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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
I originally posted this under the topic for the Raven, but I think that it was either glossed over or ignored because it was a later edit to my original post. Anyway, I decided to post it again (slightly edited) as a new topic. Any thoughts?

If you analyze the registry number of the "Curry" (the Excelsior/Constitution kitbash from DS9), you might find something surprising. The Curry's rego is NCC-45617. The two conjectural classes with the closest regos are the Rennaissance (45XXX) and the Mediterranean (43XXX). This is also within the realm of many Excelsiors having a 42XXX registry. The design doesn't really match the description of the Rennaissance class Aries in "The Icarus Factor", that of a small scout ship. However, it does match the description of the Mediterranean class Lalo, which was a Federation/Starfleet freighter. It does look like a freighter-like version of the Excelsior. This could also mean that, going by similar Excelsior-family designs and the Aries description, the Centaur could be of the Rennaissance class (according to what was seen in the episode it was in, the ship was only slightly larger than the Jem'Hadar fighter). Timo's statement about classes tending not to differ too much within 10000 regos also bears this out. But again, of course, this is just my opinion. I'm just going by screen and official source evidence here, but I would rather have Bernd's ASDB designs for those classes.


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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Not a bad theory...

[But I coined the name "Shelley class!" I *like* that name!] /cry

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Posted by spyone on :
 
Don't suppose you've got an online screencap to illustrate your point?

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Try this one:
http://steve.pugh.net/fleet/misc.html

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
 
Interestingly I was just checking the possibility if the Oberth could have been converted to a freighter (Colin pointed out an according quote in "A Fistful of Datas" to me) - when I noticed that the Curry has a very similar hull structure. BTW, I always though the Curry could be some sort of troop transport.

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
Hey Bernd!

We're actually on line at the same time for once

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Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :
 
From the available evidence, I don't think the USS Centaur has a registry. This ship may not have been part of a class.

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
according to the fact files it does, NCC-42043. given that they seem to have access to some of the more obscure models (like the wolf 359 ships) I'd say this number is genuine, which seems perfect for this theory.

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Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :
 
Where did the name Curry come from anyway? Was it on the hull?
Your theory is pretty good. I for one hope it is a Mediterranean, because Curry is a stupid name for a class.

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
The name, as someone mentioned above, that has been going around for the class of that Excelsior kitbash is The Shelley Class, presumably named after the author of Frankenstein. Curry could refer to the actor, Tim Curry. But isn't there someone on the production staff named Curry, too?

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Dan(?) Curry is a visual effects supervisor, I think. This specific ship was named for him. The class remains unknown. It's generally referred to as the Shelley class, a name chosen by someone here, I think, to reflect its Frankensteiny patchwork nature. Others say it should be called the Curry class.

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
The name and reg number were on the hull, indicating that the ship does belong to an existing class (and not to a "wreck-build" group, as Sternbach proposed in the DS9TM). And it is named for the Curry in the VFX department, and not the actor.

And yes, I coined the name "Shelley" for the author of Frankenstein. I personally will use the name until an official name comes down the pipes. I just think it fits better.

Mark

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
I like to think the Shelley Class is the kind of ship that deploys the tactical squadrons (i.e. the little fighters).

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
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The name and reg number were on the hull

Do you have a picture of that?

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
I really think that we need some one to do some high quality scans of that opening scene from "A Time To Stand" there are only the one crappy scans from Pedro's sight on the whole internet! They aren't too good.

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
Reverend: Hey, that's great! I didn't know the Fact Files had any information at all about the Centaur, since, being a Yank, I can't get them (and I know that ST:The Magazine hasn't given any info so far). Is it possible to either post or email a scan of the Centaur's registry information?

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Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :
 
Obi Juan said:

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because Curry is a stupid name for a class

Excuse me. But I am going to have to do to you what god did to the Sodomites.

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Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :
 
I am revising my ship list. Thanks, Reverend.

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
as requested, a scan from the fact files.
http://www.stormloader.com/reverendtrig/Images/centaur.jpg

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
 
That's a striking similarity to the NCC-62043 of the Melbourne. I always believed it was an ordinary kitbash, but is it possible they modified the Excelsior model for that?

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Why not? they had already CG'd the excelsior at that point so I don't think they needed the physical model anymore. The Centaur on the other hand, was probably a kitbashed modelkit, maybe thats why its Miranda roll bar/nacelle pylon was so large.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
But..ehm...didn't they sell the Excelsior model on an auction or something?.. or is this just a dream of mine interfering with reality?

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Excuse me. But I am going to have to do to you what god did to the Sodomites.

You're going to throw an atomic bomb on his head? Because that's what 'God' threw on Sodom...

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
 
Well, aside from the fact that Atomic Bombs weren't invented then, and that it's a crazy revisionist's theory,...

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
The extra bits on the E-B were added on to the original Excelsior model, so they didn't have to cut into the original model to show the Nexus damage.

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Personally, I thought "yow, Obi Juan's not gonna be able to sit down for a week."

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
LOL

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
It's also a Blackadder quote. The follow up is

"Baldrick, what exactly did God do to the Sodomites?"

"I don't know my lord, but it can't have been worse than what they did to each other."

The original Excelsior model was modified into the Ent-B for Generations. It also showed up in "Paradise Lost". A short time later, Greg Jein (possibly) built a new Excelsior model for "Flashback". Don't ask me why they didn't use the original. Maybe it was harder to remove the extra bits that they had originally thought.

Anyway, this Excelsior, and the CGI model, has been the version seen pretty much exclusively since then. It differers from the original in that the black parts of the warp engines now glow blue (like post-TNG Federation ships). I'm not sure what colour the blue bits on top are now.

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
 
Maybe the Excelsiors on DS9 were uprated and upgraded versions. But we all know that the CGI models had some mistakes on them.

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Another problem I've got is, history is written by the victors. We only have the Bible's word that the Sodomites were toilet traders. And who wrote the bible? The Israelites. Who were the Israelites the chosen people of? God. Who smote the Sodomites. . . you see where I'm going with this. So for all we know, all the Sodomites ever did wrong was worship the wrong idol. Maybe Sodomy was a local word for, uh, flower-arranging. But then they get FUBARed, and consigned to history solely for surfing the chocolate speedway. Pardon the pun, but that's quite a bummer.

Sorry, where were we? )

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
I was just looking at a screencap of the Centaur and I noticed something interesting that might support Dukhat's theory. If you look at the underside of the centaur, you can see what looks like escape pod hatches. Now correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the Rennaissance class, (according to TNG Tech Manual) the first starships to be fitted with asrv's like thoses on the E-D. That plus the fact that this ship can easily be classified a scout, like the Aries in "The Icarus Factor" which is a known Rennaissance, I think that the centaur may well be Rennaissance-class.
Does anyone know who built the miniature? maybe this ship was ment to fit in with the Rennaissance description, the same goes for the Curry being a Mediterranean-class freighter. Do we know anything else that supports this?

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
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A short time later, Greg Jein (possibly) built a new Excelsior model for "Flashback".

Yes, you're right. Pictures of Jein's model can be found at the IDIC page.

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Now correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the Rennaissance class, (according to TNG Tech Manual) the first starships to be fitted with asrv's like thoses on the E-D.

Actually, I thought the tech manual said that only the Hokkaido, the last class of that ship to be made, had escape pods (I know that doesn't help prove my theory, Rev, but maybe you're seeing more "greeblies" instead of pods).
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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Well it was just an idea. It would be nice though, to finally see a ship that doesn't have inconsistancies up the yingyang

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
Personally, I don't like the idea that the Hokkaido was the first Renaissance to have escape pods. People seem to take the TM line too literally here - all Rick is saying is that the Hokkaido was the first Renaissance to have ASRV-type escape pods. The preceding ships probably had another type aboard, and even the TOS ship surely had her share of well-camouflaged pods stashed somewhere.

Still, Renaissance would be my favorite identity for the Centaur, too. And since there are only two components on the ship that can give us a scale - the Excelsior saucer and the Miranda wing/pod - I'd like to disregard the saucer and go with the pod. That way, the ship would better match the size of the Jem'Hadar ship she was chasing. The saucer isn't going to have any definite size-establishing features anyway, since there aren't standard docking ports or any other identifiable size indicators in an Excelsior bridge or upper saucer surface.

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
this is a direct quote from the tech manual:-

"The first ASRVs were delivered in 2337 in time to be fitted to the last Renaissance class starship, the USS Hokkaido,..."

This can mean that they were just ready to be installed when the Hokkaido was still being built, but the rest of the Renaissance class starships were already out in the field and would have to recieve them at their next refit.

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
I'm having trouble seeing that scan of the Centaur from the fact files. It says it's a missing page. Would you be so kind as to repost it?

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
At last, another Brit. However, I'm assuming, Reverend, you're no relation to "Good Reverend" who used to post here many moons ago. . . I like some of your ship designs too.

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
The TM quote could also be read as saying that the Hokkaido was the last Renaissance in service, the others having been retired or destroyed by 2337. Of course, it would then be a contradiction that, say, the Maryland of that class would serve in the late 2360s or early 2370s...

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Aban Rune: here is that URL again http://www.stormloader.com/reverendtrig/Images/centaur.jpg
It should work I just tryed it myself.


Vogon Poet: Thanks, most of those are out of date now, some I have abandoned b/c they have cut'n'paste written all over them.


Timo: I'm fairly certain that the TM quote does mean that Hokkaido was the last ship to be built because as you said, there are Renaissance class ships still in service at least as late as the 2360's or even the 2370's if the Centaur does turn out to be of this class.

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
Sorry Reverand, I still can't get it. It takes me to http://www.stormloader.com/nonono.gif and says I've found a missing page or typed in a wrong url.

I tried clicking and copy/pasting and they both do the same thing.

I dunno. Maybe you could e-mail me the piccie thunderchild@thespeakeasy.com

Danka.

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Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
 
I can't open the picture, either.

However, I'd rather be interested in the number of the Fact File edition you got it from.

Could you help me with that?
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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Blasted stupid thing! can anyone tell me how to upload direct to the board?

Austin: it was in the A-Z section of issue 203

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
Upload the pic at http://flareupload.hypermart.net/psupload.htm
Copy the link and paste it here.

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
Have space?

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Ta da! http://flareupload.hypermart.net/files/centaur.jpg

all that fuss and I could have just typed the bloody thing :0/

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
Danka.

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
I dropped an email to Mike Okuda about the subject; specifically, if any influence with registry or conjectural class descriptions went into the kitbashes. Here's what he had to say:

"Those kitbashes were pretty much built and labeled at random. The VFX department put in a lot of extra time and effort into assembling those models, and they had a little fun with the names. (A few of us from the art
department even lent a hand.) Some of the ships had authentic-sounding names, but most of them had gag names. One might reasonably argue that Starfleet might have named a bunch of their ships after historic figures whose names happened to be the same as several of the Star Trek visual effects department staff members. On the other hand, some of the ships had
rather impolite names that Starfleet would (probably) not have approved on any of its ships. In any case, everyone worked so hard that I felt it would not be appropriate to attempt to impose "authentic" names or numbering, especially since there was no chance that any of it would be legible on screen."

-Mike

So it looks like the Centaur and the Curry do not, and will never have, official class designations, so my hypothesis about the Rennaissance and Mediterranean classes may be as good as anyone else's ideas. I am curious, though, as to what those impolite names were for some of the ships...

He also said that the ship drawings in the DS9TM were based on some of the models.
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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
Also on the other hand, TPTB probably have no intention of ever making new ship models to represent any of the conjectural classes in the Encyclopedia. Therefore, any model made without an official class (such as these kitbashes or the Excelsior studies) could then unofficially represent classes like the Rennaissance or Hokule'a.

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Maybe the next time you contact him, you could ask if he could run the class naming idea past the guys who built the models. I'd think they'd be cool with it it'd be nice to have some old blanks filled in.
Besides, most of the wolf 359 ship models are listed as conjectoral designs, I think that only the Nebula design was made official. So whats the harm in assuming that the Centaur is a conjectoral design for the Rennesance and the Curry is likewise for the Mediterranean, at least until we see otherwise.

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
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Maybe the next time you contact him, you could ask if he could run the class naming idea past the guys who built the models.

Good idea, but my inference from Okuda's reply is that he's not really in contact with the former DS9 VFX crew anymore. Even if he or any of us were able to contact them, they probably wouldn't know what we were talking about, or care. These models will probably remain classless, but at least we have some registry numbers to help determine our own hypotheses as to their possible unofficial classes.

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Personaly my ship list is no longer going to call these ships

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
I take it Okuda didn't actually mention what any of the names were, did he?

And what's this about having registries? What registries?

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
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Personally my ship list is no longer going to call these ships

Um, Reverend, did you forget to finish your sentence?

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And what's this about having registries? What registries?

The registries for the Centaur and the Curry.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Do we know the Centaur registry wasn't invented by the FF people?

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Well, we have two choices about what we can do. We can accept that we're never going to find a more satisfactory piece of information than what was given in the FF - no registry is visible on the ship, Okuda can't remember/won't tell/knows that none was assigned, and the FX people are off trying to get jobs at ILM. If, miraculously, sometime in the future we DO find out the truth, then it's all to the good. Until then, we draw a line under it all, and move on.

Or, we can just discount the FF info for no other reason than that, just because there's nothing found yet to contradict it, doesn't mean there ISN'T anything to contradict it. We go on saying it must be so-and-so class because of the registry in one post, and in another saying the registry is wrong anyway.

Personally, I prefer the first option. Just to discount the registry because it shares some digits in common with the Melbourne isn't enough.

Also, I'd say the old registry of the ship pretty much proves that it's a member of a class and not a new war-built kitbash, wouldn't you?

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
I agree with that last bit certainly. You are right in saying that there is no way of confirming these class names unless it appears in published material.

BTW, does anyone know how ships whos names were only mentioned in diologue end up in the encyclopedia with class names and registeries?

sorry about that last post, my brain fell out and tried to make a break for it so of course I had to chase it down.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
I'd assume that shps mentioned in dialogue are considered "important" enough for the tech guys to work out registries and possible classes for them, whereas the "background filler" ships are just, well, filler, and don't really matter.

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
The registry for the Centaur probably WAS made up by the FF, but then again so was almost every other registry in Okuda's Encyclopedia. The clincher was when Okuda stated that the "important" ships (the ones with legitimate names) did have registry, so it's more of a possibility that the Centaur's rego is genuine than made-up. That's why I like the FF more than the Magazine; it gives the lesser-known ship information that the Magazine has been sorely lacking lately.

My shiplist contains four pages. The first is the ship names, the second is the class names, the third is all the known info or descriptions about the conjectural classes, and the fourth is all the ships in order of registry number. If anyone ever makes a list like page four, you'll see that Okuda does have some rhyme & reason to the ship classes and regos. Most of the time, a single ship class has four or five ships in a row (like the Apollo). That's how I got the idea in the first place of classing the kitbashes based on chronological registry. There's some other things too, but I'll not waste space in this thread for unrelated topics.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Most of the classes and registries in the encyclopedia that weren't mentioned on screen were on various computer readouts and such. They weren't just made up to fill in space in the book.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
That's not 100% true, TSN.
The rego of the USS Antares was never mentioned or seen on screen, and it's highly unlikely they bothered much with NCCs in early TOS, and yet, Okuda says it's NCC-501 (or something similar)

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
I've asked that Okuda a few weeks ago. Here his answer:

quote:
During TNG and DS9, I (or others in my department)
occasionally made up a number of Starfleet operations status charts for use
on background computer display screens. One such chart was often seen on one
of the large screens in the Enterprise-D briefing room during the sixth and
seventh seasons. Anyway, I populated those display graphics with lists of
ships that had (mostly) been mentioned in episodes, and added registry
numbers and class designations that seemed consistent with whatever we knew
about the ship. Those charts were a source of a lot of the info in the
Encyclopedia.

(For whateve it's worth, I have been doing this a lot less of late, simply
because the last few seasons of DS9 introduced so many new ships that it
became nearly impossible to keep track of them all.)



This 501-registry is interesting. The next closest registry is 595 of the Revere and according to the Starfleet TM the Revere was a Hermes-class-vessel. So maybe the Antares was a Hermes too. Then we have a
USS Antares - Hermes-class
and a
USS Hermes - Antares-class

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
I find it quite odd that the Centaur was not given a specific number and class when alot of other, never-seen vessels were. I mean, the Centaur was a big fixture to all us ship-geeks in that episode. It was clearly seen and shown up close for quite a while, relatively speaking. Even the Curry got a number and it only did a single fly-by. I have the same problem with the Raven's and the Insurrection Scoutship's missing info.

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
 
Re what Duckat said:
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I am curious, though, as to what those impolite names were for some of the ships...

U.S.S. Fuck Wit
U.S.S. Bum Fluff

I.K.S. Knob'Cheese
I.K.S. Krapkakes

S'kratch'Crotch
Me'Hoering'head
(Romulan ships)

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
Aban: I agree. All they had to say was "Captain Sisko, there's a Federation ship approaching...Rennaissance class...it's the U.S.S. Centaur!"

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
*sigh* As if that'd ever be likely.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Especially since the script, in all likelihood, never mentioned what type of ship the Centaur was. It would just be the art department who deceided "hey, instead of using the Excelsior again, let's through lots of bits together, and use whatever we get. Cool eh"

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
Well at least it makes US happy when there's a new design instead of a re-use of the Reliant, even if no other info is forthcoming other than the model itself.

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
Well I don't even mean they had to say it on screen. I mean, the Ent E's class wasn't even said on screen (IIRC). But I would've thought they would've come up with class names for ships like the Scoutship (the bloody thing didn't even have a name!!), the Raven, and the Centaur. After making up all the names in the encyclopedia for ships we never even saw (and barely heard of), you'd just think they would've gone to the trouble for ships that we definitely and clearly saw on screen.

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
It's funny how over the past coupla years they've become really lax about even making up the classes and registries of ships mentioned on the shows. . . the new Saratoga, the Sentinel, the Grissom, the Strata and so on from DS9; The Billings from Voyager. . . all the Insurrection ships, plus the listing in the Enc3 of a Ticonderoga from the same film which as far as we know never appeared or said in dialogue!

It seems to coincide with a general feeling of disillusionment by Okuda - or so was implied when the Enc3 turned out to be nowhere near as good as the previous two, and that there might not be another edition. Maybe it's just the sheer volume of info. Maybe it's all these emails you keep sending him asking about the most nitpicky little things he couldn't possibly remember, that have given him the feeling "why bother?" Maybe someone should ask him how he feels about it all.

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Ticonderoga? I've been meaning to ask about that. Is it, or rarther was it in a draft script or cut scene in Insurrection? I have the novel so I'll be skimming through it on the look out.
I hope that when Voyager ends and they get back to just doing movies for a while, Okuda and the like will probably go back and assign some regs & class names. Of course knowing our luck they probably won't, still we can always hope. Does anyone else think that Condor would make a cool name for the Insurrection Scout? Or maybe this is the Yellowstone-class runabout's final hull design.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Except that the Yellowstone never existed, except in Harry Kim's mind...

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Wasn't it an alternative timeline, rather than a dream-sequence?

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Yes. Though technically TSN is still correct, as the design hadn't been built yet, just sketched out by Harry and his friend.

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
I don't think that a couple of ensigns are the only people working on an entire class of starship. My understanding was that they were only responsible for the uprated engine design, this would mean that in the alternate timeline they were assigned to a project already underway. The same project could easily exist in the 'normal' timeline, but with harry's mate working on it instead of him. The fact that the ship was identical to the danube can be accounted for by saying that Yellowstone was a refit of the Danube instead of a new build, in the few years between that Voyager episode and Insurrection the ship could have been refited several times to the extent that the newbuilds were totally unrecognisable. The Danube platform could have only been a starting point, with the intention always being to change the hull design later. Sort of designing it from the inside out.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Okay, well, it's been a very long time since I saw... "Non Sequitur", was it? I think the only time I saw it was first-run, and maybe that season's summer rerun. I thought it was all in his head, though. I didn't think he actually went into an alternate timeline. Oh well. I'm probably wrong.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Oh! You have to see Non Sequitar SP? Again... It was an AMAZING episode... among the best of Season 2...

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
It was definatly an alternate timeline. This alien entity/bartender bloke said his shuttle crossed a *insert meaningless anomoly of the week technobabble* and it mess up the time line so that Harry never got assigned to Voyager and Tom Paris got in a fight with Quark at DS9 and thrown in a holding cell by Odo while Voyager left without him.

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