Now we know that in Star Trek Nemesis, Riker will get a new command, the U.S.S. Titan.
Does anyone know to what class that ship will belong? Sovereign, Galaxy,...? Is there any confirmed info on the subject?
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
I think it's been said this ship will be of a new design...
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
It's very likely that this will be a new ship design. These people have a movie budget to work with, and they want to give the hero a cool ship. There is no special coolness value in any existing design, really - unless the Titan is to be another Sovereign. And I don't think TPTB want to show two ships of the same class when they have a chance to do two different ships.
What I suspect will happen is that a ship will be designed that comes from the "Sovereign family" and is almost as big and impressive, but is clearly and immediately distinguishable from the E-E. Much like the Reliant was distinguishable from the E-nil in the second movie... Making the Titan radically different from the E-E would be a bad move, since the audience would go "Huh? The one is a Starfleet starship, but what is this other thing?" or at least "Why is there no consistency in Starfleet ship design nowadays?".
In theory, the Akira and Prometheus classes could also be used - they are the only other modern starships out there with sufficient detailing. But IMHO it wouldn't be flattering to have these midgets next to the E-E. The Akira with the transversely stretched saucer looks fat and slow compared with the longitudally stretched E-E, and the Prometheus is so darn small (even if it does have the right shape of nacelles).
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Yes, I agree that it will probably be a new design that is very similar to the Sovvie. Especially so if the ship will play more than a "fly off into the sunset with her new skipper on board" role. I could see it being a reuse if it's only going to be in the movie at the end like the ships in Generations. But if the Titan and the Enterprise are going to be fighting alongside each other, it'll definitely be a new design.
If it helps any...my Nebula Class is named the Titan.... Doesn't help? Well, I didn't think it would Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
It might be that we never even see the Titan in the movie. There's no mention of multiple-starship operations in the current spoilers: Riker commands the Enterprise in the big battle scenes, and other Federation vessels are only mentioned in the passing in some unconfirmed rumors.
So perhaps the movie will end with Picard shaking hands with Riker on the E-E obs lounge, saying something like "Too bad you're moving over to the Titan, I lose a good officer and a mean poker adversary" and Riker going all mushy, then departing for greener pastures. Zoom to closing door, then refocus on contemplative Picard, then pan to the stars and fade out. The last image of a Trek movie need NOT be that of a departing starship - ST3 had none (nor did ST5, for that matter, but let's forget I mentioned that).
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
Now that would almost be like a TNG episode: "Hey Wes, the Merrimac has arrived to pick you up. - Closeup on Wesley...five minutes of dialogue pass by - then: "Bad luck, Wes. They just left again"
And we never saw the bloody ship for cryin out loud. Wasn't that what (nearly) always happened? I hope they won't do that in the movie.
By the way, I think the ending was the only part of ST.V that I liked - at least a bit. I quite liked it that they reused the ending almost entirely in First Contact.
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
OK, can we get a somebody to edit the title to be more specific concerning what's being spoiled? I had no idea the Titan referred to Nemesis until after I read the first post.
From now on people, when making threads or posts with spoiler warnings, lets make sure they what they are spoiling specifically.
Posted by Michael_T (Member # 144) on :
Well, they could use the design Eaves made for First Contact even though it was a rough one. The USS Titan would then be like the USS Reliant in ST2.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I'm of the opinion that we won't be seeing the Titan in Nemesis. From what we know of the plot, it won't figure into it in any significant way, and at the end of a movie it's usually bad to introduce new elements to get the audience riled up about something. So even if the Titan appears, I strongly believe that it'll be some ship design we've seen before.
Mark
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
Prometheus was a Titan.
In a sane world USS Prometheus could be a member of the Titan class. In a Paramount world.... Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
The U.S.S. Prometheus was Prometheus class.
And I'm not positive about this, but I could have sworn I heard a rumor that there is indeed a scene which takes place on board the Titan between Riker & Troi. So that would, of course, necessitate the need for an actual ship. However, if the ship doesn't appear until the end of the movie, and only has screen time for a few minutes, then I highly doubt that it will be a new design. Of course, I may not be giving the new VFX people enough credit here. I'm just basing my assumption on what Paramount would probably want.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Maybe Reg Barclay might be Riker's CEO!?!
I don't like the name 'Titan'... sounds like 'Titanic' ;o)
If it IS a brand spanking new ship (which they think we always want... we DON'T) Let's hope there is some design continuity - not like the Akira/Steamrunner/Sabre/Norway. And that the REGISTRY is correct.
I think it'd be nice to see Riker get a Galaxy class starship - it'd be nice sorta like "going home". Then they could use the bridge set at Star Trek: The Experience.
Not more Riker in the ship playing with his Joystick/Picard on planet. RIKER is the XO - he should be beaming into hazardous situations.
Generations did it so did Insurrection. CRAP.
ALSO, I hope the script has a pretty darn good reason to move on to a Captaincy... he's already passed it up in 2364, 2365 and 2366, why again all of a sudden in 2379 - 13 years later!?!
Also, I hope we get to see more of the old extras that we used to see in the TV series and in the movies. Alyssa Ogawa, Reg Barclay, Ensign McKnight, Ensign Taurik, Lt. Lavelle, Ensign Raeger, Ensign Taitt (I'm sure all these people have been promoted) that dark and spikey haired lady that has been in several positions on the bridge - she was also in Generations (in yellow) and First Contact. That useless science officer in Best of Both WorklOBW Part 1 who helps Riker up - she does nothing to stop the Borg though Oh I'd like a casual mention of Dr. Sela - it's been a while - was the last mention season 7? Doubt we'd see Lt. Ro. If it's a Romulan movie - why no Sela!?! Pity Andreas Katsula is busy with B5 again - Tomalok needs a dusting off!
[ January 09, 2002: Message edited by: AndrewR ]
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
You mean Dr. Selar? Yah...any excuse to see Suzie Plackson again (probably spelled her name wrong). Me-OW!
OK...that was piggish of me.
I agree that seeing a brand spanking new ship at the very tail end of the movie would be a bad thing. We'd never know anything about it and it would add needless frustration to our lives.
It's almost certain, though, that Riker won't move on until after the main part of the story if there are no scenes with both ships in the action. Otherwise, Riker wouldn't be in the movie much at all.
My guess is that the issue with finally accepting a promotion will have somethign to do with his marriage. It'll be an "all the pieces of my life are falling right into place" kind of thing.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Given that Riker's replacement on the 'Enterprise' has been cast, I think its a good bet we'll see the 'Titan.'
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
It could be a continuation of the Endeavour concept for First Contact, or perhaps some other cut FC design, like the Zandura.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I remember the Zandura concept, but what the Endeavor thing?
Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
There were some pencil sketches of the Endeavor in the Sketchbook for Generations and First Contact (page 203). What the heck was the Zandura? This is the first I've heard of it.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Uhh, somebody post the Zandura image again. . . I bet it'll either be an entirely new class, or an old favourite like a Galaxy.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Yah...post the Endeaver pics too....pretty please. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Endeavour == Mirandized Sovereign that was supposed to be the flagship of the FC fleet, but was never actually modelled
Zandura == four-nacelled ship drawn for the FC battle, but also never modelled
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
On the subject of Riker's replacement being on the Enterprise during at least part of the movie, and Riker's new ship probably not being seen in the movie, you could explain Commander Martin Madden's presence by his being there in a transition period. After all, Riker's been XO to Picard for over fifteen years, and Madden will probably need to learn stuff and familiarize himself with the crew and ship operations - what better person to do that but Riker? And if not Riker, then who's gonna teach Madden to be really tall and swagger like him?
Mark
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
'Course, they totally stole the Endeavour idea from me. . . 8)
But I don't think that'll happen. The new XO - I'll call him Culp, ok? - will not want to be compared to the previous XO. He's also certainly an experienced officer, with at least service as a second officer and possibly experience as an XO already. He knows the ropes -- just not the details for the Enterprise. And he'll learn quickly, just as Riker did those first few months out in space on the ship.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Holy!... I've never seen those pics of the Zandura and Endeavour before. I'm just thinking about what it would've been like if they would've put them in the film.
Posted by Michael_T (Member # 144) on :
Well the Endeavor ship will confuse the hell out of me, and the four naclled ship will make me think that the USS Prometheus was in the film.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I like the Endeavor more than the Zandura, but I can't say I'm loopy over either of them. They just don't bring it for me...
I doubt they're going to spend getting into the Riker/Madden transition. At the most, I could see Madden being aboard as second officer or something until Riker transfers and this being Riker's last mission on the Enterprise. In that case, we may get to see Picard dealing with the transition in private. But I doubt MAdden will have a very large role.
[ January 10, 2002: Message edited by: Aban Rune ]
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