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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :

I was wondering, what is the consensus regarding the wreckage scene in voyager: http://www.startrekker.net/voyager/VOY_A0.JPG
Any ships to be seen? (except voyager and the maquis vessel of course :-))
This scene was also used as cardassian wreckage in ds9, btw.

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :

Follow-up: Anymore pics of this scene anywhere? This pic isn�t all that good.

Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

There is a bright gray wreckage at the right edge of the picture, just above of the middle. It looks very familiar! I've seen this one in other threads. Wasn't that the Valiant or something?

And it looks like a Constitution II nacelle just left of that wreckage.

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

What episode is this even from?! I don't remember anything like this.

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Posted by KXZ (Member # 119) on :

It's from Caretaker. They are going to meet Neelix for the first time.

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :

The parts must have been taken from somewhere, someone must have custom-made this wreckage. Any ideas? I would love to identify at least a few of these parts. This scene is one of the very few scenes from star trek with a bit of mystery around it concerning starships.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Well, slightly up and to the right, there's a long grey thing. Is that a Galaxy-type nacelle?

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Isn't that the Merchantman from ST:TMP there directly under the Voyager?

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :

I got two new pics: http://w1.314.telia.com/~u31412331/old1/wreckdelta.jpg http://w1.314.telia.com/~u31412331/old1/wreckdelta1.jpg

A bit clearer, anyway, the picture-quality that is, not what the wreckage is ;-)

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Here are some suggestions:
http://www.uq.net.au/~zzarayfi/wreck.gif

Andrew

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Well, I doubt that they used the Freedom or Cheyenne models. But the oher ones could be right (though I don't recall what the Ferengi pod looked like; wasn't it more like a marauder, and not green?).

That thing you have labelled as maybe the transport from the DS9 credits... It also looks a little like an Imperial Star Destroyer... :-)

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :

Oh, could it be..yes! Look to the right of the suggested freedom, it�s a klingon bird-of-prey!!! ;-)

Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Looks like one, yes... In the next picture, it has either rotated to reveal a different identity, or cloaked!

A BoP would of course make great sense in both the uses of the debris field. Originally the aftermath of a Klingon-Cardassian battle, it would naturally include wreckage belonging to both sides. Many DS9 ships would be present (most Bajoran hardware is probably Cardassian stuff "nationalized" anyway). An intact BoP would also make plotline sense, especially if it cloaks by the next image... Sisko would be prefectly justified then in his fear that Klingons would ambush any ship decloaking to assist Cardassian survivors.

In the "Caretaker" use, it still makes sense for Cardassian and Klingon stuff to be here since both races were known to frequent the space near Bajor, and could have loitered to the Badlands to be captured by the Caretaker.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

That is orange not green! (re the ferengi pod)
(its upside down...) Even if its not the ferengi pod... remember in scenes such as these - things can be any which way up...

Why wouldn't they use the Cheyenne and Freedom? It was probably from established stock footage - do we forget the Qualor II junk-yard so readily - it has nearly all the ships from BOBW - presumably from stock footage...

Also this is a JUNK yard for ships from ALL over the galaxy - the caretaker didn't restrict his search to just the badlands... also the effects people were using models still not CGI - so we're going to see a lot of old models pulled out of storage...

also that isn't a BOP, it might look like it but the 'arc-shaped' piece of wreckage has the 'head and neck' of the BOP looking thing as part of the bigger bit of wreckage in front of it.

we need better screen caps! FRANK??

Andrew
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

I don't have this episode on tape.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Any friends?? (That have the episode on tape?)

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