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Posted by Stingray (Member # 621) on :
 
Constitution - 26
Ambassador - 40

These according to my hand count of the models that I have recently put together (the E-nil one being the cutaway version). Though I'm wary of even conceiving that the cutaway Enterprise might be slightly accurate.

Any other sources/materials/thoughts on this all important minutia matter?
 


Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
23 for the Constitution.
 
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
 
The Ambassador Class must have a crew of midgets if it has 40 decks. It isn't tall enough to support more than 32.
 
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
 
I'm sure the Constitution class has 21 decks. This is comprised of-

a)7 decks down to the lower edge of the saucer
b)6 decks in the neck
c)8 decks in the remainder of the secondary hull.

My educated guess for the Ambassador class is 33 decks. This would be comprised of-

a)9 decks down to the lower edge of the saucer
b)8 decks in the neck
c)16 decks in the remainder of the secondary hull.
 


Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
 
In TOS, there is a ship chart affixed across from the dedication plate. This shows the number of decks. If someone can get a clear screencap of this chart, we can know the number of decks for the USS Enterprise. Well, at least as the original planners had in mind.
 
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
That display?
http://flareupload.hypermart.net/files/enterprise_display.jpg
 
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
 
Isn't there an MSD for Ambassador?
 
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
According to the deck plans in the first Encyclopedia, both the Connie and its refitted version have 23 decks.
 
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
quote:
Isn't there an MSD for Ambassador?

Nope, the only interiors we have seen of an Ambassador is the E-C bridge, and that only had external diagrams, and no cutaways.
 


Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
And here's a size comparison from Matt Jefferies:
http://flareupload.hypermart.net/files/enterprise_decks.jpg
 
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Hasn't that already been invalidated considering that the scale is way off and main engineering is in the wrong place? TMoST also says the saucer is eleven decks thick. Is this possible?
 
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
Why would the scale be off? The ship is about a thousand feet long, as it's supposed to by modern reckoning. And the positioning of main engineering has never been canonically confirmed.

Eleven decks for the saucer seems just about within the limits of possibility, if the lower dome counts as a deck - Shane Johnson, apparently going by Probert's original plans, adds a deck between Jeffries' #3 and #4 to make the count come up to the desired number, but then again, the E-refit saucer is slightly differently shaped from the TOS version.

In any case, we still lack canonical confirmation of the number of decks, since Jeffries' picture was never shown in an episode AFAIK. Unless we want to count the FJ-derived pictures flashing on the movie-era ship monitors (23 decks, I believe), or the ST5:TFF "information" (78 decks, one per each TOS episode...).

Timo Saloniemi
 


Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
 
I always thought the original Constitution had 24 decks. Also, I may be wrong, but I 'believe' I remember O'Brien and Bashir asking the turbolift for 'Deck 24' in 'Trials and Tribble-ations'.

Again, I may be wrong.

Ambassador? Couldn't say for sure. But 35 would be a fair guess.
 


Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
 
One interesting thing about the original Jeffries cutaway is that Deck 5 falls at the primary hull rim, making ti one of the largest decks... and we know officers' quarters are on Deck 5, so that makes some sense. Re: Engineering, the largish room in the aft primary hull extends into the neck, making it impossible to be the engine room. I'd invent a purpose for that space, and put engineering sharing the oversized deck with the hanger deck. Just observations.
 
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
The thing with the Ambassador is, to me, she has more windows in the saucer then she has decks. That, or all the windows are in the ceiling of the rooms...

By looking at the saucer from my model of the Yamaguchi, there is one row of windows on the saucer rim. On the bottom dome there are 3 rows of windows, but there are probably 4 decks because there is a row of phaser strips as well. On the top of the saucer though, I'm counting 7 rows of windows, but all oddly spaced from one another. The first four rows of windows (from the edge inward) are very closely packed, along with escape pods and phaser strips. Of course, then there are 3 more decks for the entire upper module (shuttlebay and bridge). This makes the Ambassador have, according to windows at least, 15 decks in the saucer (11 if you're counting from the neck up to the bridge).

Looking at the neck, there are 6 decks, clearly shown. This gives us 18 decks from the bridge down to the top of the engineering hull.

7 more rows of windows on the side of the engineering hull, although I suspect there may be room for another deck right where the neck meets the hull, and there just aren't any windows there. There also could be a very bottom deck along the keel, maybe. Adding this up, we now have 27 decks.

Now, after all that, doesn't 27 seem a tad short to you guys?

[ August 16, 2001: Message edited by: The359 ]


 
Posted by Michael_T (Member # 144) on :
 
Hmm, you're right. And after counting my Enterprise-C model, I think that I would say the ship has between 30-35 decks.
 
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
 
Watch TMP. When Spock is going up the turbolift shaft on those rocket boots, he passes numbers on the wall. I think one says 40-something. Apparently, the Galaxy class has 42 decks, or so Encyclopedia 1 states.
(I know about the much-debated canon-ness (?) of it, especially #1, so that number may be wrong.
 
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
Um, Veers...

Spock's rocket boots up the turbolift shaft was in STAR TREK V: THE FINAL FRONTIER. Not Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Spock goes up 78 decks (an utter impossibility).
 


Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
The number of decks on the Enterprise-D is canonical set at 42, so there's no debate on that. In "Yesterday's Enterprise," Tasha Yar tells Lt. Castillo of the Enterprise-C that her ship has 42 decks.

Canonically speaking, the Enterprise-A has at least 78 decks. The turbolift scene in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier confirms that the decks are also numbered in reverse fashion with 78 being at the top of the shaft and 1 being at the bottom. Also canonically speaking, there are two deck 48s on the Enterprise-A. This is one of those times we I say to hell with canonicity and that we just ignore this part of The Final Frontier.
 


Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
 
Oh. Sorry. I need to brush up on Star Trek feature films.
So, I guess that the Enterprise would be rather tall with 78 decks.
 
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
That was an in-joke. There's one deck for every episode of the Original Series.

Don't you just looooove Shatner?
 


Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
I guess that 78 comes from combining "The Menagerie" as one episode? Hmm... never noticed that before. Of course, I've always said 79 original episodes.
 
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Yes, I think that's how they got it. Or maybe they left out "Where No Man Has Gone Before" since it was the pilot and not a regular episode.
 
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
Do you think that the numbers along the turboshaft we saw clearly were William Shatner's favorite episodes?
 
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
 
Two quick facts that I know

1. Sickbay is on deck five of the USS Enterprise NCC-1701. "Amok Time"
2. There are 42 decks. "11001001"
 


Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
 
In DS9's "Trials and Tribbleations", when the crew start searching for the bomb on the Enterprise, Miles and Bashir start from the bottom of the ship and work their way up. In the episode one of the characters clearly states that they start from deck 21. So this means that the 1701 has at least 21 decks but it also implies that deck 21 is the bottom of the ship.
 
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
 
Actually, it's the number of episodes Kirk gets into a fight. 78.
 
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
 
One point though with the counting of the visible rows of windows on the Ambassador - is it not possible that some decks will have no visible windows at all? This would push the deck count even higher. The Connie may have 20 some decks, but they are not all windowed. One relevant area on the Ambassador which may have no visible windows could be deck positions connecting the saucer to the neck, and the neck to the secondary hull. Also right at the bottom, in the bowels of the ship. We really may need a line of dialogue to set the record straight on this.
 
Posted by Stingray (Member # 621) on :
 
These are the conclusions I came to. If you look at the model, its only reasonable to assume that the decks are even in height. Doing this, you come to thirty or so decks.
 
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
 
Just because a deck doesn't have windows does not mean that window based counting won't work. Infact, it works just the same. If you have three rows of windows you can measure the middle ground between the middle and top one then the middle and bottom one. This gives the measure of one standard deck--- a good estimation.

Even if you assume that there is always anotehr deck between those three rows of windows: Another way of counting is using standard heights, something around 4 meters per deck.
 


Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
A few of the Ambassador window rings, especially closer to the center of the saucer, make me wonder if there aren't TWO window rings for 1 deck in some spots.
 
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
 
Yes, the window placement on the Ambassador class is completely illogical. The top of the saucer must have a couple of decks with two or even three throws of windows. Deck 4 would indeed be a contendor for having three window rows.

This isn't completely unheard of though. For instance, the Galaxy class must have one deck on the top side of the saucer that has two rows of windows (probably either deck 8 or 9).

Anyway, then we have the Ambassador secondary hull. Here we have about half as many window rows as there must be decks. I honestly can't think of any good Trek explanation for this. Obviously the model builder/designers didn't give it enough thought or, most likely, they didn't have enough time.

Another thing worth bringing up - it's pretty silly that the primary hull doesn't have its own impulse engine(s). Maybe there wasn't enough to go around after the four on the Ent-B .
 


Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
Well, TOS ships had very few windows, while TNG ships had plenty. The E-C probably tried to strike a happy medium. It had more windows than an Excelsior, because the concept of saucertop windows was introduced, but the windows on the secondary hull were just as sparse as in an Excelsior.

And it only seems logical for there to be as many rows of windows on each deck as possible, so that everybody can enjoy a starview.

Timo Saloniemi
 




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