I was just looking at the plans for the Gally cap'n's yacht, and it looks like they designed it to be able to be made out of the E-D viewscreen, ready room, crew quarters (windows) and bridge stations (conn/ops) makes me wonder why they didnt try it.
what does everyone think of the design? i just thought it was neat
I'm going to try and 3D the interior....
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, since AFAIK, the only time the Galaxy's Captain's Yacht has been drawn up was for the Tech Manual and the Blueprints, I doubt it was ever "meant" to be made. Whoever drew up those plans may have used elements from the existing sets and obviously used a Galaxy Class "feel" for things like the stations...but I don't think there were ever plans to actually make this set.
I remember that they were thinking of using the Yacht for the trip to the Starbase in "Samaritan Snare" I think, but I don't think it ever got as far as designing the sets. I guarantee that if they were to ever build a set for the Yacht, the existing plans would not inhibit further creativity...
That said, I'm goign to look up the decks plans for this thing when I get home.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
I think that Sternbach (who did most ofthe Tech manual) had it in mind when he designed it... remember , the tech manual came out while the show was still on the air. He probably did the drawings in there intending to stick to them should they ever get a chance to use the thing, so he made sure it wouldnt involve complicated set-building. They always said it ws something they really looked forward to doing one day...
i considered it a let down that the only time we got to see a yacht was insurrection, im still not sure i like that whole design.. it just a big shuttle
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well, I've never seen a good internal view of the Captain's Yacht! I don't think I can make heads nor tails of the Tech manual pic. And, well I've scoured my E-D blueprints and have found NO Captain's yacht. Which page/blueprint is it supposed to be on?
I have a question. We know that they were going to use it in Samaritan Snare. We also know that the original 6' model had the capability to separate the saucer. I wonder if the Captain's yacht could come out too!?! Same goes for that underslung shuttle on the the Ferengi Marauder.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
I'm just basing my comments on the half-cutaway presented in the TNG Tech Manual. The viewscreen is the exacly the same as the E-D's, same conn/ops console, and the windows on the side are designed to correspond with the interior windows built for all the TNG quarters sets
Posted by pIn'a' Sov (Member # 293) on :
"underslung shuttle on the Ferengi Marauder" What is this?? That�s a first for me? I knew the marauder has this weird "pod" on top, but a shuttle under the ship?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
*seconds pIn'a' Sov's head scratching*
Aban's never heard of this either. Care to share a piccie?
Elements in the drawings being the same as the bridge and other sets could be attributed to laziness. Those who drew the plans could simply have taken drawings of the other sets and cut and pasted them together... I'm not saying they did, nor am I saying that there wasn't a plan to use existing sets for the Yacht should it ever be needed, all I'm saying is this: We freaks are darn good at pointing out reused sets. I think it's highly unlikely that they would use the Ent. D's ready room set as the Captain's Yacht's ready room set and expect to get away with it.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Just like I never thought they'd use a Next Generation movie ship design for a ship that predates the original USS Enteprise by 100 years... but they seem to be getting way with it
(but they could be halfway to mexico by now... lets stop them!)
What does everyone else think: was using drawings of Galaxy set pieces for the Galaxy yacht plans gifted foresight or artistic laziness?
Posted by Fedaykin Supastar (Member # 704) on :
there was a small cutaway of the Captain's yacht in the TNG:TM???
*flips pages*
hmmmm.
oh another thing with this (TNG:TM) manual? is it considered canon by the majority of 'us' since it seems less silly than the DS9 one.
Which brings me to the point, why didn't they build a new vessel under the Nova-class idea (with a different design i suppose)
If they've already done that then i deserve a boot to the head!
Buzz
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
It is mentioned in the Star Trek: The Next Generation compendium. Also look at Adam Heinbuch's schematic:
It is on the next and the 'head' underneath. It doesn't look like the pod that debuted in "The Price".
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Well, most people showed varying degrees of outrage when the new scout vessel design seen in Equinox was referred to as 'Nova-class', because it obviously wasnt intended to perform as a new explorer-type vessel I'm not sure why. The only mention of the Nova-class was that it was a tentative name given to a series of four possible designs for new explorer type vessels, that would probably be smaller and more maneuverable but just as powerful as the Galaxy. I would think that these plans would be scrapped anyway, because Starfleet really isnt looking to build any explorer-type vessels right now. Theyve refocused their shipbuilding efforts into smaller escorts and cruisers that present less of a target to the new aggressors that cropped up between the era of the TNG:TM and the current time period. I also wonder what type of vessel the Sovereign-class is intended to be, since Sternbach, Drexler and Okuda like to call everything an explorer (Excels., Ambass., Intrepid.. etc..) but i think that the militaristic atmosphere aboard the E-E really doesnt make it look very explorer-like, fitting more of the role of a heavy cruiser.
Posted by Fedaykin Supastar (Member # 704) on :
thnx for the information, i forgot about the Equinox *boot-to-the-Head*
Buzz
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Hmm. That's kind of cool. It definitely does look like it could be a little pod under there. It's got the little Fergengi emblems on it too. From that diagram, there also appears to be a separation plane for the head of the Marauder.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Isn't that for when the Maurader stretches? (An idea used only in "The Last Outpost", and even then it didn't really make sense).
Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Hmm. That's kind of cool. It definitely does look like it could be a little pod under there. It's got the little Fergengi emblems on it too. From that diagram, there also appears to be a separation plane for the head of the Marauder.
Um, that "little pod" under the Marauder would be several hundred feet long. Andy Probert says it's a swept-forward wing raiding craft.
And the lines around the front end are where the ship "expands". Andy said the idea was that the when a Fenergi ship surrendered the front end would slide out, the weapons would fold down, and etc. The idea being that they were "exposing their throat" as a sign of capitulation...with the idea that the Enterprise crew would misinterpret the gesture (being unfamiliar with the concept).
Posted by pIn'a' Sov (Member # 293) on :
You know, it looks like the attackship from Independence day, actually.
So, what shiptypes do we know have auxiliary ships, or separation-capabilities, attachted to them? The ones I know: Constitution, Galaxy, Sovereign, Nova, Intrepid (aerowing and bridgemodule), Breen (two separate crafts), Ferengi, Neghvar, Galor, (last two confirmed by Rich Sternbach).
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
which ones do which?
hey did they ever have the nebula separate? it was originally designed to look like it could trade saucers with a galaxy if the needed to
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
heh:
Galaxy Class: "I'll swap you two impulse engines, a torpedo launcer and an extra arboretum for a saucer" Nebula Class: "How about a Rec Deck?" Galaxy Class: "Hmmmm might be tricky... lessee... hmmm. OK fine, Rec Deck it is." Nebula Class: "Deal!" Galaxy Class: "DEAL!"
Little did poor old Nebbie know that two hours from know she would be hurtling through space at warp 8, no saucer and no where to put two extra impulse engines, an arboretum and a torpedo launcher! The Captain wasn't impressed... ;o)
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
:-)
but seriously, the Nebula has a separation plane also identical to the Galaxy's.. granted i would hope the power hookups were identical before you put a Gal saucer on a Neb stardrive.. but they seem to require all the same systems (like the Galaxy, the Nebula's warp core, torpedos, deflector and presumably its shuttles are all in the secondary) The differences being the Nebula has half as many windows (less quarters?)
It would have been real swell if the E-D saucer hadnt crashed and they sent a Nebula secondary hull to fly it home...
actually i wouldt want to see a Neb stardrive hull without the saucer.. look like a toboggan
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
I gather the logic of construction could actually be the reverse. Starfleet would build a large number of (relatively) cheap Nebulas and a handful of expensive Galaxies, using a common saucer design. Most of the Nebulas would save even more by omitting expensive stuff from the saucers, like windows, lifeboats, impulse engines...
In an emergency, all the ships would be capable of saucer separation. But the Galaxies would also be capable of saucer reattaching, and the small number of these ships would serve the larger total of ships sporting the compatible saucer. A nebula without a saucer would be a wreck; a Galaxy without one would be a towtruck.
Reattaching seems like a difficult and expensive thing to do. And the special ability to recover lost saucers would seem like something to be put on a limited number of ships only. And Galaxies do seem to come in lower numbers than Nebulas.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
I still think that a sucerless Nebula would be 100% functional
edit: I mean that it would function as well as the stardrive hull of the Galaxy.. it has everything it needs (warp drive, deflector, torpedoes and im assuming shuttles. the only thing it misses, like the galaxy, are crew accomodations, medical services and extra phaser arrays, fusion reactors.. etc.. :
[ September 17, 2001: Message edited by: CaptainMike ]
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
OK...here's another one: Riddle me this, was the Nebula Class model designed and detailed with the same captain's yacht that the Galaxy Class has? I'm assuming that the original one (the Phoenix) was since they pretty much used Galaxy class parts for it. But what about the later model?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Or maybe it has an 'Aerowing'
*vomits*
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
You should see a doctor about that.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Doc, every time i think about the Aerowing, which is supposedly a detachable craft aboard the USS Voyage, i get violently ill because they never showed it, and what the hell is it for, anyway?
"I'll remember this next time.. i may think twice about requesting that someone state the nature of the medical emergency"
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Ok...I looked at the TNG Tech Manual last night...I don't know where you came up with the definitive statement that the yacht was designed using sets from the show. You can't hardly see anything. What you're saying is the ready room isn't labeled as such and looks to actually be part of the bridge. It doesn't even have a fish tank and is way out of scale. The quarters off to the side are just quarters...yah they could use one of the room sets with the sloping windows for it, I'll give you that.
The bridge does have a console and a viewscreen that look similar to the Ent's bridge, but I doubt you could fit the whole bridge into the upper portion of the yacht. My guess is it's just two consoles, a viewscreen and a command chair.
The Blueprints of the Ent-D go down to the top of the Captain's Yacht and show the connecting airlock, but do not show the inside (why show us the cool stuff). To their credit, the stuck to the dorsal diagram from the Tech Manual.
In short (far too late for that), I'm going to say that the interior of the Captain's Yacht is still quite open for design possibilities.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Why DIDN'T Rick and co. put the inside of the Cap'n's yacht on the Blue Prints!?!
And back to my question... was the 6 ft model of the E-D built with a detachable... captain's yacht!?! (It was the model that could separate - the later 4ft model couldn't... separate).
Andrew
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I'd be guessing, but I don't think that it could. IIRC, the lower part of the saucer is one of the parts that could detach for the mounting rods and electrical wiring to go in. But again...I'm not sure about that.
If the model wasn't able to separate, and they had ever decided to go with the yacht, they probably would have built a small section of the saucer underside and filmed a close up of the yacht departing ala Insurrection.
As for why they didn't show us the inside of the yacht on the blueprints...who knows...but it made me mad. I mean they showed us every square inch of the ship down to the toilets and then...no yacht...sigh
Posted by Fedaykin Supastar (Member # 704) on :
maybe the Yacht doesn't exists, its a just an attractive marketing ploy to make more money for the federation....
but then again they dont use money, but of course this could have been the new economic policy, 20th century advertising gimmicks!!!!!!!
LOL Buzz
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Appropriately (?) enough, it was probably the first thing sheared off the hull when the saucer slid out in Generations. I wonder if they went back to get it? The Veridians will find it and travel to new star systems in unbelievably comfort.. at impulse power
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