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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
OK, we see the model of the Stargazer in Picard's ready room, and it's yellow... could it be possible that the ship was actually painted yellow!?! OK, yeah, we've seen it in "The Battle" but, Daimon Bok did say they fixed her up. (Side note, I just had deja vu typing this post!)

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
Well, the photographic model for the Constellation-class starships was never painted yellow by Paramount, that much is certain. It is another matter whether the ship represented by Picard's model was painted yellow once - but this ship is not the Stargazer. It is an unnamed ship with the registry NCC-7100.

The odds are, the yellow color is no more significant than the silvery finish of some Constitution-refit tabletop models seen in TNG, or the coppery surface of the wall-relief ships in the Observation Lounge in early TNG.

It may even be that there never was a ship registered NCC-7100. The model might be a gift from somebody aboard the Stargazer, say, Jack Crusher. And 7100 might be the vidiphone number of a special girl both Jean-Luc and Jack knew at Starbase 63. Or then young Wes Crusher, aged 2, built the ship for his dad and used an imaginary registry number (no, I don't mean NCC-7100i!).

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
 
Is that like 7100i*7099i*7098i*...?

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Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :
 
Well I don't know how helpful this is, but the mirco-machine toy of the Stargazer was yellow while all other Federationships had the gray/blue color scheme.

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Posted by Alpha Centauri (Member # 338) on :
 
I wonder how that will look on-screen, a gold-colored starship... I think it's not safe to fly such a thing, you got the Ferengi on your tail in no time!


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Posted by Joshua Bell (Member # 327) on :
 
Re: The micro machine Stargazer

Some Galoob rep once stated (on a web BBS they ran for a while) that the ship was yellow to mimic Picard's ready-room model.

Joshua

 


Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
The last time I checked, Starfleet has never painted any of their ships yellow. The Cardassians and the Kazon, yes, but not Starfleet.

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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
 
Perhaps the model was aged plastic? Have you seen some of your models with little yellow spots on it? I have and it takes a while to get it off without painting.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Why is it such a difficult concept that the model was painted yellow? It's a model, it can look however they want it to. If Picard likes the color yellow, he can have a yellow Constellation in his ready room...

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
No, that's just what we're saying!! He has to hang a wig over it every time a flag-officer visits.

Perhaps it's made of bronze and he stole it from the Starfleet Naval museum giftshop!

And a french gendarme in a wretchedly ugly hat has hunted him for twenty years!

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Posted by The_collective on :
 
Talking aboout the Stargazer, Does anybody have pictures of the bridge or the one of the Hattaway??

Sorry to bring up an old topic....
 


Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
Why are all the newbies resurrecting old threads?

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Posted by The_collective on :
 
Like I already say, I'm sorry to bring up an old topic. I was thinking starting a new one but found this one and put my question in it.
 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
And there is nothing wrong with that. It's just that for some of us oldtimers it feels like the past is stalking us, with great nasty teeth.

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Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :
 
We've run out of new things to talk about.
In all fairness, alot of the old stuff is now unavailable so its not like you can say "go read an archive".
 
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
Maybe Picard's model is made of wood? That could explain the yellowish color...

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Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
 
Re: Resurrecting old threads:
Someone once said that time was a predator that stalks us all our lives. ;-)

And the MM toy is definetely no aged plastic. It was sold that way on purpose. (Whatever the purpose).

I'd say Picard just liked his model that way. We should be glad it's not lime-green or pink, shouldn't we?

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
That ship is not the Stargazer, it has NCC-7100 on it and no name. Maybe its the first ship he was on or his last command before the Enterprise-D. As for the colour, its probably just unfinished.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Oh, come on. It is obviously the Stargazer. It has the 7100 registry on it because

a/ It was built before the "real" Stargazer was built (although the model makers intended all along for it to be the Stargazer design, and Paramount, although the almost went with the refit constitution design, eventually changed their minds).

b/ It is partially contructed using bits from a couple of AMT movie Enterprise models. Look at the engines. They are the same, no? Therefore, it has 7100 because they just used the decal sheet from those models.

c/ You see "Ncc-7100" clearly in, what, one episode?

Honestly. You'll quite happily buy that Riker's an idiot who said a completely wrong registry number for the Yamoto, but the idea that a tiny little model represents something other than the Stargazer because a tiny little registy decal is different?

Although I always found it interesting that for the one episode where Picard sees the Stargazer, he has a refit contitution model in his ready room. Tsk. Yes, I know why it was there. Don't tell me. (I wonder, if they had gone with using the Enterprise-A model, would that refit constitution model have stayed for subsequent episodes?)

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
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c/ You see "Ncc-7100" clearly in, what, one episode?

In "Who Watches the Watchers?"

Frank has a good picture on his site

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
I believe it is obviously supposed to be the Stargazer. The decal sheet explanation for the model registry is likely true. It is probably painted yellowish so as to show up better on screen.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Actually, I don't accept that Riker was an idiot and said the wrong registry for the Yamato. :-)

I'm thinking Picard simply bought that model at a rummage sale, or something, and didn't change the registry on it.

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
Maybe the rearranged decals are an homage to the rearranged decals from the earlier AMT kit used in the "The Doomsday Machine." Wasn't that ship also called "Constellation"?

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Yes. But this model existed before the class was called "Constellation". They only did that so they could dub over where people said "Constitution" in "The Battle" (it was filmed that way, then they decided to use a different ship).

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
You're saying that the model for what would eventually be called the Constellation class was built even though they were planning on using a Constitution class for the Stargazer?

I don't believe that's right. The way I heard it, they filmed the dialouge using "Connie" and planned to use a Connie for the Stargazer, but when they got to post production, they decided to build a new class and thus the Constellation Class was born. THEN the model was created for it and THEN the desk model started showing up in Picard's ready room.

Did I get something wrong?

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
I thought that they were, ship models, were given to the Captains by the crews of those vessels. Plated in gold or silver, depending on how the crews felt...

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
"The way I heard it, they filmed the dialouge using "Connie" and planned to use a Connie for the Stargazer, but when they got to post production, they decided to build a new class and thus the Constellation Class was born. THEN the model was created for it and THEN the desk model started showing up in Picard's ready room.
Did I get something wrong?"

Yes.

The Stargazer model was in Picard's ready room from Encounter at Farpoint. The only episode it isn't there is "The Battle", because Greg Jein had nicked it as a study aid while he built the full size model. Sternbach and Okuda (I think) where the ones who had always wanted the model to be the Stargazer, but the Paramount boys probably thought it'd be cheaper to reuse the Enterprise-A model.

Of course, this indicates a worrying lack of communication between the departments. The model makers thought they were using the Constellation model for the Stargazer, and the script writers thought they were using the Constitution model. Unless there was a significant amount of time between the shooting of Geordi's scene where he says "Constitution", and the shooting of all the ready room scences (which had the Ent-A model in them). Either that, or Greg Jein built the model out of his own pocket, then turned up on the Paramount lot, saying "No, you're not using the Ent-A model. You're using this. Take it. Here's my bill".

And, again, the registry number wasn't a homage to the original Constellation nicking the Amt Enterprise's decal sheet. It was the EXACT SAME THING! They'd nicked the AMT Ent-A decal sheet. Because it saved them money. And they didn't think that anyone would notice.

Although you'd think they'd have given the Constellation the registry NCC-7100, to be consistent, wouldn't you?

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
I wonder what that Constitution model was labeled, if it was labeled at all. Was it labeled "Stargazer"...

Anybody have any 'caps of it?

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Posted by The_collective on :
 
The interior of the stargazer was also similar to the one of the Constituion refit. If I'm not mistaken, it even had the same turbolift, bridge consoles and chairs.

Anyone have pictures of the interior of the Stargazer the bridge in particular?
 


Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
Well, there were two differences worth mentioning:

-the starboard turbolift was replaced by a curving corridor
-weapons were apparently controlled from the starboard side of the bridge, not the special "booth" on the port side (IIRC, we didn't get a good look at the port side at all.)

Still, the bridge looked very much like a ST2 style Constitution bridge, and rightly so, considering how the ships would seem to come from the same era and perhaps the same manufacturer.

Timo Saloniemi
 


Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
Psyliam: Thanks for clearing that up. I'll have to go back and watch my tape of Encounter and see if I can pick up the model...

You've got to admire the creative department for going to that kind of detail before the series had really even gotten off the ground.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Although there was a mcuh better reason why the Stargazer had a STII style bridge-set. It WAS the STII bridge set.

Kinda. The STI-III bridge set was used as the battle bridge. And the Stargazer bridge. And the Ent-C bridge. And the bridge of the Miranda class ship from Crappy Aging Episode. And the bridge of the pirate ship from Gambit. And the computer core from the episode with the Nanites. And about a million other things too.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
I just remembered something from the TNGTM. It says something about a yellow warp-stress visibility coating.

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Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
 
And If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon.
 
Posted by The_collective on :
 
Timo: "-weapons were apparently controlled from the starboard side of the bridge, not the special "booth" on the port side (IIRC, we didn't get a good look at the port side at all.)"

It Seem that they cover it up. I take a picture of it from the startrek.com promo video. here's the link:
http://www.geocities.com/wwf_4_ever_316/StargazerBridgeLeft.html

Anyone got better pictures???

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
That's all we need to see... The Stargazer bridge takes the aft third of the move set bridge, ie. the part that we see as the E-D battle bridge in the first season, and complete it with the battle bridge set slightly modified to remove the doors at the foreward port. You can see the BB viewer at the front.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Look at the yellow 'Stargazer'/'7100' model... its not just entirely yellow... the other parts have been painted their correct colours - the greebly bits... but the hull is just a yellow instead of the white/grey... maybe that ship could be the "mysterious ship of Picard's" from his missing years between his command of the Stargazer and his command of the Enterprise-D?


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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
quote:
maybe that ship could be the "mysterious ship of Picard's" from his missing years between his command of the Stargazer and his command of the Enterprise-D?

Pray tell, what is this all about?

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Basically, noone knows what Picard did from his Courtmartial after the loss of the Stargazer to his commission as the Captain of the Enterprise-D Supposedly there was about 20 years in between... I think.

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
Not quite that much. Picard lost the Stargazer in 2355, and got command of the E-D in 2364. That's still some nine years of mystery.

Just before taking command of the E-D, Picard apparently met Tasha Yar while aboard a starship. A bit earlier, he had met Geordi LaForge while traveling aboard a shuttle. But that's pretty much all we know of his mystery years.

While we have no further datapoints of what happened to Picard in that time, we know what didn't happen. He didn't spend time with Beverly Crusher (since it's something of a recurring theme in early TNG that there remains much to be said between them, and contact after the death of Jack Crusher in 2354 seems unlikely). He didn't get promoted to flag rank and then demoted (or this would have come up during, say, "Coming of Age"). He didn't serve aboard a ship that would have had children aboard (he says so much in "Encounter at Farpoint"). And he did not establish a family he'd later tragically lose ("Generations" makes it clear that he's always been a swinging single).

Another ship to command is a possibility, as is a desk job or a stint at SF Intelligence cloak-and-dagger jobs, or a long SF Xenoarchaeology expedition.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Serving onboard another Constellation class could fit?

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Too dull, I think. I can't imagine they just give out Enterprise's to anyone. Whatever Picard was doing, I'd bet it was pretty important and/or high profile.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
It's a good bet that whatever he did on that assignment was what gained him the command of the Enterprise. After Harriman, I don't think Starfleet hands their flagship out to just anyone. Jean-Luc Picard had to be the best and the brightest to gain that command ... and he did.

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
If I remember right, FASA had Picard taking some sort of desk job as head of diplomatic relations or something like that...or some sort of "temporary ambassadorship" or attach. I think it was in his bio in their TNG 1st-year sourcebook. Probably wrong, though.

Another thought: For those 9 years, Picard could have been the Starfleet version of Marko Ramius, taking out & testdriving new ships. He may have been plankowner of both Galaxy & Yamato, helping to handpick whoever would get them in the end.

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Posted by BRUTUS on :
 
I don't think Picard's a model maker. If it's supposed to represent the Stargazer, I can surmise Picard picked it up in some shop that had starfleet models...since it's yellow, it seems to be more a display piece rather than a...miniature replica. Just like if you were to have a chrome ship or whatever...he probably got it from like the Franklin Mint of the 24th Century. So it's not the Stargazer...but that's what it represents to him.
 
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
 
Actually, in "Booby Trap", he was reminiscing about building ships in bottles when he was a boy.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
You're right Shik, in what FASA said. Diplomatic aide to the Federation president, I think.

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Posted by DARKSTAR on :
 
JEAN LUC PICARD 2355-2364
LIKELY EVENTS IN THOSE 9 YEARS
2355-2356
He spendt 14 days with Beverly Crusher they would not see eachother again till the next time they meet in 2364. He then spendt time at a starbase where he met Katherine Pulaski in passing. He also spendt time at the academy helping Professor Galen with his lectures to cadets. He also spendt some time with Boothby.
I think Picard probaly had a holiday as it was mentioned by Riker in the 2365/66 episode where he first Vash episode that he hadn't had a holiday for a while.
2357-2358
He also visited Guinan whereever she was at the time. He probally indulged in his passion of Archeology.
2358-2359
He probaly got a observational capicity on the same ship where Tasha Yar was serving on.
2359-2360
He also at the time visited Vulcan to meet Sarak and his second wife. Geordi Laforge was on a ship in the system and Starfleet commmand requested that the ship transport Picard back to Earth.
2361-2362
He was given command of starbase in orbit of a planet some distance from Earth:Starbase 53. He resigns from this command as it was not challenging enough being in the backwaters of the Alpha Quadrant
2363
He visited his family in France as he was about to be given command of the almost complete Enterprise D and she would be going to regions far away in Federation space and beyond. The next time he would visit would be in 2367 after being assimilated by the Borg.

 
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Actually ...

He met Geordi when Geordi piloted the shuttle that Picard was on to view the Enterprise-D. Picard made a comment about the engines on the shuttle, and the next day learned that Geordi had completely rebuilt the engines the previous night to fix them. He was so impressed, he requested LaForge for the Enterprise.

As for Yar, I believe Picard mentions that he saw her in action during a resuce mission previous to Encounter at Farpoint. I'm not sure if dialogue supports this next part, but some people place this as happening after Picard took command of the Enterprise but before Encounter at Farpoint.

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Y'know what I love most about you, Darkstar? Your cunning grasp of Olde English. I haven't seen "spendt" outside of Bacon or Shakespeare in nigh on 500 years. :::wipes tear from eye::: Man, that takes me back...

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
No, no, no. Picard saw Yar charging across the minefield, naked, riding bareback on a Rigellian unicorn, and singing Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries" at the top of her lungs. It's based on that commanding performance that Picard got her for Security officer.

Geordi was an aspiring holodiction writer, desperately in need of inspiration. Picard found him studying Zephram Cochrane's statue in Montana, and took him aboard the E-D to see the world.

And it was WORF who piloted the shuttle to the E-D. On the way, the shuttle malfunctionned and Worf tore off the fanbelt and threw it over his shoulder. It was so hot it melted into his shoulder and stuck there, which is where that sash thing came from.

And unlike the above people, this is MY IDEA of what happened. I have NO SUPPORTING EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER for anything I typed. I'm just telling you now.

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
 
You forgot to get a refill on your medication, didn't you...?

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Huh? Of COURSE I get refills on my medication. Sometimes several times a day, if I feel like it. It's tough to imagine what I'd be like WITHOUT my drugs...

Mark

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