Remember that fragment of a ship that we see float past the Defiant in the Borg Battle during First Contact? OK this might be old - but I was flipping throught the TNG movie sketch book - packed with John Eaves' crappy drawings. Anyway there is this nice - unseen looking ship there by Tom Goodson?? anyway I then flipped the page to that label from beer? with Zephram Cochrane's facee on it. Theh little fragment piece of ship is on there. I reckon that the fragment is from this lovely looking ship - we never saw.
Anyone have a scan of that ship - the line drawing?
Andrew
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Here's a colored version.
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
I don�t think it�s the same, the escapepods are wrong. Here�s my version Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
It's a chunk of the Zandura: a Alex Yeager design that never was completely built for the film. http://neutralzone.future.easyspace.com/indexfra.htm Cool design too IMHO. Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
Mleh, doesn't match up to the Zandura if you ask me, at least not based on the sketch. There aren't any escape pods or the raised section at the front. The curve of the saucer is also more rounded on the debris. I think it's part of a different ship that we haven't seen.
I don't think it was designed as anything more than 'generic Starfleet debris'.
[ March 18, 2003, 12:22 AM: Message edited by: Harry ]
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
huh. With a name like "generic starfleet debris" you'd think it'd be an Oberth.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I'm pretty sure Harry's correct. I don't think it was ever supposed to be anything specific... just a chunk of debris with identifiable Starfleet markings.
Oh... and I have also always thought the Goodson was a descent design. I nominate Reverend to flesh that puppy out. Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
I thought that the ship(s) posted by Starship Freak and Harry is/are the early Endeavour-drawings whereas this one from the sketch book shows the 'Real' Zandura. (Taken from TNZ Starship Database, don't have my scanner installed at the moment ). Look at the ship's registry: 7105. The Endeavour's is 71805. Probably the same type of error we had with the Akira-drawings (the four digit registry the fact files corrected to a 5-digit registry to use as the 'actual' number of the USS Akira). The name Zandura is written down in the upper left corner of this image, allthough the ship itself doesn't have a name/number.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Two things:
1) Who made that site Jason linked to, and 2) Why are they using my schematic of the Zandura without my permission? Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Funny thing, I always assumed that fragment was the top of a saucer or something - yet now I look at it and it looks more like the underside of something. . .
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Well that NCC-1705 thing up there is gorgeous, does it have a name?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
This has been covered several time before, I'm sure, and it's pretty definite that the wreckage matches up with NEITHER of the sketches. I still don't know why people keep associating it with the Zandura.
As to the other sketch, is that a name above the registry number? On the scan it's impossible to make out, but is it any clearer in the actual book? I didn't think this design was ever associated with the name Endeavour. Eaves did the would-be Endeavour's design.
Alex: Maybe I'm misinterpreting you, but if you're trying to say that the sketch might have been the source for the Endeavour's registry number as we know it, you'd be mistaken. It had already been given on the tachyon detection grid display several years before in "Redemption" (TNG).
-MMoM Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"1) Who made that site Jason linked to..."
Well, judging by the e-mail links at the bottom of the pages, it seems to have been made by one Captain Cabac.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Topher: Two things:
1) Who made that site Jason linked to, and 2) Why are they using my schematic of the Zandura without my permission?
The line drawing?!? Nice. Did you ever make rear or forward views? If you dd (do) I'll build the ship as a physical model to go with my fleet. I always liked that design. Where do you think it seperates? In the middle so each half has nacelles woyld be by guess. Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: This has been covered several time before, I'm sure, and it's pretty definite that the wreckage matches up with NEITHER of the sketches. I still don't know why people keep associating it with the Zandura.
As to the other sketch, is that a name above the registry number? On the scan it's impossible to make out, but is it any clearer in the actual book? I didn't think this design was ever associated with the name Endeavour. Eaves did the would-be Endeavour's design.
Alex: Maybe I'm misinterpreting you, but if you're trying to say that the sketch might have been the source for the Endeavour's registry number as we know it, you'd be mistaken. It had already been given on the tachyon detection grid display several years before in "Redemption" (TNG).
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: The line drawing?!? Nice. Did you ever make rear or forward views? If you dd (do) I'll build the ship as a physical model to go with my fleet. I always liked that design. Where do you think it seperates? In the middle so each half has nacelles woyld be by guess.
Its not that great of a line drawing, really. I did it quickly and didn't match up the lines well. All I did was trace over the side view that I had scanned in from the Mag.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
That Eaves-Endeavour rocks! Especially the bottom right sketch, that's the best one.
But who did that NCC-1705 line drawing on the first page? I don't mean the Zandura/Matrix Squid. ;-
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Alex: Maybe I'm misinterpreting you, but if you're trying to say that the sketch might have been the source for the Endeavour's registry number as we know it, you'd be mistaken. It had already been given on the tachyon detection grid display several years before in "Redemption" (TNG).
-MMoM
Someone (whoever did the 7105-sketch for the movie) took the Endeavour's registry from the Encyclopedia and drew it on his sketch, to make the vessel resemble the Endeavour. He just forgot one digit. My interpretation. And if I'm not mistaken, we never saw a Nebula-class ship with the name Endeavour on screen nor did any display identify the Endeavour as a Nebula. That guy just re-assigned the number to a new class of ship, implying that the new design had always been around throughout TNG.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
If that's the case, it was a pretty advanced ship for TNG. Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon, corrected by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: If that's the case, it was a pretty eavesish ship for TNG.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: I'm pretty sure Harry's correct. I don't think it was ever supposed to be anything specific... just a chunk of debris with identifiable Starfleet markings.
Oh... and I have also always thought the Goodson was a descent design. I nominate Reverend to flesh that puppy out.
But I think the NCC could easily be in the 40-50K range due to the older look of the nacelles and struts...
Mark
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Gwoo! Great stuff!
But I think the NCC could easily be in the 40-50K range due to the older look of the nacelles and struts...
Mark
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Yeah...but that is actually the Yorktown's registry number, for you see this is a candidate for the Zodiac-Class at the ASDB.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: Someone (whoever did the 7105-sketch for the movie) took the Endeavour's registry from the Encyclopedia and drew it on his sketch, to make the vessel resemble the Endeavour. He just forgot one digit. My interpretation. And if I'm not mistaken, we never saw a Nebula-class ship with the name Endeavour on screen nor did any display identify the Endeavour as a Nebula. That guy just re-assigned the number to a new class of ship, implying that the new design had always been around throughout TNG.
Oh, okay. I just was misinterpreting you.
To be as anal-retentively fanboyishly correct as possible, I'll point out that Picard's PADD did in fact list the classes of the tachyon grid ships. (The Endeavour is the first one on the list.) But of course, the FC artist wouldn't have known or probably cared about this insignificant detail, so what you're saying still stands.
-MMoM Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Very nice Rev!! Side view??
I love that Goodson ship. Very nice.
Andrew
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Very nice Rev!! Side view??
I love that Goodson ship. Very nice.
Andrew
No, it's a top view.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Very nice Rev!! Side view??
I love that Goodson ship. Very nice.
Andrew
No, it's a top view.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
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