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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
http://www.trekmania.net/the_fleet/utopia/others/niagara-screencap.jpg

Can I just ask about this pic. It doesn't look 'right' - never has. OK we've all agreed it's a Niagra. Why, though does it look all skew-iff in that scene... the nacelles don't line up with the saucer. The Saucer looks like it's been ripped off and has floated free/wierd angle. Can anyone explain? Things don't line up nicely.

Andrew
 
Posted by Starship Millennium (Member # 822) on :
 
To me, it looks weird for a few reasons. One, the lighting is off and there are weird shadows all over the place. Second, the starboard nacelle has been ripped off, or at least horribly bent, and is now almost directly above the top of the engineering section.

I don't know what you mean about the saucer looking like it has been ripped off... but if it does to you, it's probably due to the angle the nacelle is at.
 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
I always used to think that this was a three-nacelled ship, with the starboard nacelle gone, because of the weird angles.
 
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
 
It is a three nacelled ship. The third nacelle is on the bottom of the secondary hull.
 
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
In the pic, the port nacelle looks farther out from the secondary hull than in the schematics I've seen.
She's still ugly as a cat's ass. Possibly worse than the "yeager" mutt from the DS9TM even.
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Yes it's the nacelles - they are all out of alignment - and even looking past the missing bussard collector - they nacelles/secondary hull doesn't line-up with the 'raised structures' on the primary hull. Like the whole thing has been twisted. (Or as I mentioned the saucer has come loose/off and has floated around) probably just a twist though.
 
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
 
The upper starboard nacelle has been damaged. As I put in in the analysis:

... the fact that this Niagara appears to have its third nacelle mounted in a dorsal position is in fact a visual deception. It is the starboard nacelle's pylon which has deformed and twisted due to damage inflicted in combat, and has been bent approximately 45 degrees upwards and round. You can also see that the port nacelle's bussard collector is clearly missing, that's apparent on the physical model as well.

Compare:

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Posted by Endeavour3d (Member # 901) on :
 
http://www.trekmania.net/the_fleet/princeton-model.jpg

http://www.trekmania.net/the_fleet/utopia/princeton-model3.jpg

http://www.trekmania.net/the_fleet/utopia/princeton-firebrand1.jpg
 
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
In the one cap above, it looks like the port nacelle is slightly twisted....
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Yeah - as if you grabbed the nacelle with your left hand and twisted it... clockwise a couple of degrees.

This makes sense now - everything was bent.

NOW look at the cap though - some schematic changes might have to be made?? The 'rectangular' upper decks seem to have 'rims' i.e. where shadows are cast, and a row of windows along the circumference of the saucer.

Andrew
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
The physical model doesn't seem to reflect the shadows that appear on the screen-grab. So how would those 'rim' like shadows appear on the upper deck platforms on top of the saucer?

And reguards the CGI schematic... I reckon the nacelle pylons might be a little too thin compared to here: http://www.trekmania.net/the_fleet/utopia/princeton-model3.jpg
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
And on the Firebrand schematics... under the saucer near the captain's yacht area they have that wierd rounded square shape. I think that's wrong - if you look on this pic, the thing in that area just looks to be round... possibly the round 'cap' in that area from the Ambassador Class.

http://www.trekmania.net/the_fleet/utopia/princeton-firebrand1.jpg
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Oh and the Princeton CGI model doesn't have the two square arboretum windows at the back of the saucer section.
 
Posted by Solommagnus de Pym (Member # 239) on :
 
Calm down there, little feller.
 
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
Who's the woman holding the Firebrand model? She's pretty cute.
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Who's the guy!?! [Big Grin] j/k j/k! [Smile]

Yeah that girl is pretty cute. Funny how she's got the ship with the ONE nacelle! [Smile]

Still prefer Hoshi though! [Smile]
 
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
The pic with Okuda holding the ship seems to have the same "lip" around the secondary hull, but not on the other pics....it's even kind of in Red's CGI version.....nice comparison there Red. [Wink]
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Dat's Greg Jein, I believe. And which lip are you talking about?

Andrew
 
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
 
Maybe I should change my screen name seeing as some around here like to use "dat" for "that" instead.
 
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by AndrewR:
Dat's Greg Jein, I believe. And which lip are you talking about?

Andrew

The lip near the connection of the nacelle pylons with the secondary hull.....like on the Ambassador class.
 
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
 
I'm not sure what 'lip' you mean, I can't see one evident on the Niagara. As for inconsistencies between the 3D model and real, physical studio model, it was made long before these new pics of the Niagara became available. I had only the photo with Greg Jein, and the schematics based on it, to go with.
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Not being horrible Admiral, just pleasantly picking at it! [Smile] It's a very good job.

NOW GO AN UPDATE IT!! [Smile]

Andrew
 
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
I refer to the area under Okuda's hand in this pic:
http://www.trekmania.net/the_fleet/princeton-model.jpg
Red's CGI version (very nice BTW)has a slight "lip" extending around the shuttlebay, like the much more pronounced version on the Ambassador. On the Ambassador this lip curcles the aft of the secondary hull and is the point where the nacelle pylons attach.
As for the photo: it may just be the angle: I cant really view the ship for too long without wincing. So....ugly....
 
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by AndrewR:
Dat's Greg Jein, I believe.

[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by LET CAPTAIN = MIKE THEN GOSUB 420 (Member # 709) on :
 
Greg jein belongs to Dat now? Did he buy him on eBay?
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
The only thing I see under Bizarro-Okuda's (i.e. Greg Jein's) hand in the picture is the lower nacelle.
 
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
 
[Big Grin] Yeah, I bought him for several hundred thousand and pay him nearly 50 grand a year. He now makes models for me. [Big Grin] I've got to be careful though, I'm getting hints that he wants a raise or two.
 
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TSN:
The only thing I see under Bizarro-Okuda's (i.e. Greg Jein's) hand in the picture is the lower nacelle.

That's Jein? Now I know why I hate "behind the scenes" stuff! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by The Mike from C.A.P.T.A.I.N. (Member # 709) on :
 
did you picture him as being some suave, tuxedoed secret agent-by-day, Trek modeler-by-night?

Me, i knew that he looked a lot like Buck Bokai.
 
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Here is the best model of Princton that I've ever seen.
link

...made of freakin' wood no less!

[ November 19, 2002, 13:16: Message edited by: TSN ]
 
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
 
That's a great model... [Eek!]

I believe I see the 'lip' you mean now, but the reason I was confused is because it isn't a lip, like the one on the Ambassador. It is in fact the top side of the Niagara's ventral nacelle.
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
Here is the best model of Princton that I've ever seen.
link

...made of freakin' wood no less!

The forgot the arboretum though! [Smile]
 


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