Didn't Nemecek say that it was Sternbach who was tasked with originally designing the Pegasus? Perhaps after the makers of the Cheyenne model (Jein?) were denied the funds for detailing of that model, Rick derived inspiration from their attempt in creating the Pegasus.
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Posted by Justin_Timberland (Member # 236) on :
It would have been great to see at least a Cheyenne Class, even two. I'm wondering why wouldn't the Cheyenne Class that was built for Wolf 359 not used. It looked good, unless when the meant decent they meant lit up like a Christmas tree.
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
I think it was mostly a lighting issue, although the original model may also have had too few mounting points or been too wobbly or something. Or perhaps motion-control photography required a bigger model than one created out of E-D plastic kit parts? The surface detail was certainly sufficient for most shots, even if not quite as detailed as in the big "hero ships".
A few Cheyennes would have been nice in the DS9 fleet action scenes. They'd have been easy to recognize at a distance...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
I started this topic before I found a reference to these pics of what I consider to be the Saladin- and Ptolemy-class starships: http://w1.314.telia.com/~u31412332/new/mod.htm Therefore I�m posting them now.
They can be seen on a bridgeconsole during the Kobayashi Maru-simulation.
I took these screencaps myself and as you can see, they are not very good. My screencap-hardware is rather old. So if anyone has any better pics, please get in touch:-)
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
hey nice work
I know a lot of you don't think that they should be 'official' - I too have hated the one nacelle ship - but seeing as we have seemed to have accepted the Freedom - why not the TOS versions? You could always have two rows of warp coils with in the one nacelle!?!
I wouldn't mind seeing a vid cap of the ship from Data's scan of the files in Picard's Ready Room - on his display device... you have to slow mow through the rapidly moving images - its almost klingon in design - If I remember correctly - oh - BTW it was from "Conspiracy" - also - have a good look - there might be some other interesting info tidbits on other 'screens' that Data looks at.
Andrew
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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Ships on screens (padd�s?) from "Conspiracy", that�s interesting. Have you seen anymore unusual screenshots?
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
The data dumps in "Conspiracy" and "The Last Outpost" and also in "The Naked Now" seem to show a refitted Constitution, a Klingon K't'inga battlecruiser, an Orion Wanderer from the SFB RPG, two different system maps, a partial cutout of a starbase, an an unidentifiable slightly Klingon-looking ship or station design, in addition to rows after rows of gibberish - and one picture of a big parrot with Gene Roddenberry's head!
It would be nice to know where all that material came from - it must be some sort of fan publication material like the Saladin/Hermes and Ptolemy pictures in STII were.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Here's the Orion ship from those displays:
http://frankg.dgne.com/utopics/fasaship.jpg
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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Thanks Timo, anything else you might remember? I just love those obscure ships we only see on monitors and way, way in the background.
BTW, I think the Freedom-class and it�s TOS predecessors Saladin- and Hermes-class starships are really cool.
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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Thanks Frank, that is a cool ship. Excuse a stupid question, but since that ship was shown on the show, and therefore official, what then is FASA?
BTW, is it OK if I use that pic on my page with a reference to you?
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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Is this the possible modified workbee: http://frankg.dgne.com/sff/shipyards6.jpg
someone called this a possible sphinx workpod, right?
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
What class of ship is that directly below Voyager (over to the left there)? It looks vaguely like an Akira but not really.
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Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
Sorry for answering to this specific subject so late, but unfortunately I didn't visit the thread earlier:
Sol System: Great, we've got the same mousepad.
I agree the whateveritis MIGHT be a small freighter or such, but then again, who knows?
Ultra Magnus, what's wrong with having a Trek mousepad? ;-)
Anyway, there seems to be another "real" Mystery-ship. I've often heard of an Oberth Class ship that's supposed to be visible in Spacedock in the final scenes of Star Trek IV. I could never make it out in any scene in that film. Is there anyone who knows about that mystery-Oberth?
Oh, and about that Akiraesque ship in the Timeless screencap, I believe it is an Akira - just not finished - after all it's a shipyard and you wouldn't expect to see only completed starships. I quite like these half-finished ships like the Galaxy you see in one of the shots.
I know the following doesn't quite belong in this section, just thought it might be worth mentioning. In my thread about my model-LEGO ships I decribed my Nebula class - I forgot to mention that I also built a second Nebula in the final stages of construction. Looks quite similar to some of the ships in Timeless.
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well that Data view screen ship - it maybe a FASA orion ship?? Shouldn't we fit it in with known Trek law?
Maybe it is an Orion Syndicate ship?
It looks sort of unseen pre Vorcha Klingon to me - with the rounded front piece and the 'block' on top of the long "neck"
Andrew
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
The workbee in the Utopia Planitia scene is just the standard 'bee - but with a waldo assembly that is not the rounded one used in ST:TMP. Instead, if I am correct, it is the angular manipulator system ORIGINALLY designed for the pod by Probert, as documented in "Mr Scott's Guide"! As far as I know, the ST:TMP waldo system did not have those inward-turned underbelly "flippers", while the original angular system did.
So probably somebody did a bit of CGI as a hobby project here, using "Mr Scott's Guide" as the inspiration. This ain't the Sphinx, but it is almost as good! Heck, this could be the improvement Picard was working on in "Coming of Age"...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
Wait, I need consensus here. Is Joseph's book official (regarding ships)?
Agree or disagree
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Posted by Captain Stark (Member # 70) on :
The Orion ship shown on Data's screen is the Orion Wander Class Starship from the FASA material. I've noticed between ST:TMP to Voyager that on screen graphics, i.e. Okudagrams (or even background info) that has come from the Franz Joseph Tech Manual, FASA, Worlds of the Federation and others. I usually count the image and any information that was on screen with the image as factual (like the stats for the destroyer seen from FJTM on a background screen in STII: TWOK) So in the case of the Orion ship on Data's screen, it only showed the ship, not any of the information from the FASA books.
Basicly its more pieces to the big puzzle we are all trying to put together.
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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Captain Stark: Hmm, cool tidbits. Can you be more specific? Exactly which ships have we seen or have gotten information on in various computerdisplays? Do you have screencaps?
Perhaps you can identify my screencaps? They are from TNG "Conspiracy" http://w1.314.telia.com/~u31412332/scifi/star2m2.htm
(I know the quality sucks....If anyone has better, please post them)
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Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
The first blurry screencap on http://w1.314.telia.com/~u31412332/scifi/star2m2.htm
is the Lotus Flower class Neutronic Fuel Carrier from FASA - a civilian ship. The second is very hard to make out but it might be the Romulan Nova class Battleship also from FASA. The third we already know to be the Orion Wanderer class Blockade Runner.
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
pIN - can I get credit for spotting the space dock cargo vessel
Hey I'm sure I'm not the ONLY one 
Andrew
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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Identity crisis: Thanks for the identification of my blurry screencaps. I�ll mention it on my webpage with my next update. Can I find pics of the FASA ships somewhere? It would be cool to complement my screencaps with actual pics from FASA.
AndrewR: yeah, sure, I�ll mention it on my webpage with my next update.
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Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
You should be able to find the Lotus Flower and Nova on shipschematics.net.
The Wanderer is an Orion ship and, last time I talked to him about it, Jim Stevenson said that he's "not doing the Orions currently, maybe in the future."
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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
identity crisis: Hey, thanks! I absolutely agree with your identification of the Lotus class. However I don�t agree with the Romulan Nova-class. My screencap-ship looks bulkier, don�t you think?
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Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
It's so faint that I don't really know what it is. The Nova was the closest I could think of.
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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Well, just found this image: http://w1.314.telia.com/~u31412332/star-trek/seti.jpg
It�s from "Future�s end, part 1", and shows a part of a picture from the SETI office. Any ideas? Looks like one of those old NASA concepts for long-ranging spacecrafts that collects their own fuel or the one that uses nuclearbombs as engines to me.
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
That could be just about anything - a Bonestell picture of the nozzle of a conventional moon rocket, vintage 1950, for example. But it does look very much like the hemispherical fusion chamber of the so-called Daedalus ship, which was supposed to work by controlled laser fusion of deuterium (a bit smoother than just exploding H-bombs off the stern like in Project Orion - but not much). IIRC, the Daedalus wasn't a NASA study project: it was something cooked up by the BIS, or the British Interplanetary Society, and then refined by others.
The Daedalus was supposed to go to Barnard's star (some 50 ly away), using two identically shaped but differently sized stages to accelerate and launching probes as it flies past the star. Having it as close to a planet as in that picture would probably mean that a disastrous collision with a dust particle is only a fraction of a second away...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Timo: got any pics of both the daedalus-project ship and a better pic then the one I posted? I do recognice the project, didn�t remember Barnard�s star though.
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Posted by Dane Simri (Member # 272) on :
There's a pretty good picture of BIS's Daedalus concept in the book "Cosmos" by Carl Sagan. If I had a scanner I'd post it, but I don't. Sorry!
Ooooo... I found a pretty good web site on Daedalus, including some very nice pictures: http://www.aemann.demon.co.uk/daedalus/daedalus.htm
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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Just saw ST:TMP today. One can see computer displays in the Epsilon 9 station. Anyone know if there is anything interesting there?
Oh, look at the bottom of this page of mine. http://w1.314.telia.com/~u31412332/scifi/starbase3.htm
This starbase(?) keeps popping up. It was in the Kobayashi Maru scenario, on the Enterprise bridge and in ST:TNG episode "Conspiracy".
Any idea what this is?
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I can't really make out enough detail to say what exactly it is. But they do seem to be at least roughly similar.
Anyway, that second station you list is actually a model of the International Space Station, or at least what NASA says it will look like once completed.
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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
When was that Neutral Zone base seen?
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
The NASA-style station isn't the much delayed ISS, not exactly. It is instead an earlier version usually called "Space Station Fred" - it came between the original even bigger Space Station Freedom and the downscaled Space Station Alpha, which was then modified into the one with Russian components, and is again being modified to compensate for the delays in delivery of the said components...
So either Sisko is into building models of things that never really existed, of "experimental projects" and "preliminary designs" and the like (which is perfectly possible - I know of people who specialize in building aircraft-that-never-were). Or then the Trek timeline went straight to "SS Fred" and did not have to suffer all these delays and modifications. We already know that the space program of Trek was quite a bit different from ours: a military Saturn V launch in '68, six Voyager probes instead of two, DY-100 ships in the 1990s... So why not "SS Fred"?
Another possibility: In Kirk's time, records from the 1990s were "sketchy". Perhaps Sisko is in the mistaken belief that this is what the ISS looked like.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
I don�t think that the neutral zone base was ever seen. The pic itself is from the star trek card game, so it isn�t canon.
Timo: I think the idea of the space exploration going in a different direction then in our reality is the correct way to go. That would most easily explain almost everything with for example the DY-100.
And the pic of the starbase in sisko�s office is definetly not similar to the newest pics of the ISS.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
On the other hand, if Sisko does like to build or at least display models of ships never actually built, perhaps that explains the four-nacelled Nebula he had.
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Actually, I don't think Sisko ever had a four-nacelle Nebula. A Nebula study model with too long a secondary hull, yes - but a standard triangular pod was substituted for the "roll bar" of "The Wounded" tabletop model that in turn had been created by gluing extra plastic on the miniature nacelles of the "Future Imperfect" tabletop model, which in turn was originally built for "BoBW". Still with me?
But if Sisko has a nonexistent space station and a nonexistent Nebula in his office, does this mean the Daedalus class never existed, either?!?
Are there any subtle inaccuracies in his baseball?
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Dane Simri (Member # 272) on :
Wow, Timo, I never thought of that. Does someone have a good screencap of the baseball so we can count the stitches?
(Wow, this belongs in "You Know You're a Trekkie If...")
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I think the baseball was just a shaved tribble!
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Posted by Dane Simri (Member # 272) on :
I thought it was a redress of the baby hortas from TOS "Devil in the Dark."
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