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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

Does this Galaxy-class ship exist?

Let the discussion begin...

Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :

Probably, but whether or not its called Santa Maria is another thing. I worked this name out by enhancing & tracing the image of the ship but that was almost a year ago & I'm not so sure now...but then again I never was.
I look at it now & I think the second word is "Hope"

Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

quote:
Does this Galaxy-class ship exist?

I hope this ship wasn't in any episode, because NCC-70564 is lower than the Galaxy's.
I sent an email to Mojo. Let's see what he says about this ship.

[ July 20, 2001: Message edited by: Spike ]

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Yes. And having a registry number lower than the class-designation ship would be unprecedented, woudn't it?

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Well, yes. The only Federation Starfleet "NX" registries we know of are the Constellation, Excelsior, Ambassador, Galaxy, Danube, Bradbury, Defiant, and Prometheus. And, even at that, the only ones that are strictly canon are the Constellation, Excelsior, Defiant, Prometheus, and possibly Bradbury. As far as I know, there have never been any contradictions w/ those.

Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :

I think he was reffering to the rather minor problem with the Constitution registeries.

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

What if it said 'Shiku Maru'?

Oh wait...that wouldn't work, would it?

I don't believe registries are sequential, so that's not the same sort of problem for me.

After all, we had numbers of NCC-2120 and NCC-3801 canonically confirmed in TMP and TWOK. Not to mention the little already-mentioned-many-times-over bit about the Constitution/Constellation mishap. Plus, we also had two U.S.S. Ahwahnees in the TNG timeframe, ant the second one had a registy about 200 digits lower than the first! There are plenty of other examples, but I think I've made my point...

Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :

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Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim:
What if it said 'Shiku Maru'?
Oh wait...that wouldn't work, would it?
I don't believe registries are sequential, so that's not the same sort of problem for me.
After all, we had numbers of NCC-2120 and NCC-3801 canonically confirmed in TMP and TWOK. Not to mention the little already-mentioned-many-times-over bit about the Constitution/Constellation mishap. Plus, we also had two U.S.S. Ahwahnees in the TNG timeframe, ant the second one had a registy about 200 digits lower than the first! There are plenty of other examples, but I think I've made my point...

Well firstly I belive they are sequencial, for the simple reason that for the vast majority, they are. Your taking the exception as proof to the rule.
NCC-2xxx + regs in the 23rd century can be explaned (at a stretch) by saying that the excelsior was in developement for a very long time & retained the NX-2000 while other older ships were being built after it was started.
the 2 Ahwahnees are easy to do away with, u can easily say that the second Ahwahnee was originally named something else & the name was changed & the ship given the the surviving crew of the first. just like the Yorktown. A similar explanation covers the constitution problem (to a point).

But this Galaxy registery is alot trickier to explane...

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

Just thought I'd re-post the Rev's pics:

So, it does look a bit like 'Hope.' I wonder what it could be. If it is Something Hope, here are a few possibilities:

1. U.S.S. Cape Hope
2. U.S.S. Good Hope
3. (A cheesy in-joke)
U.S.S. A New Hope

[ July 20, 2001: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]

Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :

Um, did this have any caption under it, like in the other calendars?

Posted by Stingray (Member # 621) on :

Um, not to be impertinent or anything, but can't we just ignore it?

The reg is obviously hopelessly inconsistent and its impossible to get a definite name, its not from onscreen so it ain't canon. So...if it causes more trouble than its worth - fuck it.

Am I wrong?

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

Well, for the people like me who assign the status of "canon" to only the material seen on-screen, there really isn't anything to be concerned about. Unless this ship was actually sneaked into an episode, we can ignore it.

However, Monkey of Mim is of another group of people that assign "canon" status to all material authorized by Paramount. So for that group, this ship will pose a problem. So for them, I propose this solution in accepting the registry: this registry was originally assigned in a block of numbers issued to (for sake of argument) Nebula class starships. This particular number wasn't used, and when the Galaxy class building increased, this number was reassigned to a new Galaxy. This particularly works if you don't believe that registries are strictly chronological. But this solution poses a sticky problem of being lower than the USS Galaxy's.

Anyone else have a better idea?

Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :

I always have a better idea.
Its obvious really, a pocket of stellar gas affected a weather satelight and refracted the light from sirius....um....it was a criminal from the 29th century playing silly buggers with the time line, causing the Galaxy-class to be built earlier...a separated sauser section from a nebula (can they do that?) has been intigrated with a galaxy stardrive, just for kicks.

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

Um...guys?

Can we please concentrate on trying to find out what the name says? IS it 'Santa Maria,' or is it something else?

Was this calender done by FI? If so, can we contact them, or attract attention from Mojo, or something?

Hey wait! That's a great idea:
http://flare.solareclipse.net/cgi2/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=001332

What do y'all think? I'm a genius. I know.

Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :

You're right (I think) about that "Hope" part at the end of the Galaxy's name. What could it be? They must have wrote something on there.
And, what was this calendar like? Was it like one of those monthly ones, with one picture a month, or a tear-off one, with a picture each day? If so, it must have had some sort of caption. Does anyone have it?

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

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And, what was this calendar like? Was it like one of those monthly ones, with one picture a month, or a tear-off one, with a picture each day? If so, it must have had some sort of caption. Does anyone have it?

Yeah, this is a calender for the 2002 year with a different starship scenic shot for each month. As for a capture, I haven't bought the calendar yet, so I can't check it out.

Back to the name, I'm not so sure that the last four letters are Hope. The only letter that's really clear in the close-up is the "P." The others letters are too blurry to really tell, but I guess "hope" is as good a guess as any.

I did a search of "hope" and (assuming it's named for a geographic feature), there's a Mount Hope in Alaska, cities named Hope in Alaska, Arkansas, and North Carolina, a port named Hope in North Carolina. There's also a hospital in Chicago called Hope.

Posted by The Vorlon (Member # 52) on :

The 2002 SOTL calender isn't anything special. Most of the shots are 'stylized' ones, where the ships are VERY blurred, or the pic is grainy... There are only maybe 3 good pics in the entire thing. And the centerfold of the E-E and GCS Challenger (which also says ENTERPRISE is spots) is a great picture, but is B&W! *pissed*

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

Hey Vorlon,

We're not talking about SoTL. We're talking about another calender from FI. And since we're hoping to get Mojo to help us out, maybe you shouldn't be so eager to overtly bash his new product.

Just a suggestion.

But, he DID start athread a while back, asking folks their opinions on the 2002 SoTL. Here it is:

http://flare.solareclipse.net/cgi2/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=001275

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

I've been playing around on Adobe Photoshop, and I'm convinced that the last word is indeed 'Hope.'

The word before it has approximately 5 0r possibly 6 letters, with the 3rd letter being an A.

"U.S.S. xxAxx(x) HOPE"

Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :

No. There's a fifth letter there, right on the edge of the pic. It makes sense otherwise the name is lopsided with reference to the registry.

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

Huh?

Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :

Um heap big fifth letter bilong second word him live on de right. OK?

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

*lol*

Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

I bet it's the U.S.S. False Hope.

Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :

It would not make me at all sad if a starships registry preceded its class ship. I would just think that it was contracted (funded (with supplies, not money because there is none) and assigned a number and name) but wasnt built until its class was decided by the fact that a class came out with a later number

Or maybe its a saucer from a Nebula refit into a Galaxy class with a snazzy new secondary hull