Further, did we see them in a Type-7 before it crashed?
Sorry if I'm being uber-nitpicky.
[ September 23, 2002, 01:46: Message edited by: TSN ]
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
The shuttle (from "Skin of Evil") was never shown intact. It was identified as "shuttle 13", and used the interior sets of the Type 7 shuttle, since those were the only interiors available at the time. And it was one of the few to have an expendable chauffeur and not a leading character flying it. But that's pretty much all we know about it.
When the rest of the heroes study the situation from aboard the Enterprise, the Okudagrams show the image of an intact Type 7. However, this may be taken to merely be a standard symbol for "Starfleet Shuttlecraft", regardless of the actual type of the craft.
Interestingly enough, this is the only TNG shuttle that was witnessed to be in independent warp transit between star systems (although only in dialogue, not in visuals). All the other shuttles in TNG puttered around at impulse, or performed their possible interstellar trips off screen AND off microphone.
One could thus speculate that it takes a special shuttle design to perform an interstellar voyage. Types 6 and 7 probably did have warp drive, since they had nacelles, and since later shuttles of comparable design have been warp-capable. But this special shuttle may have been the TNG era runabout, capable of significantly higher warp factors.
It is worth noting that the crashed shuttle was built in miniature form, and completely from scratch. Thus, there was no reason it COULDN'T have been an exact likeness of a Type 7 if that was the producers' intention. It is also obvious that there was NO attempt whatsoever to make it look like a type 7. The apparent "rear window" is a prominent (and runabout-like) feature that apparently deliberately completely separates the wreckage from Type 7.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
Why do the nacelles of Starfleet shuttles and runabouts separate from the main body in a crash? This occured with 'Shuttlecraft 13' and the Yangtze Kiang in "Battle Lines". I think there is a third instance where this event occured. Maybe the Campbell, of "Power Play"? Opinions.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
IIRC the okudagram didn't show a Type 7, but the shuttle from the Velara III matte painting/Conspiracy computer screens.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spike: IIRC the okudagram didn't show a Type 7, but the shuttle from the Velara III matte painting/Conspiracy computer screens.
Also, I thought the Conspiracy screen was showing a Type-7.
Posted by That guy (Member # 878) on :
^ That looks a lot like the Type 7 to me, although the two are very similar.
The main difference between the two are those long windows, but you can't see that far in the display. I personally consider the two(or more) designs Type 7 shuttles, but maybe the dreaded differently sized variants. The mock up exterior in Skin of Evil is way smaller than the bad one used in the various season two shuttlebay shots.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Interesting question! Yeah, it's nitpicky, but that's what we're here for. Right, guys?
I suppose I can't come up with a Trek-universe answer, but the Encyclopedia specifically mentioned that the production team had trouble making models based on that extremely-curved shuttle design. I guess that they didn't try too hard for the partial hull that was going to be buried in rock for one episode.
Besides, I'd think that the nacelles and the basic curved shape are enough to conclude that it was a Type-7. IMO of course.
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
Since someone brought it up, a possible runabout from the pre-TNG era.
I don't think any of the TNG Shuttles are large enough to be Runabouts.
Posted by Capped In Mic (Member # 709) on :
meh.. needs some continuity fixing, since in 'paradise' [ds9] o'brien mentions that they came in a runabout, and the dude asks 'what's a runabout' and o'brien responds 'its a new kind of ship they came up with two years ago' or something like that.
of course, i find that distasteful since runabouts were mentioned in both a diane carey novel and the fasa rpg. but that's just me.
possibly runabouts had always been around, but o'brien was specifically referring to the danube-class. and the engineer guy in the episode would have to be a moron. which he was.
ok fixed.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
If inter-episode reuse means anything, shuttle 13 was, prior to this, stolen by one of Wesley's friends and then saved thanks to careful air-traffic controlling.
Or at least, that's what the encyclopedia says. I don't think I was actually able to make out the number on the shuttle, which is never quite seen from the right angle to do so. Or am I crazy and backwards and wrong? I am only home for a day. Or two.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
From "Paradise":
ALIXUS After all this time... visitors! Welcome to our community. Are there others?
SISKO Just an empty runabout in orbit. Hopefully, it'll attract some attention.
JOSEPH (hungry for news) "Runabout." Is that some kind of new Starfleet vessel?
O'BRIEN (realizing he wouldn't know) Yeah, they commissioned the first ones two years ago... they're short- range interstellar craft... about a quarter the size of your... "cabin" here...
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
The nacelles in the shuttlepod used in Power Play never seperated... they just got buried with most of the shuttle. That shuttle looks like it was made fairly quickly though. Kinda funny, the nacelles look like the ones on the Princeton model that Greg Jein made later on.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
I still can't believe the "Skin of Evil" mock-up had anything to do with Type 7. If the intent was to imitate Type 7, no matter how poorly, it would make no sense to paint on those cheat lines that were not part of the Type 7 paint pattern. And the mock-up has plenty of intricate compound curves already, so it's not as if there were savings involved.
Either a new design was supposed to be suggested all the time, but TPTB had no interest in making it a full model, or reusing it. So they asked the modelers to come up with a little something.
Or then there were spare elements of suitable size lying about somewhere (perhaps failed experiments at producing a Probert-type "Sphinx" shuttle), and TPTB said "Yes, we did want Type 7, but those elements are so handy that we'll use them instead. Don't bother modifying them, we don't have the money or the time".
Either way, our wreckage in "Skin of Evil" does represent a "new and unseen design" - or at least I can see no harm in assuming this is the case.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Timo: Either way, our wreckage in "Skin of Evil" does represent a "new and unseen design" - or at least I can see no harm in assuming this is the case.
(pats self on back) Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
You know, we�ve already had this discussion actually and already concluded that it was a variant. Check out my page from more screengrabs, these are at least a year old, I forget.
quote:Originally posted by Starship Freak: You know, we�ve already had this discussion actually and already concluded that it was a variant. Check out my page from more screengrabs, these are at least a year old, I forget.
3. Where did those kickass scenes of the Aerowing launching come from?
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
^ There was a feature on the launching of the Aeroshuttle in the fact files a few months ago, it had those four new CGI shots. I hope they cover the shuttle itself some time.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan:
Besides, I'd think that the nacelles and the basic curved shape are enough to conclude that it was a Type-7. IMO of course.
If we follow that though, are we suppossed to assume that the Yanktzee Kiang was really a type 6 shuttle when it crashed?
Posted by O Captain Mike Captain (Member # 709) on :
BTW that foreground nacelle could have landed upside down, explaiing why theres no ripped attachments on the top of the model
still doesnt explain the side of the ship lacking an attachment though
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: If we follow that though, are we suppossed to assume that the Yanktzee Kiang was really a type 6 shuttle when it crashed?
I . . . uh . . . er . . . um . . right, see, that was just a gaffe, since we saw the runabout intact, and knew what she otherwise looked like, and stuff.
Or something. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Capped In Mic: meh.. needs some continuity fixing, since in 'paradise' [ds9] o'brien mentions that they came in a runabout, and the dude asks 'what's a runabout' and o'brien responds 'its a new kind of ship they came up with two years ago' or something like that.
of course, i find that distasteful since runabouts were mentioned in both a diane carey novel and the fasa rpg. but that's just me.
possibly runabouts had always been around, but o'brien was specifically referring to the danube-class. and the engineer guy in the episode would have to be a moron. which he was.
ok fixed.
1. *sigh* it is INDEED you Cap'n... cause well... 'novel' and 'fasa' are all I have to say.
2. He don't be so hard on that Engineer guy - he was married to Alexis or what-ever her name was. The Psycho woman who kept them on that planet. (She's the same woman who borrowed Elaine's Tennis racquet which was really Mr. Pitt's wasn't it? )
3. The markings on that crashed shuttle makes it look PERFECT (and has the right feel) to be an Enterprise-C era shuttle!!
4. The Campbell from "Power Play"?? Named after whom?
Just looking at this close up pic of the Intrepid Bridge... you can really see the sets of windows that are in the roof of the Bridge. (Yes the E-D wasn't the only ship to have a window in the bridge. The designers (Richard James) carefully hid the windows up and around that central doohicky - doesn anyone know what those are for.
It's a pity we didn't get to see any light/explosions shine throught the windows as they did on DS9 when there was a Wormwhole PROBLEM - i.e. big flash of light light also came in through the upper windows.
It would have been nice to have seen sunshine come through the windows when the ship was landed... like in "The 37's".
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