A few comments on this latest addition to Ex Astris databases. There are fewer points of controversy there than in the other two new databases, but one can always find a nit to pick...
"Imperial Romulan Warbird" is spoken in "Face of the Enemy", but not really seen abbreviated. Perhaps it's actually abbreviated as "IRWB", to stay more consistent with "PWB"?
A "Romulan interceptor" is no match to Quark's Treasure in speed in "Little Green Men", but might still deserve a mention. So would the unseen Romulan "troop transport" the scientist in "Eye of the Needle" offers to summon.
Where does the name "Bird of Prey" come from for the "Balance of Terror" vessel type? It's not in the dialogue of that episode, but it might very well be in "The Deadly Years". If not, then it's simple fanfic and not canonical hard data.
Finally, a suggestion: could the images of starship exteriors and interiors from the Gallery be cross-linked to the Database entries, in addition to being available directly through the Gallery? A one-stop data dump on a given starship class, including full visual documentation, might be fun! Unless, of course, it means that the Database takes nineteen minutes to load.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Also, BoT mentions that Romulan ships from the Terro-Romulan War era had birds painted on them, too. Might want to mention that.
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
Just for the hell of it, I might add that Romulan "birds of prey" were called "warbirds" in novels and such for years. I'm pretty sure they were utterly unidentified.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
What about the Tubular Romulan ship seen in the Chronology and Encycs.
What is the URL to the Romulan page?
Also - I heard like that tubular early Romulan ship and the Daedelus Class, that there was a similar early Klingon ship too!?! Never EVER seen it though.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
What about the Tubular Romulan ship seen in the Chronology and Encycs.
What is the URL to the Romulan page?
Also - I heard like that tubular early Romulan ship and the Daedelus Class, that there was a similar early Klingon ship too!?! Never EVER seen it though.
Posted by Galen (Member # 72) on :
Speaking of that tubular Romulan ship, does anyone have a scan of it?
Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Galen: Speaking of that tubular Romulan ship, does anyone have a scan of it?
That reminds me...I spoke to Greg Jein some years ago about that Chronology Romulan ship model, and was disappointed to hear he had taken no pix of it before handing it over to Okuda and company. I would have liked to have seenthe details. He said he was going to try to get it back to take some pix...I think a phone call is in my near future...
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
From the Neutral Zone Database:
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: Also - I heard like that tubular early Romulan ship and the Daedelus Class, that there was a similar early Klingon ship too!?! Never EVER seen it though.
I've never even heard of that, were pictures ever published? anyone have a scan? It could be one of Kor's old D-5s
Posted by Phelps (Member # 713) on :
Never heard of that. I don't think it's in the Encyclopedia or the Chronology, and, as far as I remember, we haven't seen Klingon spaceships from the distant past. Well, unless you count the Barge of the Dead...
[ November 29, 2001: Message edited by: Phelps ]
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
This klingon ship is like the Tubular Romulan Ship and the Daedelus - not ever seen on screen... (I'm not counting the Daedelus on Sisko's desk.)
Andrew
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Obviously, but if the klingon ship exists then there should be a photo of it floating around somewhere.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Did Greg Jein build the Daedelus AND the TRS (Tubular Romulan Ship)? If so, maybe that rumour about the Klingon equivalent might be able to be checked with him. As mentioned earlier, maybe the models were taken from him before any pictures were able to be made of them?
Andrew
Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: From the Neutral Zone Database:
That elevation drawing of the Romulan "Tube ship" appears to be more wrong than right. The "wings" are completely wrong in both shape and size, the nacelles are too long, the front end is wrong.
I bent and skewed the scanned photo around and was able to extract what I think is a elevation of the ship that is much closer to reality, but I can't figure out how to upload it. Help!
[ November 29, 2001: Message edited by: mrneutron ]
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: Did Greg Jein build the Daedelus AND the TRS (Tubular Romulan Ship)? If so, maybe that rumour about the Klingon equivalent might be able to be checked with him. As mentioned earlier, maybe the models were taken from him before any pictures were able to be made of them?
I take it this would be the same bloke who also did the S.S. Valient and a DY-500 model, I say this because they all seamed to be in the 1st edition chronology.
Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: From the Neutral Zone Database:
I think the following is a lot closer to what that Romulan "tube ship" looks like.
I'm open to thoughts as to where this might be inaccurate.
[ December 01, 2001: Message edited by: mrneutron ]
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Nice pic of the RTS, mrneutron. Did you make it yourself? I'm not planning to include it, but just in case I should change my mind (after all I have the SS Valiant image too).
Thanks for the other suggestions!
Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bernd: Nice pic of the RTS, mrneutron. Did you make it yourself? I'm not planning to include it, but just in case I should change my mind (after all I have the SS Valiant image too).
Thanks for the other suggestions!
Yes, I drew it. And if you want to use it, go right ahead.
[ December 02, 2001: Message edited by: mrneutron ]
Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bernd: Nice pic of the RTS, mrneutron. Did you make it yourself? I'm not planning to include it, but just in case I should change my mind (after all I have the SS Valiant image too).
Thanks for the other suggestions!
Yes, I drew it. And if you want to use it, go right ahead.
Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
Whoops. Accidentally double posted. Editing this so as not to be Captain Dunsel. Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Nice. Far more accurate.
How come your not planning to include it, Bernd? Like you've said, you've got the Valiant. And I should think this design fits very well with most people's conception of what ships of this period would look like.
-MMoM
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Also, there was somebody who did a very nice looking DY-750 pic as well. I'll see if I can track that down...
-MMoM
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: Also, there was somebody who did a very nice looking DY-750 pic as well. I'll see if I can track that down...
To my knowledge there is no such thing of a DY-750. Only a 100, 245, 430, 500, 732, 950 and a 1200. Unless of course you've seen something I haven't. If so then share please!
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
It was in the Chronology. Another model built by Greg Jein specifically for the book along with the Valiant, Daedalus, early Phoenix, and Romulan ship.
I'll go back through the old threads and see if I can find the side view that whoever did. It was really good.
-MMoM
[ December 02, 2001: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Found it.
Couldn't find the original thread, but I had the image saved on my hard drive. Consequently, I can't say who made it, but i know somebodey did, so I'm sorry I'm not able to give credit.
[ December 02, 2001: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Mr. Neutron: I think that the wings and the nacelle don't go down so low. They center line of the nacelle probably are not below the bottom of the main body. Also, I think that the edge of the open cylinder at the back is not a full circle but is cut away at the bottom. I can't quite tell how those corrugations on the bottom of the ship are related to the rear cylinder, but they I think they are related some how.
Are you going to try to reproduce that feather pattern on the top of the wing?
Posted by Scott Nixon (Member # 540) on :
Hello. I've got an unpolished schematic of the 'Earth-Romulan War' Romulan ship that I made a year or so ago (side and top view--but without the design on the wing). It's a .bmp file on my computer--I don't have a website--so I can't post it. Would one of you like to 'adopt' it on their website so it can be posted here? Please e-mail me if you're interested. Thanks.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Well ain't that ironic Monkey, thats one of mine. Theres an up-to-date version on the ASDB site, I had it down as the DY-245.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Well, that is ironic. Now you can put it under its proper name!
The long-lost DY-750 comes home!
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Reverend!?! You did that!?! It's really nice! What program do you use to do stuff like that!?!
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: Well, that is ironic. Now you can put it under its proper name! The long-lost DY-750 comes home!
What? hell no! the only cannon designs you see there are the 100 & 500 and the so called 750 does not look like it comes after the 500. I think 245 suits it fine.
Exactly where in ther series was the 750 mentioned to warrent an entry in the chronolgy anyway? because if it is a cannon designation then I'll gladly come up with a new, consistant design for it.
quote: Reverend!?! You did that!?! It's really nice! What program do you use to do stuff like that!?!
I always use PSP, the crappy old blue thing was a copy/paste & retouch of the fact files's DY-100. All the other stuff was done in vector from scratch.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Reverend: I completely agree with you. The "DY-750" model does NOT look like it came after the DY-500. And, to my knowledge, there was never any spoken reference to a DY-750 class ship. DY-245 suits me fine.
Greg Jein built this model and others for the 1st edition of the Chronology, but like Cochrane's warpship, they can be overturned at any time when a true canon version is seen. If I were Greg Jein, I would be wondering why I even bothered with all that work, since it can be invalidated at any time TPTB want to change it.
Actually now that I think about it, I'd probably feel the same way if I were Michael Okuda.
Posted by Phelps (Member # 713) on :
Why keep doing it? Because 90% of what Mike Okuda determines actually makes it onscreen. The other reason for inconsistencies between Okuda's books and onscreen is that Okuda himself often forgets what he's established, and gives varying answers to the writers. That's not to say he isn't ignored sometimes as you suggest.
There never was a need to use the old Romulan model -- besides, not all models are built for motion-control photography. They wanted to use his Phoenix model, but it wasn't narrow enough to fit inside a Titan missile.
Then again, some things are just made for fun. Greg Jein also built a full model of Rick Sternbach's pointy Voyager design, the version before Jeri Taylor asked him to make it curvier. He's a fan like us, what can you do
[ December 05, 2001: Message edited by: Phelps ]
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
I don't think Jein made the pre-Voyager model "for fun." IIRC, it was the study model for the approved final version of Voyager, right up until the last minute when TPTB changed their minds and designed the version we see in the show.
Actually, I like the pre-Voyager design much better than the final version. The only thing I didn't care for was the Danube nacelle pylons.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The other answer is, "He put all that work into it because people were paying him to."
They wanted to do a book. They wanted pics of some unseen ships. They paid him to make them.
As far as the proto-Voyager model...I had read somewhere that it was a study model as well. Blueprints of it even appeared in TV guide some time before the premiere of the show.
Posted by Phelps (Member # 713) on :
Well, yes, that's another good answer.
The pointy Voyager was supposed to be the final version of the ship. However, Jeri Taylor intervened and asked him to make it curvier, more like a Lexus. There are two models of the pointy Voyager -- the 48" long, 1:240 scale version Sternbach himself built (seen in The Art of Star Trek), and another, better model Greg Jein built in his spare time. Rick told us about the latter on startrek.expertforum.ricksternbach.
[ December 06, 2001: Message edited by: Phelps ]
Posted by pIn'a' Sov (Member # 293) on :
So tell me Aban Rune, do you have scans of the blueprints of the proto-voyager in TV-guide?
Does anybody?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
there were huge pics in The Art of Star Trek.. a lot easier than trying to magnify a TVG image i think.. doesnt someone here have them on their site?
I have a copy of it on my other computer.. i even used photoshop to light it up.. it appears in the banner for my site Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
quote:originally posted by Phelps: There are two models of the pointy Voyager -- the 48" long, 1:240 scale version Sternbach himself built (seen in The Art of Star Trek), and another, better model Greg Jein built in his spare time. Rick told us about the latter on startrek.expertforum.ricksternbach.
The 48" model was the one I was referring to. Sorry about the confusion there...I thought you meant that that was the Greg Jein model.
I never knew Jein made a better model of the pre-Voyager. Very interesting. Did he change certain details from Sternbach's study model, like the pylons? Was the model filmable? If it was, it's too bad that it never appeared as a guest starship, like what happened similarly with the Pasteur.
I'm probably reaching here, but I don't suppose Jein took any photos, or if he still has the model?
[ December 06, 2001: Message edited by: Dukhat ]
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
*files "Fate of the Jein pointy-nosed Voyager" in the big folder filled with cards titled "Legato's early Wolf 359 footage" and "Early too TOSish-looking NX-01 concept"*
[ December 06, 2001: Message edited by: The_Tom ]
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Don't forget "the Deneva-class starship from TNG Legacy." Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Thought that was the Merchantman...
Posted by pIn'a' Sov (Member # 293) on :
Captain Mike: Well, I have the images on my site, scanned from the book. But they are modelshots, I thought the tvguide pics were blueprints?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
The blueprints are in one of the coffee table art books too i though.. one that had a chapter about Voyager, but no actual photos, save Sternbach's sketches because it was that early in the design process.. im not sure which one it was.. 'Continuing Mission' maybe?
