excelsior would be by now, it is more probable that all these ships have been decommissioned. After all there seem to be many ships of newer classes already out of service (Qualor II depot).

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Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :

I agree with your arguments about the Constellation ships but the Encyclopedia III suggests that they are still in service so I assume that some might be in service. They might be in active service but no longer in the front lines unlike the nebulas and excelsiors.

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Hmm... In what circumstances would Paramount reuse the Constellation model? Trek is now rapidly moving towards mostly CGI effects. The old model might be a liability - it wouldn't get converted into CGI unless there was a plot requirement for it specifically. Probably most of the Starfleet ships from now on will be those created for ST:FC (Akira, Steamrunner, Saber, perhaps Norway, Defiant, Sovereign), those mapped into CGI for late DS9 (Excelsior, Miranda), and completely new designs introduced either for story needs (Nova) or for filler material.

I also doubt Paramount will do much kitbashing in the future in the style of Centaur or Curry or Yeager any more, not with the CGI option available for potentially cheaper and better-looking 'bashes. And there's little in the way of footage on the Constellations or other such designs that could be used - most of it is low-quality static shots from primitive early TNG episodes. Only the Excelsiors have good all-around stock footage from TNG.

All that said, I think we can safely assume that there will be no more Constellations, no matter what the Encyclopedia says or doesn't dare say.

Timo Salonemi

Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :

Even if we don't see the Constellation Class again i still believe some are still in service such as ones seen in TNG. They may be old but i still believe they are somewhere in the federation. But again i think their time has passed.

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Posted by bear (Member # 124) on :

Bear is going to miss the constellations.....
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Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :

I miss the Constitution Class Starships more especially the refit version 2285 in st:III

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