Does anyone know the type of weapons a Dominion Battleship uses. I'm refering to the ship which destroyed the USS Valiant. I recalled is used white glowing pulses/torpedeos although I can't remember a name for them.
If there isn't anything canon or backstage do you have any theories as to what they are?
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
phased polaron beam weapons are what is listed in the DS9 TM... but it also says there are probably other weapons--- which I'm sure there are Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I always just called them "phased polaron pulse cannons," the same type of weapon as the beam weapons they use. Kinda like the Defiant has the pulse phasers to match the more standard beam phasers...
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
Everything is better when its phased or pulsed, isn't it?
The next Dominion weapons upgrade would be what? multiphasic phased polaron pulse cannons? subspace phased polaron pulse cannons? phased polaron pulse cannons extreme?
Heh.
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
Phased Super Gundam Polaran Pulse Canon's!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I'm sure that both the heavy cruiser and battleship would also carry the type of torpedo that breeched the Defiant's hull (ep. name eludes me, but Quark and a Kerrama guy have to disarm it: it has a crystal cylinder for a detoanator).
Notice that the Dominion have no intermedeate sized ships? It's either small attack ships(90ish meters) or huge cruisers (between 650-700 meters) and the obscenely large battleships (1500 meters or thereabouts). While it's by no means canon, you should check out the Jemmie Light Cruiser made for the Dominion Wars PC game. The game sucks but looks amazing and has several great and -sucky- original starship designs for the Dominion, Cardassian and Federation.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I'm sure that both the heavy cruiser and battleship would also carry the type of torpedo that breeched the Defiant's hull (ep. name eludes me, but Quark and a Kerrama guy have to disarm it: it has a crystal cylinder for a detoanator).
"Starship Down" They were simply called "torpedos", of a variety sold to the Jem'Hadar by the Karemma. However, there was no mention of a "crystal cylinder for a detonator"...just about the 2 diodes it had, one of which was responsible for deactiving it. At least that is what I gathered from the FF version of the ep I watched. Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mucus: Everything is better when its phased or pulsed, isn't it?
The next Dominion weapons upgrade would be what? multiphasic phased polaron pulse cannons? subspace phased polaron pulse cannons? phased polaron pulse cannons extreme?
Heh.
You forgot adding "iso-" to everything. Isophased Isopolaron Isopulse Isocannons anyone?
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Notice that the Dominion have no intermedeate sized ships? It's either small attack ships(90ish meters) or huge cruisers (between 650-700 meters) and the obscenely large battleships (1500 meters or thereabouts).
I tend to think that the Jem'Hadar ended up with a pretty good range of ships. They had the small warship, medium/large battlecruiser, and gigantic battleship. They never really needed a light/medium cruiser because it would've just ended up serving the same purpose as the existing battlecruiser.
The thing that gets me is that the Romulans never seemed to have a medium sized cruiser during the entire TNG/DS9 era. In fact, they exclusively used D'deridexes during DS9. That'd be like if the Jem'Hadar only used their "Valiant" battleship. Silly really.
Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :
The Dominion also had those ~5000m UBER dreadnoughts from WYLB (externally identical to the Valiant battleship, but an order of magnitude larger)... I'd say the J'H are fairly well represented on the battlefield. B)
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
We'll, if we're going to count that, then we should also count the weird varients of the larger ships. Uh, the ones bigger than the small ones, but smaller than the big ones.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
NO 5000 meter long battlleship. Nope. Didint happen..... See Bernd's site for the lowdown. 1500 meters aprox...and that is it.
The sanity of the world and several pages of bandwidth are counting on us to drop this line of debate now.,,,,before it's too late. Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :
The world is already insane. A little extra madness won't hurt. Much. B)
Anyway, I just make a personal distinction between scenes in which ships are intentionally scaled up to suggest the existence of a MOTHAR OF GODZLILA derivative design (the BoPs from The Defector, the WYLB dreadnoughts, and, uh, the Negh'var from Shattered Mirror) and scenes where size discrepancies are the result of sloppy FX, people not doing their research, or both.
And yeah, I KNOW it's unfeasible from an engineering POV, but there you go.
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cartmaniac: Anyway, I just make a personal distinction between scenes in which ships are intentionally scaled up to suggest the existence of a MOTHAR OF GODZLILA derivative design (the BoPs from The Defector, the WYLB dreadnoughts, and, uh, the Negh'var from Shattered Mirror) and scenes where size discrepancies are the result of sloppy FX, people not doing their research, or both.
One of the guys who used to work on the VFX during TNG admitted to me in one of our emails that the ginomous BoPs in "Defector" was an error in production. That was a relatively heavy VFX laden episode, and apparently they were overworked, and that's why the scaling error occured -- it wasn't intentional.
The massive "Shattered Mirror"/"Emperors New Cloak" Negh'var is likely intentional. No real problem though since it's the Mirror Universe.
It's hard to say whether or not the "WYLB" battleships are meant to really be that big or if it's a VFX error. The only real problem is the battlecruisers flying in front but, if those battlecruisers were really attack bugs at that size, we wouldn't have a problem. Maybe the VFX team were stupid enough to get the two CG models mixed up -- it's not entirely unlikely.
When all's said and done, there are examples of ship scaling that's impossible to ignore i.e. the Hideki in "Tacking into the Wind" and the Kazon raider/shuttle.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
There was the smaller, V-winged Dominion cruiser, the one that chased that runabout in one of the first Dominion eps. It was about 385 meters, according to Daryus Aden.
The weapons the battleship used on the Valiant were homing weapons, thus they couldn't have been energy discharges.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
What the hell happened to good ol' Daryus? Swallowed by a mud bog, mayhaps?
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
The V-winged cruisers are simply the normal battlecruiser but look a little different because they were represented by a short-lived miniature/CGI (not sure which). The original fleet of cruisers that came through the wormhole were all V-wings yet all the cruisers later seen are the established type. Anyway, it's pretty clear they're meant to be one and the same.
And yes indeed, the "Valiant" battleship weapons must of been torpedos since there was a scene where the bolt/torpedo things fired in a tracking arc.
Posted by darkwing_duck1 (Member # 790) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I'm sure that both the heavy cruiser and battleship would also carry the type of torpedo that breeched the Defiant's hull (ep. name eludes me, but Quark and a Kerrama guy have to disarm it: it has a crystal cylinder for a detoanator).
Notice that the Dominion have no intermedeate sized ships? It's either small attack ships(90ish meters) or huge cruisers (between 650-700 meters) and the obscenely large battleships (1500 meters or thereabouts). While it's by no means canon, you should check out the Jemmie Light Cruiser made for the Dominion Wars PC game. The game sucks but looks amazing and has several great and -sucky- original starship designs for the Dominion, Cardassian and Federation.
You forgot the obscenely huge Dominion "dreadnaught" shown in orbit of Cardassia in "What You Leave Behind"...
Has anyone taken a shot at sizing that monster?
*dang, someone beat me to it...*
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