I've been reading about the Oberth-class Starship from Star Trek the magazine and they mentioned that it was armed with phasers. My question is, does any know where they are on the ship?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
IIRC, the model has no apparent phaser emplacements, but in the film First Contact an Oberth is seen firing from the forward part of the saucer.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Got a screencap of that? I dont recall a Oberth in FC at all. There's one in Emissary: it blows up nicely (just as almost every other Oberth ever seen does).
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Can't 'cap it, but it's time index 9:43-9:47 on the DVD. Just before 9:44 the Oberth comes out from behind the lower left corner of the Borg cube, it makes a pass around towards the front. 9:46 is where the phaser shot occurs. Following that, the ship continues in it's pass around the cube and the scene cuts to a new shot. It is quite clearly and Oberth, there is nothing indistinct about it.
Perhaps Spikey can 'cap it?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Thanks for the time index: I'll have to watch it again.
Hmmm....what the fuck could Starfleet have been thinking, sending that floating target in there?
Mabye it's another example of the captain disobeying orders....
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Someone has capped that scene before, I'm sure of it.
I actually remember seeing a full breakdown of the whole batte right here on this board. I suggest you use the search function and see what you can find.
As for where the phasers are, you may notice that the Oberth has a few little rectangular cutouts on the saucer rimm, that'd be where I would have them.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
I'd place a shuttlebay there.
Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
If that's the 120m Oberth, it'd have to be a shuttlebay for mice.
Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
The witless drones of the Federation, to be sure.
I don't have FC on DVD, otherwise I'd gladly bust a cap.
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
I didn't notice it at first, but after a second glance I saw the little fella fire its phasers.
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
You know, those are not crappy, they�re rather good! But, the oberth is seen later as well. Check out my really crappy videocaps here Please, can you do better?
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
I didn't notice it at first, but after a second glance I saw the little fella fire its phasers.
Niiiice caps! Man, that tiny ship sure can dish out the phaser fire! I agree that if it's the 120 meter long Oberth, they have had to replace that tiny forward shuttlebay with a phaser bank of some kind.
Though I think even that tiny shuttlebay can hold a shuttlepod or two.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
This is the breakdown of the FC battle, posted on this board...hoewever, the pictures are gone and the link doesn't work, so it's not of much value.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
quote: I agree that if it's the 120 meter long Oberth, they have had to replace that tiny forward shuttlebay with a phaser bank of some kind.
Well, "replacing" or otherwise using modularity is the only way one could sensibly operate such a tiny vessel anyway. The square holes on the saucer rim would be very nice places for modular gear such as mission-specific weapons or sensors.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Hmmm, too bad, it�s in there. I took the cap myself.
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
I see it now, but I can't really tell if it's an Oberth or not.
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
Actually, it's just a Saber.
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Wow, a saber??? A cap please....
ps - I just checked my own cap and you are so right! I can�t believe I didn�t see that..Especially since the Saber is my favourite ship!
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
Did I hear correctly that that battle sequence was edited back a bit?
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Are we talking about the ship that is burning and spinning out, or the small ship firing phasers in pics 69, 79, 81 and 86? Because the burning ship is obviously a Saber, and the ship in the background still looks like an Oberth.
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
Starship Freak originally thought the Saber was an Oberth at its original angle in the film. The ship that's firing in the background defintely looks like an Oberth to me, as does the other ship in the background below the Saber in 86.jpg.
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Yep, I did, but that was due to my video and the poor quality. Thanks deadcujo! Now I definetly see the saber. Can I use these caps with credit to you on my pages?
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
Sure!
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Thank you!
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Why are people insisting there should be an Oberth in First Contact?
Posted by Manticore (Member # 1227) on :
Because there is one in First Contact. Albeit in the far distance.
Posted by Intruder1701 (Member # 880) on :
One of the reasons that I have come up with for an Oberth to be at the FC battle is possibily it was set up as some sort of flying bomb filled with explosives that would when close enough to the borg ship detonate. Just one of the ideas that I kicked around. Same with the Bonestall in BOBW.
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
Or it was nearby and happened to have weapons.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
That tiny, far-away ship firing a phaser doesn't look like much of anything to me, other than a small blob.
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
Here's one more, then, of the same ship. It could be something else, but it looks like an Oberth to me.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Harry: Why are people insisting there should be an Oberth in First Contact?
Could be worse:
I've read threads (in other forums) claims that the Millennium Falcon is in that [battle] scene as well. It even includes a grainy closeup of it and all.
Supposedly it is some sort of "Easter Egg" tribute thing...personally I thought it was a Sasquatch. Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
quote:Originally posted by Intruder1701: One of the reasons that I have come up with for an Oberth to be at the FC battle is possibily it was set up as some sort of flying bomb filled with explosives that would when close enough to the borg ship detonate. Just one of the ideas that I kicked around. Same with the Bonestall in BOBW.
Seems like al-Qaeda's influence stretches into the 24th century.
*bad taste*
BTW, wasn't this scene all CGI? Or were there some physical models involved? If not, could this Oberth still be labeled as the Valiant from "Generations," or could it be just a non-detailed CG creation?
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
The Oberth's nacelles are attached to the primary hull. Nacelles on the ship in question appear unattached to the primary hull. Based on this observation, I feel this is not an Oberth-Class starship.
Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :
No, this scene still used models...most notably, the Nebula-class model was used (it's deflector is different from the CGI versions that usually just borrow parts from the Galaxy-class).
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
One more image:
I slapped an Oberth model on there at the same angle and it pretty much matches up. There's shadowing on the movie's ship that obscures some of it, but it still looks like the same type of ship.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
If anyone needs further proof that the ship in question is an Oberth, deadcujo can 'cap the next few frames following the phaser shot. The vessel passes around the front of the Borg cube and you see a ventral view of it. It is most definitely an Oberth.
And no, the First Contact battle was not entirely CGI. In fact, many people fail to note that they were still working extensively with physical models at this point, and there are probably more motion control effects than CGI effects in the film.
-MMoM Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Actually shooting at things is only one of the many tasks necessary during a battle, and is not of exclusive importance. (Knowing where to shoot, for instance, and telling who to shoot at what, when.)
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Now I realize it was not all CG...in fact, I started a thread on it two years ago. Gotta remember these things! Posted by Defiantly Running About (Member # 1216) on :
I think there are two Oberths in that battle - one fires phasers from the lower-left portion of the screen, and the other's far in the background in the upper-right.
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