Okay, We've had threads here and there requesting caps of one episode or another. Now, I would like to assemble the DEFINITIVE collection of screencaps of Federation starship bridges. I'll put them on my GeoCrappies site or something for everyone... But I have no DVDs or capping abilities, hence the request - for new caps, or places where existing caps are that we can collect.
Here's the list of ships we can start with, going by ship name, episode name, and approximate place in the episode to get a cap of the bridge. We're looking for the widest shots possible, so typically the wider establishing shots of a given scene are what we're looking for. Here we go...
PART I - TNG ships
USS Enterprise-D - "Encounter at Farpoint" - during Picard's opening monologue, he walks out of the upper turbolift and they pan across the bridge. ALSO the opening shot of the Battle Bridge when everyone assembles on it in the second (?) act.
USS Tsilkovsky - "The Naked Now" - in the first act after the away team beams aboard, they clear up a viewer with a bridge shot, and the open hatch at the rear of the bridge.
USS Stargazer - "The Battle" - in the first act, when the gang breaks into the bridge. Also conceivably when hypno-Picard is attacking the Enterprise.
USS Lantree - "Unnatural Selection" - first act, when they force a visual on the bridge and discover all the dead crew. In the scene following, there are also some visuals on the conference room monitor that could be useable.
USS Yamato - "Contagion" - in the teaser, where Donald Varley grimaces a lot.
USS Hathaway - "Peak Performance" - first or second act, when Riker's team enters the bridge for the first time, there's a big sweeping pan of the bridge. Later on in the scene, Geordi turns on teh lights and we get to see more.
USS Enterprise-D (alt.) - "Yesterday's Enterprise" - in the first part of the first act, as they're going over the discovery of the E-C. There's a nice parting wide shot at the end of the scene before they cut to the E-C bridge. There's a whole MESS of E-C shots in there, but to be honest it's a rather boring bridge. I'm sure there are plenty of E-C shots out there...
USS Hanson's ship - "Best of Both Worlds Part II". The infamous shot of Hanson sitting on the bridge (?) of his ship, which is really the battle bridge set we see later. Which brings us to:
USS Enterprise-D - "Best of Both Worlds Part II" - during Riker's abduction attack, the opening shots do give us a nice wide shot on the cube's rotating display. I think these last two have a selection of caps already, in the last Wolf 359 thread..?
USS Br!ttain - "Night Terrors" - in the teaser, there's any number of good shots lined up there., later on in the show, there's at least one good shot from the rear stations towards the fore.
USS Sutherland - "Redemption II" - the opening shots in the second act (?) where Data assumes command. Also, in the third act when they activate the Tachyon web, there is a quick shot of Riker and LaForge on the Excalibur's bridge (?) as seen on the E-D's viewer.
USS Bozeman - "Cause and Effect" - Right at the end of the show, when Captain Frasier shows up.
USS Jenol!n - "Relics" - in the teaser, when the gang beams aboard. Later in the fifth act when Scotty and LaForge fly the ship to its DOOM!
USSes Enterprise-D - "Parallels" - the various incarnations of the alternate Enterprises Worf gets transported to. There's at least one where there's a big honking lighted thing on the tactical console, and another one where a Lt. Crusher mans a tactical console with a big transparent doohickey in the back. On at least one version, there's a bridge where the center seat is raised up and the other two are removed.
USS E-D and USS Pasteur - "All Good Things..." - the FUTURE Enterprise is really what we're looking for here, best seen when the Pasterur is evacuated. As for the Pasteur, it's earlier on in the show when we're introduced to her, I think in the third act.
USS Enterprise-D - "Generations" - just as they arrive at the Amargosa Observatory, there's a nice pan of the new bridge as the crew arrives in full regalia. The E-B is less of a priority, as there are existing shots on the internet from "The Art of Star Trek" et. al. But an establishing shot should be available...
Did I miss any? In any case, DS9 and VOY ships to come! But those are a relatively small number due to our relative familiarity with those episodes and how those ships tended to be better-presented. There are fewer overall too, I believe.
Mark
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
I have caps of the Nebula-class Prometheus when the time comes.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
We also need caps of DS9's Saratoga, the Lakota, and well that's all that's left for DS9. We've already got the Odyssey, Defiant, Sao Paulo/Defiant, and Valiant.
Posted by Ultra Klackrent Zlatan Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Be patient, he's not there yet.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Topher: I have caps of the Nebula-class Prometheus when the time comes.
Worst bridge evar.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yep. I'd prefer to concentrate on the TNG ships, but it's good to be complete.
PART II - DS9 and VOY ships
DS9
USS Saratoga - "Emissary" - lots of fun stuff in the teaser, though remarkably few longer shots for some reason. Also towards the end, there's an extended sequence while Ben is stuck in the wormhole that he flashes back to the Saratoga bridge for a moment.
Federation Transport - "The Passenger" - not Starfleet per se, but it's a Federation ship that uses bits of bridge from the latter TOS movies in combination with the usual CO/conn/ops stations. I believe it's visible mostly in the latter acts of the episode.
USS Prometheus - "Second Sight" - Mostly in the fourth and fifth acts, I think.
USS Odyssey - "The Jem'Hadar" - we SHOULD have lots of it around here somewhere...
USS Lakota - "Pardise Lost" - there's only two noticable shots in the fifth act of the episode, but I don't think we have good shots of 'em.
USS Defiant / Sau Paulo - "The Dogs of War" et. al. - there are no really nice shots of the new bridge, whose real differences are summed up in the carpet, different consoles for the CO chair, and a generic console behind it.
USS Ross's ship - "What You Leave Behind" - he makes a report or two to Ben shortly before the Cardassians switch sides, in the first half of the show. About the same importance as Hanson's ship in BoBW.
VOY
USS Excelsior - "Flashback" - it's NOT THE SAME AS THE ST6 SET. Carpets all over, the part behind the CO chair is different too, and I want to document it if possible.
USS Prometheus - "Message in a Bottle" - it's pretty well documented, but not by DVD as yet, so it's here.
(U)SS Raven - "Dark Frontier" - Again not strictly a Starfleet ship, but the resemblance and liklihood of it being a Starfleet-use design elsewhere are undeniable. The flashbacks are split about even between both parts of the episode, with the better shots from the first part.
USS Equinox - "Equinox" - we have few caps of the bridge when it's properly lit; it's almost always dark. Best shots will be from Part I, obviously.
[ June 28, 2004, 09:47 PM: Message edited by: Mark Nguyen ]
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
PART III - Movies and ENT
USS Reliant - ST2 - again, fairly well documented, but not from DVD caps.
USS Grissom - ST3 - could use a cap from when we are introduced to the ship early in the film. There is one wider shot right away, I believe.
USS Excelsior - ST3 - we have some DVD caps from around here recently, no?
USS Saratoga - ST4 - in the dark to disguise its resemblance to the regular movie set, but notable for its configuration.
USS Yorktown - ST4 - seen only in the very dark, but we're being copmlete here.
USS Enterprise-A - ST4 - the old "Mr. Scott's Guide" has only black and white images. Some nice color pics of the bridge in its pristine whiteness would be great.
USS Enterprise-A - ST5 - the ST6 edition has far more pictures than this less-featured one.
ENT
USS Intrepid - "The Expanse" - the ONLY SHOT EVAR of the interior of another Starfleet ship so far in that series. Might as well be complete, and I think we already have one somewhere too.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I've got a fair amount of webspace going free, and I think I can offer some of it if only to spare everyone those bloody Geocities pop-ups. I'll have to check my bandwidth usage though. . . Interested?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I most certainly am interested, Lee - but this is a group effort as much as any other, since I have no capping capabilities. But I certainly volunteer to organize it and write up the requisite HTML. It'll be a nice summer project, I'm sure.
Mark
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
I'm willing to do anything I can. I don't have DVDs, but I do have all of TNG on VHS and some spare webspace
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Well, the offer's there. I think I'm OK on the bandwidth front, I've used 6.2 Gigs of my 10-Gig-per-calendar-month limit and that's with Phasers.net, the MACO page and our online photo gallery.
Posted by Captain Serek (Member # 1038) on :
I also have a decent sized jpeg of the USS Excalibur bridge from "Double Time". It is a pencil drawing done in the style of the Fact Files/Magazine but it is a nice configuration to add to your complete list. If you need it, I can email it to you. Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
So you going to be trying to obtain new images of these scenes wherever possible? It'd be really nice if they were as uniform as possible, you know, same dimensions, 800x600 or whatever. And by getting new images, it does mean that (for example) decent DVD caps of ships like the Equinox and Prometheus will have to wait a few months, but at the end of it you'll have a very cool-looking site.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I've got capping capabilities (most of the time), I also have Seasons 1-3 (TNG), 1-3&6 (DS9) and 1&2 (Voy) as well as movies 1-6 + nemesis. I'll take caps if "assigned" to do so, but I really dont want to double someone elses efforts.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I can make screencaps. I have TNG and DS9 on DVD, as well as the movies minus Generations. I also have a good chunk of ENT, although only season 3 is of any quality worth capping from.
It'd be a good idea to coordinate this somewhat, to avoid ten people making the same image.
I'll be gone for three weeks though this Saturday Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Did we get a glimpse of the Rhode Island's bridge in "Endgame"? I can't remember.
Posted by Captain Serek (Member # 1038) on :
Yes, we did see Harry on the bridge of the Rhode Island. Also, for completeness, I suggest caps of the USS Righteous bridge from Star Trek - Borg. It gives another example of an Excelsior class bridge, in fact, it looks like the "Flashback" bridge with an LCARS screens and MSD, no tea stand and a unique conn/ops station. It is still a bridge variant though. Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yes we do, and it should be in there. Since I can't edit the original post..
USS Relativity - "Relativity" - plenty of good shots to be had scattered through the episode.
USS Rhode Island - "Endgame" - visible for only a shot or two at the end of Part I, where Captain Kim saves Admiral Kate's butt from the Klingons.
Thank you Harry and FG for volunteering capping abilities. Let's do this in stages - we'll do TNG first (the largest phase), then DS9 and the movies, and VOY incrementally as the DVDs come out and people collect them. I think we should aim for DVD caps of good quality but small file size and uniform resolution; taking a cue from Lee's phaser and MACO sites, I'll take the raw images and make all the thumbnails of uniform size with this handy app I downloaded a while back for my improv site.
FG, how about starting on the TNG list from the beginning, while Harry can work backwards from the finale? We'll meet in a comfy middle ground there. But beofre we get going, what's a decent file and image size we can agree on? 800x600, with a top file size of 50-60kb? Lee, you've offered to host the site, and I'd like to take you up on that - what do you think?
Mark
PS - I have the "Double Time" graphic, too. We should probably have a miscellaneous section for comic book pics like that (like the Marco Polo from "Thin Ice", and the Excelsior from the crappy 80s comics), and possibly for non-fleet "fake" ships like the Dauntless.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
We might also want to have the TOS and TAS bridges when possible. TOS is already on DVD in those two eppies per disc, but you might want to wait until we get the season sets. TAS will also have to wait until next year for the entire series. Of course, with both TOS and TAS you don't get much in the way of bridges since they're just redresses of the Enterprise bridge.
Oh, you might want to include the alternate NX-01 from E^2 for Enterprise.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
I just thought about this, I do have Star Trek II, III and Nemesis on DVD and by the time we get to movies, I might be able to pick up more of them, or rent them. I'd look into renting Series DVDs, but my Blockbusters seems to stock everything BUT Star Trek
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Just another thought. Add to the list the Shepard from ST4 (yeah, I know it was from a viewsscreen from a distance and there's not much to see behind Jane Weidlin's head, plus it can easily be missed if you're not looking it the right place at the right time) and the holographic future E-D bridge from "Future Imprerfect"
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I believe the "Future Imperfect" bridge was identical to the regular E-D bridge save for the greeblies on the side access panels and different doors. Worth geting to be completist, I suppose.
I wanted to keep TOS "in reserve" for later, as the only real ones to keep track of would be the differences between the two pilots. I anything, caps from "The Cage" would be preferable over the regular series set, since the latter is far better documented. I'm not terribly familiar with TAS... How many different Federation starships did we even meet that were bigger than shuttle or runabout size?
Cap'n Boh, if you've got the first three movies, it'd be great if you could give us a hand with Reliant, Grissom, and Excelsior and give us a jump on that section... Don't worry about renting DVDs though - I think we'll have almost all the source material we'd need long before we'd have to resort to that.
As for the Shepard from ST4, I guess it qualifies too.
Mark
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
OK, I'll set something up. What do you want to call it? The name will be in the format subdomain.phasers.net, unless someone wants to pop for a domain name, starfleetbridges.com or something. . .
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Well, I'll look into buying them. The movies are much cheaper than a season on DVD after all. (and I have TNG on VHS anyway, and for watching thats good enough for me.. old advertisements are funny anyway)
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
bridgesnot.phasers.net .
Seriously, it takes me forever to figure a good name. trekbridges.phasers.net would be a good generic one, especially if we end up doing like someone messaged me to think about, and that is to chronicle all the "Big" race bridges as well, like all the Klingon and Romulan bridges.
Hey, how about The Authoritative Bridge Arrangement Screencap COllection, or "TABASCO"?
And Boh, if you want to buy 'em, I won't stop you. Just post here what you'e got, and I'll mark you down as contributing from those sources. Thanks for all these posts, guys! This is shaping up pretty quickly...
Mark
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I have TAS on DivX, and can make (quite crappy) caps of them. The only TAS bridges I can think of are:
- Enterprise NCC-1701 - Updated bridge with new consoles, bridge defense system ("Beyond the Farthest Star") and an extra door.
- USS Huron, from "The Pirates of Orion", quite an unusual bridge, with only a handful of consoles, and a crew of around three.
- A few alien bridges: Klingon D7, Orion pirate vessel. I don't remember but there also might have been bridges on the Traitor's Claw, Karla 5's vessel and the pod ship.
It might indeed me better to wait for the 2005 TAS DVDs.
I'll take on TNG from BoBW II onwards. That's seasons 4,5,6 and 7.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Good stuff, Harry - if you're good for TNG S4-7, and FG takes S1-3, we'll be covered and have our start. Boh chipping in for some of the movies certainly lightens our load for later on.
Yeah, probably better to wait for the TAS DVD set...
Mark
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Tempt me not! I will name it tabasco.phasers.net. It'd be a nice way to draw out from hiding the remaining Roswell fans that haven't yet been hunted down like dogs.
My wife's cousin runs a camping business in Italy, I've just bought him a domain name and will slip him a bit of space to host it, so I'll be fiddling around with my account control panel later on. Maybe we should have a poll or something, but I think trekbridges would be a nice generic name unless anyone really, really objects.
Oh - and someone remind me to modify my bandwidth blocker (courtesy of MinutiaeMan) so we can actually see the images when they're up. 8)
Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
*reads thread and sheds tear when faced with prospect of such lovely future caps*
Posted by Captain Serek (Member # 1038) on :
Silly question, are you going to include the USS Righteous under miscellainious since it was only a video game but it was a decent bridge. Just curious.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
It's a game, so I'd be more inclined to put it in the Misc. section even though it's live-action video. That is, if I can ever find the damn pictures again. I saw 'em once online somewhere, but never again since... Anyone have the game and is willing to make a cap somehow? Is it more difficult than capping DVD?
Mark
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I have ST:Borg too, but my XP has a hard time digesting it so its not as clear as a DVD. I also think I have the Shepard from ST4 saved in my flare folder from days of yore....
Somewhere I even made some competent caps from the USS Odyssey's bridge...
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
You made me do this:
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I smell a hot lawsuit.
I got the Tsiokovsky. I'm not sure why it is included, its just a hole in the wall. Where shall I deposit the caps?
By the way, they are at 720x480...if I try to upsize it to the 800x600 they actually come closer to 800x533.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Mine are 720*576. I'll lat you handle the resizing, Mark Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
That works too.
Just got the Stargazer capped up.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
[stares at logo for a long, long time]
Lee, I think we should go with tabasco.phasers.net... Harry's image is just too cool.
The image sizes are okay at 720 tall - I'll see about re-sizing them properly. Please send them to mark daht nguyen aht shaw daht ca (take THAT, logical filters!).
Thanks, guys!
Mark
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
isn't DVD resolution 720*480?
Posted by Captain Serek (Member # 1038) on :
I am probably getting ahead of myself and you guys but I have some more questions regarding this wonderful site. Are you going to include layouts of the bridges as well ala Gilso to see the arrangement or even go to a cutaway style ala Star Trek Fact Files/Magazine. If this is a future consideration, it would be cool since neither publication has not done anything new since the Scimitar bridge for the Japanese edition. Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
That's actually a good idea, but I'd refrain from having anyone creating those from scratch if it was never done by the magazines.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I was thinking that each entry would feature links to sites that host such pictures elsewhere, such as Bernd's site, so we can share the love. A link offsite to a good place with pictures of the actual ship would be worthwhile too.
But as an extension of that, I was considering including a quick & dirty overhead sketch of each set (where a complete set can be pieced together) where such pictures are available (or I'll whip something up myself). Lots of the bridges, especially the TNG ones are partial sets that have little more than a wall or two.
Besides that, I'm going to put the quick facts of each bridge for each entry, consisting of ship name, NCC, episode, in-context year, and a quick description of the set's origin and use. Here's a couple samples...
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USS Lantree NCC-1837 Miranda class c. 2365
The Lantree was a "class six supply ship" whose crew was killed by an genetically engineered virus. The bridge was a partial set whose rear wall is actually the forward viewer from the Enterprise battle bridge set, with displays inserted.
Episode: TNG "Unnatural Selection" Set Group: A Captain's Chair: B
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USS Enterprise NCC-1701-C Ambassador Class c. 2344
The fourth Federation starship named Enterprise was destroyed by the Romulans at Narendra III. The bridge was a spartan set with mostly movie-era displays, and featured an unusual free-standing console in front of the viewer.
Epsiode: TNG "Yesterday's Enterprise" Set Group: B Captain's Chair: D
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Regarding the last two lines, I was thinking of adding some analysis by by cross-referencing where else the set that made the bridge has been seen as a bridge, and where the captain's chair has also been seen. The letters are arbitrary at this point, but for example Set Group A would also include the Stargazer and the original battle bridge, and Captain's Chair B would include whatever other bridges the chair has been used on.
Mark
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
If we're going with Tabasco (which is a cool name, IMHO), here's a proper site logo that does not so blatantly copy Tabasco's logo. Although in all fairness, it still does resemble their site's style. But we're quite obviously not dealing in pepper condiments, and it's perfectly legal to use the name of a Mexican state.
Awesome. But I still prefer the... "Homage"... Logo, as it's relatively identifyable. Is Tabasco known for going after people who make parodies of their logo for base amusement? It's not like this site will SELL anything...
The Green logo would do well as a link banner, though!
Mark
PS - It's "authoritative". Mind you, I didn't catch it the first time around. Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Tabasco it is! 8)
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Do you guys mind if I play around with some HTML?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Dude, by all means! You've got a good motif going here, so go ahead and run with it. I've only been tinkering around with additional entry text during work breaks:
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USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D (First Battle Bridge) Galaxy Class c. 2363-4
The battle bridge of a Galaxy-class starship was used principally to control the stardrive section while the saucer section was safe with the civilian population. The set was constructed principally from the original TOS movie set from 1979 in part to show how advanced the TNG era was in comparison.
Episode: TNG "Encounter at Farpoint" and TNG "Arsenal of Freedom" Set Group: A Captain's Chair: A
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USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D (Second Battle Bridge) Galaxy Class c. 2366
By the time the Enterprise-D met the first Borg incursion, the battle bridge had been upgraded to this arrangement. Now incorporating the newer aft wall, this set also featured one fewer aft station than the previous incarnation, though the remaining two were more elaborate.
Episode: TNG "Best of Both Worlds, Part II" Set Group: B Captain's Chair: C
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USS Tsiolkovsky NCC-53911 Oberth Class c. 2364
The Tsiolkovsky was a science vessel whose crew was killed by a variant of the Psi 2000 virus. Only a glimpse of this bridge was seen, where it was determined to be a variant of the TOS movie set incorporating a large hatch that could be opened to space.
Episode: TNG "The Naked Now" Set Group: A Captain's Chair: D
***
Mark
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
OK, directory added. http://tabasco.phasers.net/ it is. Mark, I think I've got it set so you'll have FTP access to that subdomain's directory only, I'll check that (for my own peace of mind) and PM you the login later.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: The Tsiolkovsky was a science vessel whose crew was killed by a variant of the Psi 2000 virus. Only a glimpse of this bridge was seen, where it was determined to be a variant of the TOS movie set incorporating a large hatch that could be opened to space. Mark
Whi in their right mind would've placed a hatch there is beyond comprehension. It's not as if the Oberth can land or anything.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Well, the TOS movie Enterprise had an airlock and docking port just OFF the bridge... It could follow that a smaller but similar bridge might want to have that, and have the room to do it.
I *think* the hatch was of the TOS movie docking collar variety (with the zigzag pattern). Perhaps someone thought it would be a great idea if the bridge had a docking port that opened directly onto the bridge.
But if we were to theorize a bit, it's not uncommon for Starfleet folks to perform experiments directly on their bridge instead of a lab. Lots of experiments could have to do with exposing samples to space...
Edit: I've found a screencap of the Tsiolkovsky's bridge from trekpulse.com. Aside from the TOS movie chairs and possibly some railings, the set is not a re-dress of anything - a generic wall with a hatch in it is all we see.
Mark
PS - Great stuff, Lee... I await the l/p info. I guess Harry may eventually require access himself, but that'll be for later on.
[ June 30, 2004, 05:52 PM: Message edited by: Mark Nguyen ]
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Oh, it'll just be one login, you can share it.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Can do. Three more!
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USS Stargazer NCC-2893 Constellation Class c. 2355
The Stargazer was principally a deep-space explorer, and was lost in an early encounter with the Ferengi. The set incorporated the TOS movie forward consoles and chairs to evoke the old era, despite having far fewer consoles overall.
Episode: TNG "The Battle" Set Group: A Captain's Chair: D
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USS Yamato NCC-71807 Galaxy Class c. 2365
Directly preceeding the Enterprise-D out of the shipyards, the Yamato had an identical bridge layout. Only briefly seen, the Enterprise-D set was used with minor color variation and some additional greeblies.
Episode: TNG "Contagion" Set Group: none Captain's Chair: E
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USS Hathaway NCC-2593 Constellation Class c. 2365
This eighty year-old "star cruiser" was decommissioned and used in war games with the Enterprise-D. This bridge was one of the first uses of this "swing" set on TNG, and was one of the more asymmetrical arrangements seen in Star Trek.
Episode: TNG "Peak Performance" Set Group: B Captain's Chair: A
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Mark
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Here's a thought - how about maybe incorporating layout diagrams where we have them, like the various artists' impressions from the Magazine/Fact Files. . . even in a small version, say in the corner of the page?
*looks at ther ones on EAS*
Small is good. Otherwise my bandwidth'd go through the roof. . !
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Does the fake Yamato in Where Silence Has Lease have the normal Enterprise-D bridge?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Well, the TOS movie Enterprise had an airlock and docking port just OFF the bridge... It could follow that a smaller but similar bridge might want to have that, and have the room to do it.
It's not even an airlock! It's just a door! Nothing like making your bridge into a big suicide booth. Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Captain Boh: Does the fake Yamato in Where Silence Has Lease have the normal Enterprise-D bridge?
Yes- it was exactly the same as the "D" bridge. It's probable that Worf and Riker had never seen the yamato before so missed the inaccuracies. The Yamato has a black console looking thinh directly behind the captain's chair (as the center post on the tactical rail).
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
I think they were already rather confused by the location of the bridge to notice small details anyway
Well, I just found out I also have Star Trek IV on DVD! I need to pay more attention I guess.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Hey, I never got a well defined answer where to send the caps I've gotten for TNG season 1 so far.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Hey, I never got a well defined answer where to send the caps I've gotten for TNG season 1 so far.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Please send them to mark daht nguyen aht shaw daht ca (take THAT, logical filters!)
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: The Yamato has a black console looking thinh directly behind the captain's chair (as the center post on the tactical rail).
Actually, I think what you saw was a flap of the LCARS panelling from the tactical display hanging down behind the captain. Cause their ship was all broke-ass and stuff. So they were ripping it apart to try and find the problem.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune:
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: The Yamato has a black console looking thinh directly behind the captain's chair (as the center post on the tactical rail).
Actually, I think what you saw was a flap of the LCARS panelling from the tactical display hanging down behind the captain. Cause their ship was all broke-ass and stuff. So they were ripping it apart to try and find the problem.
I think you are right. YOu can also see them move a panel to the side below the console (above Varleys right shoulder) in the background behind him as he is chatting with Picard.
On that note...I capped the Lantree and the Yamato, leaving the Hathaway for season 2.
I also noticed in "Natural Selection" Picard talking with Capt Taggert on screen, but I suspect that that is Taggerts ready room so I obviously didnt cap that, but I had to check anyway.
Also, in "Tin Man", was Captain DeSoto on the bridge of the Hood or was he calling from the Ready Room? I would suspect that was the Ready Room too, but I thought I would bring it up.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Here's what I came up with after a bunch of failed designs. It's a pretty basic page, which makes editing easier.
I've been working on this a bit too long to have an objective opinion. What do you think?
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
I could also provide screenshots. Just tell me what you want.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I just got the Hathaway.
Also snipped together a panoramic picture of the Stargazers bridge. See it Here .
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Wow! Deuce Vigos! I was hoping we could do similar stitching with other bridges once the raws start coming in.
Harry, you're certainly in the right direction with this design. However, I think it's a little over-complicated - the tables for the screenshots, for example, won't ALL need the episode and date information as almost all bridges will be from a single episode. However, I do like the idea of captioning at least some of the caps. Perhaps two sets of two columns, each set having a screencap thumbnail and space for a caption? We can include episode information in the caption space if necessary. What I'd like to do is keep the in-context information for each entry separate from the production or behind-the-scenes info.
As for the suggestions of a diagram or something, I think we could try. Going with Harry's idea of putting the critical information in a black space, how about this: let's get permission to use this picture from EAS (gif, ~200k), and pilfer the overhead views from it. We inverse the colours, and put it in the black bar to fill it out. I've whipped a sample up here. I'd prefer the first option rather than using the FF diagram, because it would be easier for us to make up the ones we don't have (Hathaway, Jenol!n, etc.). The FF one does look better, though... Thoughts?
And Spike, you're in. If you've got the DS9 disks, how about starting with that?
Here's what I came up with after a bunch of failed designs. It's a pretty basic page, which makes editing easier.
I've been working on this a bit too long to have an objective opinion. What do you think?
When the window width is below 1024 the logo overlaps the navigation
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:Also, in "Tin Man", was Captain DeSoto on the bridge of the Hood or was he calling from the Ready Room? I would suspect that was the Ready Room too, but I thought I would bring it up.
According to the script, DeSoto is in his Ready Room.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: And Spike, you're in. If you've got the DS9 disks, how about starting with that?
Since I finished up seasons 1 and 2 of TNG and all I have in season 3 of TNG is the Enteprise-C, I've already gone ahead with season 1 - 3 of DS9, with the Prometheus, Odyssey, Defiant and Saratoga. (I can also get a Runabout...and even the Maqui ships if they are game too.)
I have season 1 and 2 of Voyager as well. So I can get Voyager and Chakotays ship and the Yellowstone (if necessary).
Perhaps a roster of what has been capped might help this along?
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Mark, Harry, PM me your emails and I'll give you the ftp info. Then you can at least start uploading stuff now, although it might be best to wait until everything is ready before unveiling it, that way you get a greater impact. 8)
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Ah well, then I'll do the Norkova. And in the meantime you can assign me a new bridge.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Spike, why don't you hit up the latter seasons of DS9 and/or Generations if you have the DVDs? There's the Sau Paulo, Ross's ship in the finale, and the Lakota. And if Harry's going to be gone for three weeks, maybe he can shunt over some of the latter TNG seasons at his discretion.
Runabout? I guess it qualifies as a starship...Maybe we should, since there are two major incarnations to think of (discounting for now the chair changes, of which there are several).
I've been looking over FG's first batch of pics, which are fantastic. I'm guessing a reasonable top file size is around ~50kb for screencaps? Most of these are ~40 or less. Look how pretty!
Mark
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Mark, what ship is thta? The Lantree?
Looks pretty cool.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Ok, done (Norkova, Enterprise-B and D from Generations, Sao Paulo, Ross's ship, and Lakota.
What next? Maybe Excelsior and Enterprise-A from TUC and the Xhosa?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
What about the Valiant, and the Enterprise (Trials and Tribble-ations)?
Was the Malinche bridge shown at any point or was it just with the holo-communicator ring?
If anyone else wants, the Enterprise-D they can run with that. I have all of the above I have mentioned, but Im having player/PowerDVD problems and can't get TNG season 1 disc 1 to work.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Crimony, this stuff is coming in fast. I thought I'd be in the minority in having today off, Canada Day and all.
Xhosa is to TOS Starfleet as Norkova is to TNG Starfleet, so I guess it qualifies. Sure! Spike, might as well work through movies 4-6 then. I think Boh has 1-3 covered.
And Jason, that is the Lantree. Poor old guys. The Malinche was never shown, but the Valiant is probably due a cursory cap or two - it's exactly the same as Defiant, except some parts are painted red. Sau Paulo is physically different and thus higher up.
Note to all that we're probably going to end up with 10-12 caps per ship, if the set is fully represented. viewscreen sets will probably be 4-6 caps, tops.
I'll make a post in a minute that'll sum up what we've got so far...
Norkova Enterprise-B Enterprise-D ("Generations") Sau Paulo Ross's ship Lakota
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
I have Star Trek IV, I have been capping from it acctually
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Right; sorry, I missed that post the first time round...
Mark
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Do you want what I've got now, or should I wait until later? I still have to go through to the end and get the 1701-A bridge, but I've got the other ships. (I got the BoP bridge since I was doing the movie anyway, so its available aswell if you want)
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Please cap the -A bridge, and then send 'er over. May as well be complete.
Mark
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Will do. Can anyone recomend a good program? The one I'm using now isn't terribly good if I miss something. Its a pain to go backwords with.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I use PowerDVD, it's quite good. . .
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Its amazing what some levels can do:
Should I adjust the images, or do you want them as they appeared on screen?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Adjustments would be awesome - they really show off more than what we normally see. If you can make the images a big bigger without popping the file size limit, that would be great too.
In related news, I got mail back from the guy who assembled the mega-chart of all the bridges on Bernd's site. He's sent me an updated version with some additional stuff, like a nice sketch of a Hathaway overview. Spiff!
Mark
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Righty-o!
I tried some adjustments on the image of the Lantree bridge posted earlier, but the loss of image quality is too great before I can get anything worthwhile out of it. It may be because the image is compressed though. I did my adjustments on uncompressed TIF files
Posted by Captain Serek (Member # 1038) on :
This is going to be the best bridge site ever. I have been following this thread from day one and I am already impressed with the work that is in it. Between the vid caps of all of the various bridges shown in Trek, as well as the suppleimental drawings and overhead views, this is going to be a Star Trek fan's dream. I can see this website growing nicely. While Bernd's site has the cleanest drawings, Spike has the most, this puts it all together. Who knows, if someone gets creative and tries to do what the Fact Files/Magazine did, that would only add to it. I have already bookmarked it and I intend to add it to my links as I update my site. Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
How do you take screenshots with PowerDVD?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Hit the button with a picture of a camera on it.
Unless you've got the crappy version. Then you're screwed.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
The files are ready. Do you want me to zip everything and send it?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Well, it'll be much better than just sitting in your hard drive. Please send 'er over!
Did you receive the email BTW? Sent it from work and it bounced from Harry's address. . .
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yep, got it. Dunno about Harry, though..
Mark
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Are there still some issues with making caps?
I am using PowerDVD 4, and capping on 'Bright' or 'Vivid'. To cap, just press 'C', instead of clicking the camera.
To convert all of the bitmaps to jpeg, I've been using ACDsee, its a trial, and it offers a conversion program to jpeg. Unfortunately, for ell as it converts, it's lousy for compression and has been making most of the files between 60-100 kb.
Strangely enough if you open each file individually in MSPaint (the only sort of editing program I have) and just 'save as' the file over itself it cuts the file size by 50%. So it does make ACDsee redundant to use, but it is an option as well (with exception of the larger file size.)
If anyone is still having issues, I have the Movie-ships capped and in reserve...or hot standby. Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I've capped BoBW2 (Hanson's ship and the battle bridge) and Night Terrors (The Brattain).
I'll try to do the rest of the caps today. I'll be on holiday from tomorrow onwards, though. I'll be back in 2-3 weeks.
BTW, Lee, I didn't get any email from you. Did you send it to something at harryd dot `net?
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Uh, no, the hdoddema one I think.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:I have the Movie-ships capped and in reserve...or hot standby.
So I guess I don't have to do the E-A and Excelsior. Just the Xhosa then. New assignment please.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lee: Uh, no, the hdoddema one I think.
*THUMP* Of all places, I forgot to update my address on my own !&*@!* site! It's fixed now (you can basically use anything at harryd.net or fleetyard.net).
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spike:
quote:I have the Movie-ships capped and in reserve...or hot standby.
So I guess I don't have to do the E-A and Excelsior. Just the Xhosa then. New assignment please.
No, Spike, go ahead and do the E-A and Excelsior. I haven't been able to get those. I am having a horrible time with my DVD player working and I think it may have to be retired after/if I can get caps of Voyagers bridge.
As far as I know, the E-D from "Encounter at Farpoint" and the battle bridge is still open too.
I'm curious, is this going to be exclusively Federation bridges or will there be Klingon and Romulan bridges at some point?
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Email sent.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Norkova Enterprise-B Enterprise-D ("Generations") Sau Paulo Ross's ship Lakota
PLUS
quote: BOBW (Hanson's ship and the battle bridge) Night Terrors (The Brattain).
PLUS
Prometheus (DS9) Enterprise-D ("Yesterdays Enterprise") Excelsior (NX-2000 version from "ST3") Grissom
PLUS I have ready to mail as soon as I have confirmation on the last few sets from Mark: USS Enterprise-C USS Voyager ChakotaysShip Maqui ships from "The Maquis".
SO
That leaves (to my knowledge):
USS Aeon
USS Bozeman
USS Enterprise ("Relics" or "Trials and Tribble..")
USS Enterprise (TMP)
USS Enterprise-A
"All Good Things" Enterprise-D
"Encounter at Farpoint" Battle Bridge
"Encounter at Farpoint" Enterprise-D
"Future Imperfect" Enterprise-D (?)
"Parallels" Enterprise-D (?)
USS Enterprise-E
USS Equinox
USS Excalibur
USS Excelsior (TUC)
USS Excelsior (VGR)
USS Jenol*n
Maqui ship in "Preemptive Strike" (?)
USS Pasteur
USS Prometheus (VGR)
(U)SS Raven
USS Relativity
USS Reliant
USS Rhode Island
Runabout
USS Sutherland
Not counting TOS and Enterprise...did I miss anything?
EDIT: Forgot to mention the Saratoga (ST4) - CaptainBoh has that right?
Also, forgot to mention, if not seen earlier, that Shepard and Yorktown from ST4, which pics are posted for on either page 2 or 3 of this thread.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Of which I have just done:
* USS Bozeman * USS Enterprise ("Relics") * "All Good Things" Enterprise-D * "Parallels" Enterprise-D's * USS Excalibur (although I believe it might actually be Engineering, instead of the bridge) * USS Jenol*n * USS Pasteur * USS Sutherland
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I should write up a downloadable text file and just update that, to keep things consistent.
Landslide in the inbox - thanks to Alan, Boh, and Harry! This morning, confirmed reciept of the following:
***
Saratoga (ST4) Ent-A (ST4) Shepard Yorktown
Prometheus (DS9, both parts) Grissom (ST3-FG, both parts) Excelsior (ST3-FG, both parts) E-D (Y's Ent, both parts) E-C (Y's Ent, all 3 parts) updated
Interesting discovery already - the alternate E-D from "Yesterday's Enterprise" actually did modify the aft consoles beyond changing the LCARS - they removed the seats and the lower sections of the displays!
Additionally, the holoship from "Insurrection" should be included - it was on last night, and there is a shot of the cockpit / bridge with some consoles visible. Should be more visible in the widescreen version...
Mark
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
To whom shall I send my screenshots?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
C'est moi. mark daht nguyen aht shaw daht ca. Thanks!
Mark
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
...and on that note I have capped like no mad man has ever capped before and now I'm spent.
Mark, I just finished mailing the Enterprise-C, Voyager, Chakotays Ship/the Maquis fighter and am currently sending the re-caps you wanted from the Hathaway and Stargazer.
Other than Nemesis, I have nothing else to offer at this time.
Enjoy!
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Enjoying.
EDIT: Apparently, if you hit the "empty trash" button on my mailbox, I am no longer using 92% of my mail quota. Please send away!
Argh! I can't open RAR files here! No bridge analysis for me - now I'll have to do actual work.
Mark
Posted by Captain Serek (Member # 1038) on :
You could always have the bridge descriptions resent in a format you can read. Just a thought. Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
No, I just can't open them while I'm at work - gotta wit till I get home.
I'm getting some new graphics from the people who put together that EAS collage. Check this out:
Mark
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
I would assume this is the Hathaway? If so, I don't recall the station labeled as #3 ever seen on screen. Was it actually there?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yes it was, seen for a fraction of a second and never again. Here:
We should have a better picture shortly thanks to FG. The overhead graphic is somewhat inaccurate in that the console is flipped and not quite facing the viewer (in that picture, you can barely make out an emergency support strut behind it). I believe that there should be a symmetrical console on the other side of the bridge... Who knows how old the actual design of the Hathaway bridge is, but it's possible that this was an early attempt at the arrangements eventually seen on the Intrepid and Nova classes...
Mark
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Yeah I noticed that it was there as soon as I replied. I would also surmise there was a symmetrical console on the other side. I think the console Worf sits at is the XO's station as there is a Tactical station right behind Riker and Worf. The consoles in front of them would be Ops and Conn (where we only saw one of them)
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
So someone got to Star Trek III before me then? Ok, on to II next time I'm capping then.
Oh, and if anyone who can't do the levels adjustments of dark bridges wants to send uncompressed files to me, I can adjust them if you want.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I suppose I might as well contribute in some way. Is anyone planning to do the E-E circa Nemesis? Because I'll do that one. . . (it's the only one I have on DVD)
Posted by Capped in Mike (Member # 709) on :
the lexington had the tall 'mirror, mirror' command chair
Posted by Ultra Klackrent Zlatan Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Does the game Deep Space Nine - The Fallen have any bridges in it? I'm trying to play through that right now, I just got my tookus handed to me by these robot guys with laser eyeballs.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I don't think anyone has claimed the Nemesis-E, Lee. As it's fairly well documented, we'd only need a few choice shots. In fact, we may just end up doing two or three shots each from each of the movies, detailing the different paint jobs, presence or abscene of side stations, forward viewer, etc.
Mike, do you have the DVDs of TOS, or is this someone else's cap?
Mark
Posted by Capped in Mike (Member # 709) on :
made off of an AVI rip
here's another: the defiant in "the search" had an extra step up to the command area.
Posted by Capped in Mike (Member # 709) on :
oh, by the way, i have an eclectic recordings collection, so I can chip in a few, but I wouldn't mind seeing a comic/novel/rpg section of this project.
perhaps i could post a mirror, as soon as i get some fun scans of the non-canon stuff.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ultra Klackrent Zlatan Magnus: Does the game Deep Space Nine - The Fallen have any bridges in it? I'm trying to play through that right now, I just got my tookus handed to me by these robot guys with laser eyeballs.
I think only the Defiant's bridge is ever shown. I also goy my ass handed to be by the robot guys on the Defiant. Worf goes after mechanical creatures....with a Bat'Leth!?! RETARD.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Hey, this mosaicking thing loooks kinda neat - maybe we can make them where we can and add them to the site...
OK, what I have done is the E-E bridge as it appears in the deleted scene with Commander Madden. Problem is the quality of the clip sucks, it's obviously not done to DVD quality being a deleted scene. Bit of a shame really given it even had VFX completed, with all screens on the go and the external view as well.
As you say, it's well documented already, but will there be mention of the different viewscreens? The "holographic" one from FC replaced by a standard one by the time of Insurrection?
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Here's TMP, with Enterprise (including panoramic view) and, just in case, the Epsilon IX station and the Klingon ship.
Watch "Yesterday's Enterprise" again and take a close look at that odd forward console. It's a redress of the Ent-A's helm/nav console from ST5/6!!
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
hmmm...how convenient.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Mark, since you fond my Hathaway bridge blueprint useful, perhaps I could post another version with corrected errors?
Also, I have new Frontier Excalibur bridge blueprint, if you're interested.
I think I can also make Brittain bridge, provided that I have some screencaps - I think it was based on transporter room.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Sorry Jan, I wasn't aware that was your work - yes, please send it over, along with anything you feel would be useful. I don't think the Br!ttain was based on the transporter room - it was a newbuild set, to be sure. E-mail me, and I can send the screenshots that Alan made.
I've decided that the overhead views would be best suited to the web layout. I spent some time assembling a few more overhead shots (using Jan's Hathaway, among things), which can be found here. Thoughts? Any additional overhead views would be great - and for as many of the ones we don't have, we'll probably end up asking for people to contribute sketches in the art forum here and elsewhere, as necesary.
I'm not as good with HTML as Harry (or anyone else here, really), so let's continue amassing the raw data for the time being. If anyone wants to help make 125 pixel high overhead views of bridges per the samples I've made, it'd be appreciated too!
Mark
Edit: This morning, confirmed receipt of the following:
Norkova Sau Paulo E-E ("Nemesis")
More Edit: Mike, if you have good scans of comic, game or RPG bridges, we could put them all in a separate section from all eras (as it stands, I think we're going with the alphabetical-by-series way of things). I've got a few comics, but many of them (especially from the 1980s DC series) were notoriously inconsistent (read: the artist really didn't care what the bridge looked like and simply drew in random walls, panels and levers) and most of those aren't worth scanning in. Non-hero bridges from games would be great - can anyone get screencaps of that Excelsior-class bridge from Elite Force II, for example?
[ July 03, 2004, 09:58 AM: Message edited by: Mark Nguyen ]
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Minor nitpick: In "Peak Performance", the XO seat is actually about 2 feet further back than the captain's chair. In the overhead plan, they're side-by-side.
Also, the directory now has some Encounter at Farpoint battle bridge shots, a rare crane shot from "Skin of Evil", and what I could find in my image library from "Parallels". You'll note that the floor piece used on the Hathaway is re-used on the parallel-Enterprise, and that it is, as I suspected, not square in the front.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Fixed, at least in my overhead view. Jan may be coming up with a much better one.
Mark
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Confirmed receipt of E-D Generations bridge and Lakota. Also noticed that the arrangement of the Grissom and ST4 Saratoga bridges are exactly the same, save for a paint job and darker lighting.
Doing some writeups for the site now... Anyone recall the thread where we determined what the stations were labelled on the "Generations" Enterprise-D bridge? From what I could tell, Spike's E-D caps show the aft stations now listed (starboard to port) Science (IV?), Mission Ops, Environment, Engineering I, and Engineering II. The portside stations seem to all be Communications (I, II, III), which therefore suggest that all the starboardside stations are Science (I, II, III). Can anyone confirm this odd arrangement?
Mark
Posted by Russell Christiansen (Member # 1333) on :
I noticed in the text commentary on the SCE ST4 DVD that the Saratoga bridge they said was a slight redress of the Grissom bridge (which is of course in turn a redress of the Enterprise bridge).
We don't get many shots of what the ST4 Ent-A bridge looks like, which I've wanted to see. I read this earlier in an interview with Shane Johnson when he did "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise," he commented that only part of the set was reconfigured for the Ent-A bridge, the rest was still the STII-III bridge, with the battle damage still present.
Anyway, here's a load of images from other bridges that you might find useful:
It has reference pics for a LOT of them!
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Been a while since I've seen Sean's repository - there's a schwack of USS Righteous pics in there, as well as some good ST6 Excelsior and Enterprise-A. Might have to send some permission e-mails...
Mark
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
The only major differencec between the 3 and 4 bridges is the paint-job and the consoles, isn't it?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yep. Ditto for ST2 and 3, of course.
Mark
Posted by Captain Serek (Member # 1038) on :
I am very impressed with the talented individuals that are contributing to this uber-project. Between all of the scans, dvd and vhs captures, overhead diagrams, Fact Files/Magaize scans (and some others that might be made in the future at some udates), This is going to be a hella nice webpage/site. With all of the various members contribting thier amazing talents to something that should have been done a long time ago, it is not only beneficial to all of the Trek bridge geeks who like the various arrangements seeing how they differ from ship to ship, but just as a whole. Add to that, this thread is not that old, and look at all of the contributers already. Need I say more. OK, gushing done.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
^^ Somebody needs a cold shower!
Anyway, hey Mark, as far as the "there's a schwack of USS Righteous pics in there, as well as some good ST6 Excelsior and Enterprise-A. Might have to send some permission e-mails..." thing goes, I can cover both of those (or did Spike get 6?) for the sake of permissions convenience.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
So those are yours? Or do you speak of getting better ones? Sean's are a little grainy and liney, but if that's what XP does to it (as you've mentioned before), then I'll take it.
As for the rest, I'm pleased to report that we've got nearly everything now. it'll slow down for a couple weeks while Harry and his web skills are on vacation, and I'm prepping for a convention that I help organize. Updates will, as always, be posted here as they happen. Jan's working on an overhead view of the Br!ttain bridge, so I'm looking forward to that!
Mark
PS - As of this morning, acknowledged receipt of E-B and ST6 Excelsior screenshots.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Actually I was just saying that to keep it as 'Members of Flare Original' (MOFO) as possible I could make the caps instead of asking an outsider for permissions and keep it in the family, so to say.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Ah, okay - I gotcha. I certainly have no problem with keeping it a Flare Original. However, we should still expect to have the best source material possible. What we've got is nothing short of fantastic, but we shouldn't be so arrogant to assume that we're the be-all and end-all.
I think we just upped the ante for ourselves.
Mark
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
WE BE BAD MOFOS!
Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
You all are free to use my refs if you wish. Just be sure to credit Joe Ralat and Richard Compton as well as myself. Anywhere my name appears should be linked to http://www.webolutionary.com. Joe used to have a site but I have no idea what happened to it, and I haven't seen him around in a VERY long time. I don't believe Richard Compton ever did have one.
Posted by Captain Serek (Member # 1038) on :
Between a few vacations and the making of new overhead views I guess this place will be quiet for a bit. Then there is the compilation of all of those screen caps and overheads and cutaways to make it coherent. It looks like a big job. If any help is needed, let me know, I would love to help in some small way.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
A question about the site itself: Would each ship have its own page, with the main listing just showing a single thumbnail/overhead?
Posted by Capped in Mike (Member # 709) on :
i should think only a few bridges were seen enough to warrant a page-load of data. (NCC-1701, 1701-refit, 1701-A, 1701-D, NX-01, Voyager, Defiant, SaoPaulo-Defiant, and Excelsior)
I doubt many other bridges besides those mentioned were even seen more than once (mostly as a redress of one of those mentioned)
however, i think one of the most interesting details will be pinning down which bridges are rearrangements of each one.. there have been several extra bridge sets that have been reused over and over, evolving and being revised constantly.. the Flashback-Excelsior becoming Equinox and NX-Prometheus and stuff like that
Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
Capped - that last point is something I've spent a fair amount of time on, having modeled virtually every single variant of the TFF and TUC bridge sets. Even the First Contact bridge uses parts from the TUC set (computer consoles, turbolift alcoves, etc.). The Flashback/Prometheus/Equinox set uses none of the original parts and suffers greatly for it. The Defiant was reused a number of times, appearing as various alien bridges in Voyager. There was a console which originally appeared in DS9 (possibly even late TNG, but I'm not sure about that) that has appeared multiple times in every series since.
I sure am glad Paramount did that, because it makes my job of building those sets far easier. Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Actually the turbolift alcoves come directly off the TMP set. That's the only original movie set piece that survived up the Nemesis, discounting any of the doors.
Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
Right. Massive parts of the TUC sets are reused from the original TMP sets. I didn't bother going back that far because I assumed that to be common knowledge, and it would have forced some seriously clumsy wording on that sentence.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
quote:Originally posted by Capped in Mike: i should think only a few bridges were seen enough to warrant a page-load of data. (NCC-1701, 1701-refit, 1701-A, 1701-D, NX-01, Voyager, Defiant, SaoPaulo-Defiant, and Excelsior)
I doubt many other bridges besides those mentioned were even seen more than once
No, they may not be seen alot, but even in one episode if the bridge is used throughout there is probably a good deal of angles and shots used (provided its a full set)
Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
That's only helpfull if someone's got the episode on DVD and has a player in their coputer from which they can rip screencaps. The main problem is that the screencaps are IMPOSSIBLE to find online.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Thats exactly what we're doing...
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
So what's lacking now?
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Would it be possible to get the Enterprise-C and/or Hathaway captures sent to me? My address is andrew -at- thehappypill -dot- ca
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Why not just wait until the site's up?
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
I'm working on some bridge designs of my own and they'd be helpful. I don't know how long the site is going to take so I thought I'd ask.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Patience, my young padewan. 8)
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Short of several Movie Starships, and Voyager/Enterprise caps, I think we've got about everything we need in terms of raw shots. HTML and picture processing / thumbnailing are next. Harry's on Vacation, and I'm concentrating on a convention work right now, but I'll be more available in two weekends.
Mark
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
I can batch-thumbnail images, if that's any help...
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
So what does our list of needs look like?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I haven't had the time to sit down and precisely catalogue what we need, but off the top of my head:
-Enterprise from Star Trek I, II, V (I think) -Reliant from ST II -Valiant from DS9 (may as well be complete) -Any bridge from TOS -Righteous from ST:Borg
And more, to be sure.
Mark
Posted by Capped in Mike (Member # 709) on :
i'm eager to help in any way i can. i've already contributed a few shots, but if i could be included in any email exchange or see what is missing from the work, let me know
Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
I have a few requests for Mark for Nemesis shots, I'll do them over the weekend.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I pasted together a panorama from "Caretaker" of Voyager.
I'll do up the Valiant here in a couple minutes.
Mark, I also emailed you some old scans I found that might give better shots of some ships.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Thanks, Alan. I look forward to receiving those.
Hehe - that guy standing at Mission Ops II on Voyager has always bugged me. Look how far apart his feet are! What, is he afriad of being taller than Janeway?
Mark
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
As an extra, his costume didn't fit properly. Probably chafed or something. 8)
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Thanks, Alan. I look forward to receiving those.
Mark
Actually, they were mailed to you about 2 hrs ago so you should have them by now. I am also currently uploading the Valiant to my outbox so you should have that within the hour.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
If you're trying to tell us those Reliant pictures are of anythign approaching quality, you're crazy
I didn't realize we still needed early movie stuff, I can get capping tomorrow when I'm at my Dad's again.
Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
They're the best you'll get without doing it yourself.
They don't need to be that high quality anyway, since it's so obviously based on the TWOK/TSFS set, for which there _are_ very high quality images available.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
The whole idea of this project is to get high quality captures of all the bridges.
Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
Well, I look forward to seeing them then.
BTW, how about the Grissom bridge from ST3?
Here's the Excelsior from ST3 if you're nterested. Also have tons of shots of the Excelsior from ST6 as well:
Do you have the TNG DVDs? I could use some screencaps of the battle bridge from Encounter at Farpoint.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Boh, you're getting a little big for your britches there buddy.
seanr - ST3 is all capped. I got the Grissom and Excelsior.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
I think its all the times I've seen seanr tell people to "read the thread"
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Ah, well, I was going to do the ever-changing runabout cockpit (now that I have all seven seasons of DS9!). I'll also see where my ST2:CE ran off to for some DVD-quality caps.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Confirmed receipt of Valiant plus some random (but probably useful) scans of magazine articles, etc.
Incidentally, the S1 TNG bridge and Battle Bridge are about the only things missing from the TNG collection at this point.
So, youse wants to give the Runabouts a shot? I'd really only be after the two MAIN configurations, as it'd be hell to track down all the different chairs..!
Mark
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
quote:Originally posted by Guardian 2000: Ah, well, I was going to do the ever-changing runabout cockpit (now that I have all seven seasons of DS9!). I'll also see where my ST2:CE ran off to for some DVD-quality caps.
I've got ST2 if you can't get yours
Posted by Capped in Mike (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lee: As an extra, his costume didn't fit properly. Probably chafed or something. 8)
in jest? i noticed another case of this: in the opening shots of The Cage, the crewman at engineering has pants that are unfortunately about siz inches too short to reach his boot.. we're talking some majore exposed calf here! woo wooo!
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Reliant and Enterprise-D from "E@Fp" caps are done, but I will upload them later today. Been a long night out fighting crime. FG tired. FG need sleep.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Cool shots from Generations... I hope I never get fat like Shatner...
Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
quote:Originally posted by Captain Boh: I think its all the times I've seen seanr tell people to "read the thread"
You'll notice I've never said that in threads that were ELEVEN pages long (unless what was missed was on the current page). Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Well, I do belive everything is summerised in the first few pages... I'm too lazy to check though Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Just thought I'd update, I am getting Star Trek II captures at this moment
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Point of interest: The simulator bridge has at least one difference from the standard bridge, a no smokeing sign "NO SMOCKING AT ANY TIME ON BRIDGE"
Is that for the crew, or the consoles?
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Captain Boh: Point of interest: The simulator bridge has at least one difference from the standard bridge, a no smokeing sign "NO SMOCKING AT ANY TIME ON BRIDGE"
Is that for the crew, or the consoles?
Apparently, it means the crew is not to wear smocks... Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Working on the runabout in its various cockpit configurations.
Posted by Chris W. (Member # 1347) on :
So, when will the first version of this collection be available for public view?
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
I would like to volunteer for yet another service, besides bridge overhead plans: seamless panoramas.
See? No seams. I think that all those panoramas presented here would look better without all those seams, wouldn't you say?
So, you all can send me individual images and I will stitch them together seamlessly.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Do we even want it for public view. Perhaps we should just keep it to Flare members.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Perhaps we should have a password and a secret handshake as well...
Hey Kaz, the problem with seamless panoramas is that they are pretty hard to comeby because from what I've found the depth of the zoom changes with the pan. I found that with Janeways walk across Voyagers bridge that I posted the panorama for a page or two back.
Posted by Capped in Mike (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dat: Do we even want it for public view. Perhaps we should just keep it to Flare members.
BUT WE ARE SHOWOFFS
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: Hey Kaz, the problem with seamless panoramas is that they are pretty hard to comeby because from what I've found the depth of the zoom changes with the pan.
Yeah, I know...
But like I said, I can do this. You think it was easy to do this TMP panorama? Bah! I had to skew, cut and blend various pieces to connect them together, but I'm reasonably happy with the outcome. So, I thought, what the hell, maybe I should do other panoramas as well, if I'm permitted.
Am I? Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
But do you really want to go through all that trouble with the many bridges that we have (or gonna have)?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Nice panorama! Is it just me - but that guy behind Uhura handing something up to the ceiling - SO should have been wearing a 'top' to go over the jump suit to hide his erm... modesty.
I'm sure the extra was pleased when it was on at the movies - on the big screen Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dat: Do we even want it for public view. Perhaps we should just keep it to Flare members.
Seems like it would be a waste to hoard such a valuable resourse.
Posted by Ultra 2 Legit 2 Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Like platinum in the trade of nerds.
Maybe not.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Guardian 2000: Working on the runabout in its various cockpit configurations.
Within, you'll now find images of the various 'bridges' of the runabouts, separated by season and episode. Below, you'll find excessive detail regarding the shots:
DS9-1 shots include some basic establishing shots. Note the position of the transporter cramping up the whole cockpit, the blocky things at the forward corners for characters to bash their heads upon, and the uh-oh-we-forgot-a-door from "Past Prologue", replaced by the time of "The Passenger". The doodads on the former back wall were moved behind the door, with access to the aft compartment to the left or right.
(This always used to seem like an error to me, since the runabout's mission-specific modules were supposed to be on either side of a central hallway. But, the runabout model does have enough extra space for there to be a hallways on the side which rejoin into a central hallway. There's a second, smaller set of side windows which would be the logical point for this to occur.)
(And, though I didn't cap it, there's an access port just behind the center cockpit console but in front of the transporter. It is from here that the dude from Past Prologue inserted and launched his little bomb. The hatch itself was not visible in the shot, but I think it's the same as is seen in DS9-7 (as capped) and the same as from DS9-2's "The Jem'Hadar".)
There were no major changes for season two, except that the blocky corner-thingies got some extra controls on the vertical faces, so that now you could bash your head and simultaneously activate the ship's self-destruct or something.
DS9-3 sees the replacement of the blocky corner-thingies by more head-friendly controls, so that now the front half of the cockpit has a nice wrap-around effect. This alters the floorplan slightly, and undoubtedly made the cramped cockpit feel a bit less cramped.
DS9-4 had no readily-apparent changes.
For DS9-5, the aft door was widened and the transporter was moved, "inserted" into the wall that formerly existed behind the door. Whatever was in the wall there before evidently got moved or miniaturized somehow. In place of the transporter, a free-standing console was placed on the floor. This goofy-shaped unit served no readily-apparent purpose except to make the floor less boring, which would've been better accomplished by a normal TNG-era console.
That was pretty much the final configuration of the cockpit, as the various DS9-7 shots reveal.
Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
Gaurdian - can you get the caps any larger than that? Especially the TMP Klingon bridge shots?
Dat, what's the point of doing it if it's not ut there and available to the general public? I honestly think you guys out to get the content posted to www.trek-reference.net as well.
The panorama is pefect, but as with Gaurdians shots a little too low-res. If you can get your DVD software to rip at double that res, they'd be a lot more usefull.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Bridges from Star Trek II capped and sent. I might have gone a bit overboard, but better safe than sorry, right?
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by seanr: Gaurdian - can you get the caps any larger than that? Especially the TMP Klingon bridge shots?
quote:but as with Gaurdians shots a little too low-res. If you can get your DVD software to rip at double that res, they'd be a lot more usefull.
1. That's the resolution at which the film came. And no, I'm not capping with DVD software in that case. And no, I won't explain further. 2. Who the hell are you to bitch about quality? Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I am away this weekend and won't be able to confirm receipt of any new stuff until I get back - barely able to surf on this POS computer of my parents. Will update on Monday, we will.
Mark
Posted by Futurama IV 8.24.04 (Member # 968) on :
Yeah, Mark, your email is over quota, I just got my email/caps returned to me.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Oh, joy. There's so much stuff his email account has filled up, and I volunteered to host the finished site. . .
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
I've still got available webspace if need be
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Actually, what happened is the trash filled up with all the stuff I'd otherwise downloaded, and forgot to empty it before I left. It's empty now - send away!
Also, confirmed receipt of new ST6 E-A shots, plus a revised Hathaway overhead from Jan.
Mark
Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
This is why web based email sucks. Posted by Futurama IV 8.24.04 (Member # 968) on :
Much like the web itself...
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Or, rather, Mark should be using a Gmail account for this Posted by Futurama IV 8.24.04 (Member # 968) on :
Well Mark, I just plopped out a big wet one on your front porch. It's the one your email rejected over the weekend, so rape and pillage it for what it may be worth.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Raping an pillaging, thanks. Confriming receipt of Reliant.
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to make that list this weekend (too many frickin' meetings), but I think we're practically at our goal...
Mark
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Shaw mail is web based?
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Hey guys, I was a lying whore about the Runabout cockpit in season one. I was just watching "Vortex", and found that the funky panel from "Past Prologue" was back again.
Sorry about that. If more specifics from that season are needed, let me know.
Posted by Captain Serek (Member # 1038) on :
Dat, just a silly question (I seem to be asking alot of these), but may i ask why you are choosing not to attempt the 3-D cutaways ala Fact Files/Magazine for the bridges they never did and should have? For a project like this it would be a nice addition, but I will understand why. I do not anticipate either publication to come across any time in the near future and who knows, it may just be the kick in the ass they need to bring it back. Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Do we have anyone capable of doing those?
Posted by Futurama IV Shizzle (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Captain Serek: I do not anticipate either publication to come across any time in the near future and who knows, it may just be the kick in the ass they need to bring it back.
And maybe monkeys will fly freely from our collective arses...
START EATING YOUR BANANAS!
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
So you're asking if anyone here has the ability to produce perfectly extrapolated three-dimensional artist's impressions of bridge plans, which, just by virtue of being as good as the ones in the defunct magazines, will spontaneously lead to the revival of those titles? It's a good question, one best countered with a question of my own: when exactly did you arrive on this planet?
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
quote:Originally posted by Captain Serek: Dat, just a silly question (I seem to be asking alot of these), but may i ask why you are choosing not to attempt the 3-D cutaways ala Fact Files/Magazine for the bridges they never did and should have? For a project like this it would be a nice addition, but I will understand why. I do not anticipate either publication to come across any time in the near future and who knows, it may just be the kick in the ass they need to bring it back.
I, unfortunatly do not have the skills to acomplish this feat. I can throw around ideas, but that's the extent that I can contribute. Sorry.
Posted by Capped in Mike (Member # 709) on :
well, for the ships we have a definite grasp of the scale of, and a decent idea of the set configuration, it would be cool to draw sideview cutaways of some bridges. i accomplished something similar in an old paint program using a series of standard templates to create a bridge sideview. with vector drawers and photoshopping, it might be a suitable artistic endeavour, especially if we throw canon to the wind and attempt to illustrate unseen functions of some of this strange architecture.
for some designs, it would be demonstrative of just how unlikely they are, like the bridges that don't fit into the ship theyre supposed to, etc..
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
We know most of the three dozen-odd bridges fearured at EAS (which I assume has pretty much a complete a collection) were ultimately based on one or two existing sets, so I suppose in theory it might be possible to do a cut'n'paste job? Don't know what it's end up looking like though, I suspect it'd be a dog's dinner. . .
Posted by Captain Serek (Member # 1038) on :
In my own defense, I was just doing wishful thinking on my part as far as the bringing back of the defunt zines. As far as skills and talent, I agree, we do know or are at least can exprolate what sets were redressed to create said bridges. Also, in looking at the EAS bridges, a down and dirty copy and paste is possible and would not look as good as an original drawing using Illustrator, Freehand or whatever drawing software is out there, plus any Photoshop or paint programs as well. Will it be easy, hell, no! The talent required is certainly what I and some others would consider a challenge. Will it add to the website, Hell, yes. Since this website is, what I am hoping anyway, is THE definitve site on starship bridges we have seen since TOS. Given the fact that Flare-ites consider themselves the ultimate starship authority, an opinion which I share, the quality will be added that much more. Can it be done, yes. Will it be done, maybe not now, but as more images come in and are uploaded on to the site, possibly. I, hopefuly, am not the only who would not mind seeing this done to add another level to this already ambitious project. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Is there a list of all the completed capped bridges?
Anyone got Kassidy Yate's TOS-esque bridge?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:A Klingon/Betazed counselor: "I feel your pain...and like it"
(From Captain Serek's signature file.)
A Ferengi/Betazoid child... "I can't hear myself think!" Posted by Futurama IV Shizzle (Member # 968) on :
I believe everything up Season 3 of Voyager has been capped (including the "Xhosa"), actually, maybe the E-D from "Enc@Farpoint" may still be needed...
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Apologies once again, guys. The compiled list of what we've got will be at the top of the list of priorities when I get back home, after finishing up this convention.
Damn, the cosplayers are HOT this year...
Mark
Posted by Futurama IV Shizzle (Member # 968) on :
Shazzam! Layout of Voyagers bridge.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Interesting, so if you were at the Engineering or Science consoles you wouldn't really have a good view of the main view screen. Speaking of which - what are the two arcs either side of it representing? Unused doors?
Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
Those arcs represent wild walls - they can be rolled out in order to allow the placement of a camera outside the actual boundries of the set.
Futurama, where did you get that from? With these plans, if there are any scale indicators of any kind on the originals, please try to maintain them on the cleaned up version. The biggest problem I have doing sets in trueSpace is determining the scale of the actual set.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Ah yes... the mystery hallway leading off the bridge. I've always assumed that leads to the corridor aft of the bridge and possibly to a ramp down to deck 2. Of course, the episode where Chakotay is wandering through different time periods of the ship's existence and drags Janeway into that hallway kind of ruins the layout of the ship back there... but I choose to ignore that.
Re: the view of the main viewscreen from Science and Engineering - I think there was actually a scene shot from this vantage point in early season one, when Voyager hurt the living Nebula. They were trying to figure out how to fix it and Janeway muted the viewer to quiet the holoDoc up. The view was a little pinched, but you could see it alrght.
Posted by Futurama IV Shizzle (Member # 968) on :
Well if my DVD player wasn't being such a bitch I could cap the angle from "The Cloud", so I can't help you there.
As for scale on the Voyager Shazzam pic I posted...indicators are notta.
My best suggestion would be making the Conn chair the your reference for size and just map the rest out with a ruler. I can't imagine the chairs being any more than 18 inches wide, if to scale. That would make the bridge from ready room entrance to conference room entrance, roughly 35' across by 25' deep, viewscreen to aft station consols.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The Sci/Eng consoles are a sort of cheat for the set... They don't have an especially good view of the forward viewer, but are built to suggest that you can. Many is the time that you'll see a shot of Janeway or Paris on the bridge, and you'll see someone looking "at" the viewer when really they aren't able to see much. But people rarely notice this, and just assume tha the backrgound characters are "really" looking at the action on the viewer.
Orginally, the main "theme" of the bridge is that the viewer was more like a window than other bridges, and that everyone should be able to look at it. This is inasmuch as the E-E bridge had the CO chair at the highest floor point, and every other principal station configured such that everyone can press buttons while they talk to the Captain.
Mark
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, since the viewscreen is supposed to be 3D, maybe the people at the science and engineering stations are supposed to inform the captain of things going on off to the sides on the alien bridges they communicate with.
Posted by Futurama IV Shizzle (Member # 968) on :
3D? Say what? Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
It's magic.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Haven't you ever noticed that, when they show a shot of a viewscreen or computer monitor from off to the side, and there's someone on that screen, we see the side of their face?
[ July 20, 2004, 08:59 PM: Message edited by: TSN ]
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I'm back from my vacation, so I'll be ready to help with the XHTML side of things.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Excellent. Still doing cleanup after my con, but I'll try to compile the definitive list of bridges we have tonight.
Mark
Posted by Captain Serek (Member # 1038) on :
If you want, I have a complete list of the Fact Files/Magazine bridges they did. Just for reference at least. I am sure by now most of the stuff has be capped and the overheads on the new bridges are beginning.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yeah, let's look more an overheads than FF-style views. New content! New content!
Here we go with that list of capped bridges:
TNG (Ship - Episode)
Tsiolkovsky - Naked Now Stargazer - The Battle Yamato - Contagion Lantree - Unnatural Selection Hathaway - Peak Performance E-C - Yesterday's Enterprise E-D - Yesterday's Enterprise Hanson's Ship - BoBW II E-D Battle Bridge II - BoBW II Brattain - Night Terrors Sutherland - Redemption II Excalibur - Redemption II Bozeman - Cause and Effect Jenolan - Relics E-Nil - Relics Parallel Bridges I, II, III - Parallels Pasteur - All Good Things Dreadnaught E-D - All Good Things
DS9
Saratoga - Emissary Runabout Norkova - The Passenger Prometheus - Second Sight Odyssey - The Jem'Haddar Defiant (initial config) - The Search Defiant - The Adversary Valiant - The Valiant Lakota - Paradise Lost Sau Paulo - The Dogs of War Ross's Ship (Farragut?) - What You Leave Behind
Okay, so what are we missing. This list notes only what I have in my DIRECT possession. I have not downloaded others from other sources, such as Sean Robertson's repository for example. That said, we're missing stuff like the following (and correct me if I'm wrong):
Righteous - ST Borg game (Sean) Xhosa - For the Cause E-A - TFF E-nil - TMP (saw composite - did I recieve the raws?)
Time to clean up, get what's missing and see how competant I've been in collecting these things from you guys. I *thought* I was sent a bunch of Runabout pics, no? I may have misplaced some.
Lesee here...
Mark
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Do you still need E-E caps from Nemesis apart from the deleted-scene ones? Because if so this weekend will be the only time I have to get them. . .
Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
Not sure why you haven't downloaded my stuff, but I've got TONS of shtos of the TFF bridge:
Maybe he wants clearer and smaller caps.
Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
Smaller sux. Clearer would be awesome, but good luck getting them. Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
If you really want them smaller though, just resize them in Photoshop to 50% - they'll get clearer when you do so. I'm just trying to save you guys a ton of work. I went through an awful lot of trouble to get ahold of those in the first place so now that they're avilable, no one else should have to. Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama IV Shizzle: My best suggestion would be making the Conn chair the your reference for size and just map the rest out with a ruler. I can't imagine the chairs being any more than 18 inches wide, if to scale.
Actually, I'll probably do it from the turbolift. All of the Trek turbolifts have been 8ft 0in in diameter, at least since TMP.
Posted by Captain Serek (Member # 1038) on :
According to the list you posted, you are missing the following:
USS Relativity - VOY USS Equinox - VOY USS Enterprise - TOS - Kirk/Pike USS Lexington - TOS USS Huron - TAS
Otherwise, it looks complete. I think I caught everything.
Posted by Capped in Mike (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: TOS - none
quote:Originally posted by Capped in Mike awhile ago in this thread: the lexington had the tall 'mirror, mirror' command chair
sorry i can't do email lately, but i'd still like to submit things here & see whats going on..
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Sorry about that, Mike. I want to go through this thread to make sure what I got. Then when we're sure enough we've got the material, I'll start a new thread about the actual MAKING of the site.
Lee, please cap the Nemesis-E bridge from the main film. Not too many, though; just enough to show the changes (new consoles, support rails, paint job).
Sean, thanks for the TFF pics. I'd still like to get some of the bridge from the newer transfer though, if possible. I'll gladly snatch the Rigtheous pics, though. Anyone wanna try re-capping the ST5 bridge?
Also, regarding the Jenolan - the only caps I have are from the teaser, when the gang first beams in. Are there any other useable shots from later on? Perhaps, when Geordi and Scotty are flying the ship - or are they too shakey?
Mark
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Okeydokey!
Posted by Capped in Mike (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by Capped in Mike: made off of an AVI rip
here's another: the defiant in "the search" had an extra step up to the command area.
this is the other picture i made in our panorama series, originals available upon my having time to recap them
Posted by Futurama IV Shizzle (Member # 968) on :
I think I made something like that too....
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
This morning, confirmed receipt of extra Reliant caps. Ever notice that the side consoles added flanking the turbolift look like big refrigerators with ice and water dispensers on the front? Anyone consider that Terrell just wanted chilled beverages on his bridge in the days before ubiquitous replicators, and sacrified one of his elevators to get it?
Mark
Posted by UFPSFMC-Colonel Mike Captain (Member # 709) on :
you just made me imagine Captain Terrell inviting Lando Calrissian on board and serving up Colt 45 from the bridgeminifridge.
Posted by Futurama IV Shizzle (Member # 968) on :
the brothas sure like their colt 45
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I love that bridge.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
And I hate that bridge.
Seriously - Sisko spent four years not looking out the window, but the back of Dax's pretty head as she flew the thing. I mean, there's nothing intrinsically WRONG with looking at the back of Dax's pretty head, but I'd hope he'd like to instead see what's going on outside - or at least, that's why he's always looking in that direction.
This is a similar "cheat" to the flanking consoles on Voyager's bridge. They can't really SEE the viewer, but they're always looking that way to suggest that they can.
Mark
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
I agree with the viewscreen head-flaw . . . Enterprise suffers the same problem.
This does explain how Nog ended up piloting the ship all the time, though.
Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
That problem would have been solved if they'd sunk the helm console down into the deck a bit instead of raising it up. I actually did that in a variation I made of that set:
Have you done anymore starships - I STILL LOVE your Daedelus in Spacedock picture.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Maybe they didn't want Dax looking at Sisko's crotch every time she spun around.
That's a darn fine set, though, Sean.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I'd love to see Sean do like a WALKTHROUGH of the defiant... an mpeg or something... out the Port Egress on the Bridge and then to the right and then left and through the arch I think it was... and then left again down the corridor, past the transporter and down the ladder into Engineering.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Maybe they didn't want Dax looking at Sisko's crotch every time she spun around.
"Stop staring at my crotch, old man!" Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
That's one dirty old man.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
At this time, still requiring caps of the following:
-ST5 bridge (sorry Sean, still think we can do better) -Nemesis bridge (Lee?) -More of the Jenolan after the teaser
In the meantime,I'm starting on the selection and capping process. I'll upload them to the TABASCO directory into a "thumbs" and "pics" directory.
It's a very asymetrical deisgn, with the transporter pad and engineering nook off to one side, and apparently only a wall off to the other side. Anyone want to try tackling the overhead on this one?
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
hmmm... Hanson's bridge during Wolf 359 appears to be the same set as the Ent-D Battle Bridge with slightly different back wall greebling (possibly the BB's back wall turned upside down), a small console on the railing, the command chair kicked off to the left a tad, and old Movie era monitor displays.
Have we already discussed that? I've lost track.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
We have. The chair may have been turned or moved (perhaps a dual seat arrangement for fleet command?) and the graphics changed, but it's otherwise the same set. We're generally in agreement that any potential color differences are more due to the lighting than anything else.
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, the greebling behind him is different. The wedge piece is pointing down on the BB and up on Hanson's bridge. So I'm guessing they just turned that panel upside down.
Make take on the Jenolin bridge is that it's circular with a tumor on one side for the engineering station. The tactical console appears to be centered behind the command chair, which is in turn centered behind the conn and ops consoles. To starboard, there's a little alcove, but the port side appears to be alot longer with the engineering console sticking out parallel to the conn and ops ones and the M/AMR diagram on the wall behind it.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Double post..
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I'm a afraid I don't see the greebling. I think the "wedge" piece just below Hanson's left shoulder is pointing down - we see the right limb of the downturned part.
As for the Jenolan, I agree that it's circular (or square) with the engineering and transporter hemoraging off the port side. The starboard side may be part of the ship's computer, the access panel is any indication.
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
OK... I see it now. You're right.
However, now that I look at it closer, that console is not centered, and it's not attached to the railing. It looks like a conn/ops style console sitting behind the railing. Oddly, there's no corresponding console on the other side of Hanson.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Sorry, sorry, I will try to do them this weekend.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Hanson might not even be on the ship's bridge: He's probably coordinating the fleet's assembly while the ship's captain runs the bridge/battle.
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Or he's on the Bridge but a section of it. It reminds me of the Lakota bridge shot with Benteen for DS9.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
For fuck's sake! I spent an hour doing the caps, had every conceivable wide shot or close-up of the E-E bridge, and guess what? PowerDVD goes and nicely renders the caps at some bizarre ratio that squashes everything together nicely. So, back to the drawing board.
Mark, here's an idea: can you send me the shots you do have of the E-E from FC and Ins, and I'll try to get caps from similar angles which might show any differences. . . Save me from having to do the whole damn thing again.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Do you still have those screenshots?
Because it's just some ratio that's wrong. When you open/view it in another program, that ratio is different from what PowerDVD itself uses. If you make an action (Adobe's word for macro) of it in Photoshop, you can very quickly fix all the shots. Or, put them in a zip and mail them to me (or preferably, let me download it from somewhere).
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Lee and Harry - I don't have any shots of the E-E from FC or INS. I wasn't going to concentrate much on the FC bridge at this phase since there are plenty of pictures of it online already, and no one had volunteered the INS bridge as yet. The NEM bridge was a relative priority because it was more of a wholesale upgrade than INS.
Mark
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lee: For fuck's sake! I spent an hour doing the caps, had every conceivable wide shot or close-up of the E-E bridge, and guess what? PowerDVD goes and nicely renders the caps at some bizarre ratio that squashes everything together nicely. So, back to the drawing board.
OK, I guess I know what may have happened. Your DVD is probably in widescreen anamorphic format, and your PowerDVD is configured to do captures in "Original video source size". Which isn't bad, as it preserves the resolution of the original video on the DVD (720x480, or maybe 704x480). The player (be it a standalone player or a software player on your computer) then has to properly scale the image to display it on the TV/monitor/whatever; since it's in widescreen anamorphic format, it has to be vertically compressed and the rest of the space filled with black bars (unless you have a HDTV). Don't throw them away, what you need is to resize them to 640x360 with some other program to get the proper ratio. Preferably, some program that can resample the image minimizing any nasty effects the resizing could have.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Er, yes, except I deleted them in a fit of rage. Would you expect any less? This is me, after all.
Posted by Nim the Merciful (Member # 205) on :
Did the bridge of the E-E change in any way from First Contact to Nemesis?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Significantly.
INS - removed Riker and Troi's consoles; replaced silly "on when ya need it" forward display with more traditional viewer; lighter paint job overall.
NEM - replaced Riker and Troi's consoles and added support rails for them to hold on to; replaced tactical consoles with expanded versions featuring a large flat-panel LCD in the middle; replaced side console "wrist supports" with more handles; new LCARS overall; darker paint job overall.
Also, in the NEM deleted scenes we see Picard's chair replaced with an ungainly, unmatching version with CGI auto-seatbelts. God, if they make another TNG movie I hope they don't go with that.
Mark
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I'll sort out the ratio and get some caps. I know where the useful scenes are now at least. And if no-one's going to do FC and INS I'll see if I can find some general images shwoing these differences.
Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: http://flareupload.pleh.net/uploads/968/VoyFloorPlan.jpg
Interesting, so if you were at the Engineering or Science consoles you wouldn't really have a good view of the main view screen.
A quick check of the QTVR from the Star Trek: Captain's Chair CDRom shows that the viewer is indeed fully visible from that position, including part of the wall to the near side of the viewer (right side if in starboard station). No visiblity problems at all. The overall shape of that plan is right (I overlaid it on the stage plan I've got), but I think the position of the chair at least is off. The angle of the protruding console may be as well. No way to know, really.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
It may be visble, but it's sure not a GOOD view. And if the viewer is holographic, they'd rarely get a decent look at whatever practically everyone else was seeing. One wonders why the "front window" motif on this bridge had such a relatively small viewer - scarcely larger than Defiant, no?
Mark
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I don't know why they didn't stick with the holographic viewscreen on the E-E bridge anyway.
Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
I don't think it was very well received by the fans. It's kind of pointless anyway, since you area really only looking at it from one angle anyway. It's not the kind of thing that you can move around in and interact with, like a real hologaphic display would be (see the end of Mission to Mars).
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The original idea was thet holo-display was only supposed to be "on" when they really needed something to look at - in FC, they only turned it on first when Picard wanted to see the battle raging outside (even though they were already fighting by that point). In other instances, it was "off" and you could see the wall beyond. So, while the gang was cruising along, most of them would have a view of.. the wall. Didn't make for good drama, or make much sense in the first place - the viewer is treated by most people as a window, and the bridge was built with that in mind.
Just another instance of how Starfleet bridges need to have certain things constant between them in order to be popular...
Mark
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
The only "on when you need it" viewer that really made sense was in Ops on DS9.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
quote:Originally posted by seanr: see the end of Mission to Mars.
Has anyone made it to the end of that movie? Red Planet at least had Carrie Anne Moss.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
And Mision to Mars at least made SOME scientific sense.
As for the end of said movie, wasn't it more like Stellar Cartography than any bridge viewer?
Mark
Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
Right, and that's the only context in which a holographic display makes much sense. That and tactical maps.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Are there still any plans for this project? Or has it gone the way of SD&TG, Unseen Frontiers and UP3?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Still here. We've got all the source material now, or at least enough for a good stab at a V 1.0 and subsequent tweaks. I'm just bogged down in the middle of my convention season - I frequent several anime and sci-fi cons as part of my touring improv show - though it ends this weekend with a road trip to Vancouver. We'll be back to it, promise!
Mark
Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
I anxiously await the chance to peruse all this content. Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yup. For reference, here's where we were at with the HTML some pages ago:
So whats the dilly on this? it started off with so much momentum, then just up and died. Any updates?
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
I think Mark is mainly in his free time (which is very little as I understand) going through all the images and sorting them out so that he can choose the best ones that give us the most or best views.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yes, my free time of late is little, between organizing dances and conventions and unrelated relationships. Unfortunately, while it's relatively easy making posts like at work, working on TABASCO while I'm here is not. I've sorted some of the ships into categories; I wanted to wait until I had more, but we may just want to start with that.
Mark
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Unrelated relationships? So now we know why you were driven out of Shelbyville!
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Yes, my free time of late is little, between organizing dances and conventions and unrelated relationships. Unfortunately, while it's relatively easy making posts like at work, working on TABASCO while I'm here is not. I've sorted some of the ships into categories; I wanted to wait until I had more, but we may just want to start with that.
Mark
Thats cool. I havent been around much and noticed this topic fell off the radar and curiousity got the best of me. Posted by Scooter (Member # 1422) on :
I would be happy to help if needed. I have two screencaps to contribute from an old SNES game I found called StarFleet Academy. Unfortunately the game is in German so it's impossible for me to play, but I managed to cap two bridges. They are motion picture era, just like the PC version of the game. The layouts are identical, but the colors and greeblies are different.
1. Bridge from the training simulator
2. Bridge from the missions
Last week I read this entire topic, and noticed that I might have some skills you guys might find useful. I recall that somebody expressed interest in capping the bridge from the Star Trek: Borg game. I have that game, so if you still need it capped I can do that but if somebody has already done it I won't bother doing it twice.
I also have image editing skills. I can take a dark screencap and fix the lighting. I can also repair bad stitching, which I did to two of your panoramas already. I don't know how to stitch, but I read that you already have somebody who volunteered for that and from what I saw he's rather good.
I also have web development skills, which seem to be the most lacking. I can write HTML, CSS, PHP, ASP, XML, and lots more.
So yeah I would be happy to help but I also won't feel bad if you don't need my help. I've got a LOT to keep me busy already and probably shouldn't even be volunteering for this.
A little background on me: - Diploma in Computer Systems Technology (specializing in Systems Integration) from the British Columbia Institute of Technology - Employed full-time by the largest emergency management company in North America - Hold several positions at JJ Entertainment Networks BV, the company that runs many gaming sites including EFFiles/EF2Files, BCFiles, SFC3Files - Fleet Admiral in Elite Roleplaying, the first and best roleplaying group for Elite Force - One of the leaders of the Destiny's Wind Development Team, the freeware Star Trek MMORPG which will be available before Star Trek: Online, and a million times more canon
My "claim to fame" in the Trek community is my canon quality assurance. A lot of people turn to me when they want to know if something is canon or not. Some call me the King of Canon, or the Canon Man. I've been studying Starfleet's rank structure for more than a decade (the final results will be very controversial). Just under a year ago, I wrote a new definition for "canon" with regards to Star Trek, because the old traditional definition from pre-TNG days doesn't work anymore. I haven't really circulated my new definition, because it would probably cause a riot over at rec.arts.startrek.tech. Some of you guys might be familiar though with a different project of mine, determining the aft stations on the Ent-D bridge from Generations. IIRC it was I who started it, I talked with Bernd and Spike about it, and I don't know who finished it but I know it wasn't me because at the time I only had the VHS tape and not the DVD.
Sorry for the big introduction but I felt it better not to just show up out of nowhere. Most of you probably have never heard of me, but I hope that at least Bernd and/or Spike remembers me.
[ November 14, 2004, 06:17 AM: Message edited by: Topher ]
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Welcome to the board, Scooter!
Well, yeah. That was me who made top panorama. Thanks for fixing the lights
Bottom one is also good. If only we could get rid of Yar in the middle...
And since we are talking about bridges from games, I also could make and post screencaps from Starfleet Academy bridge and Judgement Rites bridge (front and back).
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Do we need anything from DS9 season 3? I just got the set
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Oh man.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Please do not post extremely wide images or strings of chracters. Unless you enjoy being drawn and quartered. That is all. Thank you, come again.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Captain Boh: Do we need anything from DS9 season 3? I just got the set
Hey, you're the first....welcome aboard!
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kazeite: And since we are talking about bridges from games, I also could make and post screencaps from Starfleet Academy bridge
I suppose you're refering to the PC version? In that case, what about Klingon Academy?
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Klingon Academy for PC didn't had any sort of visible bridge. There were some nice QTVR panoramas on KA homepage, though... I don't know whether they are still available or not.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
What abouty the Neg Var's bridge? Looked to be a large two-storey affair with the commander giving orders from an upper deck of some sort...
Tha's comsistant with the ship's outer hull at least: the Neg Var's got a huuuuuge command structure.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
DS9 season 3??
Well I was thinking a panorama of Ops and the Promenade would be nice. There is the Cardassian command centre from "Defiant".
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
you really had to acknowledge that?
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kazeite: Klingon Academy for PC didn't had any sort of visible bridge. There were some nice QTVR panoramas on KA homepage, though... I don't know whether they are still available or not.
Unfortunately, I believe the page doesn't exist anymore... it used to be www.interplay.com/klingon IIRC. You can always look at the Internet Archive, though.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Neither does Interplay.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Hi Scooter! Yes, your help would be appreciated... I'm pretty toughed out here with other responsibilities and priorites, and I apologize again for dropping the ball. But TABASCO does need a kick in the pants to get a workable version running.
Tell you guys what... THIS WEEKEND, I'll put up a screencap collection of no fewer than ten ships to start us off, caps and full-sized pics. We'll turn it over to interested HTML parties and get SOMETHING working. We'll improve it incrementally from there.
Now - with regards to the TABASCO logo, perhaps we shoudl use it as a watermark or something? Thoughts?
Mark
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Hokay, I've got a set of 99 screencaps and thumbnails for eleven ships:
Brattain Defiant (1st configuration) Enterprise-A (ST-6) Enterprise-B Excelsior (ST3) Excelsior (ST6) Lakota Odyssey Reliant Sau Paulo Valiant
Thumbnails are 175 pixels wide, which look sufficient to me. Now sending to various peoples, unless someone can host it (zip file, ~5.6 megs).
Now, who's still up for some HTML?
Mark
Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
175px? Do you have full sized images, or just the thumbnails?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I've got both. What we were waiting for was for me to sort through all the raw images and select the most representative caps for each bridge, make thmubnails for 'em, and then we could make the requisite HTML to link to one through the other. The ZIP file contains both the caps and the full-sized pictures.
Mark
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
I can host the zip file, just send it to me at andrew -at- thehappypill.ca and I'll throw it online tonight
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
It's only another template of mine with different colors. Although I'm slightly colorblind, so it might actually look like shit...
Since we're calling it TABASCO, we might as well go for a TABASCO-like style. And it's certainly a break from the everpresent white-on-black Star Trek sites.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I was about to utter an indignant "HEY!" at that last bit, but then I saw you linked to me on the main page, so I'm mollified. Design looks good. 8)
Posted by Scooter (Member # 1422) on :
Got Mark's email, and I'm still here to help. I'm no designer so I leave that to Harry and anyone else who wants to chip in their two cents. Writing the code to power the site is my specialty. But I don't want to get into that until we've settled on a design. I like Harry's layout and styling (do you hang out at ALA too?), but the green is a bit hard on the eyes (well, mine anyway). I'll go with whatever the majority wants.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I 'hang out' on ALA as in 'I read it'. This particular design uses a few of their tricks (the rounded divs, for example).
A database-driven approach would indeed be the easiest way to maintain a site like this, but I'm not sure what, if any, server-side scripting Lee's host supports (since we were planning in hosting it at http://tabasco.phasers.net ). Although judging from that link, there's a cgi-bin folder, mich makes me think 'Perl!'.
I'm more of a PHP man myself, so I won't be of much help with Perl.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
The account allows all sorts of bells and whistles. We have a photo album set up on the site, using Gallery, so I had to learn all about CHMODing to get it working (which it does now, very nicely). Basically you need to find out exactly what you need in terms of script support and I'll find out if it's available. The account plan I'm on isn't one they sell anymore - although I'm allowed to keep renewing it - but I think it supports CGI, Perl, PHP, SSI, C/C++, maybe one MySQL database. . . Likewise, I don't know how much control the FTP account I set up for TABASCO allows, so it may be that I have to do any CHMODing that goes on to make the site work.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Harry - send me a simple placeholder index.htm page I can bung up on the site, just in case. . .
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Spiffy stuff! Lee, Harry and Scoot, I was wondering if you guys could work out the HTML / hosting side of things... I'm still no better at it than when we started this thing.
In the meantime, a couple volumes of Voyager have come out... We need caps of Excelsior as seen in "Flashback", the Prometheus bridge from "Message in a Bottle", the wrecked SS Raven from "The Raven", and for the hell of it Dauntless from "Hope and Fear". If Season 5 has come out, we'll need Equinox and Raven (again), a shot of Geordi sitting on the "bridge" of Challenger from "Timeless", and of course Relativity. Any volunteers?
Mark
[ November 24, 2004, 08:46 AM: Message edited by: Mark Nguyen ]
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I got season 3 Voyager
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Awesome. How about some caps of the carpeted and open-doored Excelsior, then?
Mark
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Just remembering my older ideas for how stuff should be arranged. I'd like to have overhead views for all bridges possible.
What in fuck is the USS Righteous? Is that part of the "Holier than thou" class?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Something like that - involving Q and the Borg, it's from the Trek choose-your-own-adventure game "Star Trek: Borg". As explained elsewhere, you play the son of a Wolf 359 victim given a time-travelling chance to save him. Mediocre game, mediocre book-on-tape.
But it features a live-action look at what a TNG-era Excelsior-class ship might look like (designed by the VOY production crew, natch), and that's why we want it.
Mark
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
That explains why when I played the game it featured the Voyager corridors and the paint scheme on an Excelsior Class starship. I want that TNG MSD behind the captain's chair though.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Awesome. How about some caps of the carpeted and open-doored Excelsior, then?
Mark
As soon as I get it in the mail...
eBay for $36 *new*! Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: As explained elsewhere, you play the son of a Wolf 359 victim given a time-travelling chance to save him. Mediocre game, mediocre book-on-tape.
Ah. I actually had that and never bothered to listen past the first tape. John DeLance read it as I recall. I was driving to Orlando and it was more of a distraction than entertainment. I was just hoping for W359 play-by-play.
Meh....mabye one day. Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
I want that MSD in the game... more than playing the game which I still have.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I got it for $5 clearance a couple years ago, still haven't played it yet.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I bet that MSD is just the one from Generations, but with an LCARS background.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
That's what all the girls say... Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
Enough jibba jabba... caps!
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
Upon closer inspection, this is the same basic set rebuilt for "Flashback", right down to the chair and carpeting ("ST:Borg" was released in 1997, after "Flashback" was made).
Compare with the screencaps we have linked on the last page. They only switched out the doors, helm/nav console, LCARS and small details, including adding a small console to the forward port railing. Heck, they even kept the chairs, which lacked the lower wheel covering or the fact taht the helm/nav chairs were not anchored to the deck...
I think the MSD is new for the set too... It's fuzzy, but I can't make out the secondary hull expansion.
Mark
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
You can also see the Prometheus and Equinox bridges in some of the details. . .
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Not surprising, since they use the same set. I think it disappears afterwards, though.
Additional: Our man Spike will be capping season four of VOY, including Prometheus, Dauntless and the first incarnation of SS Raven.
Mark
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
has anyone made any more preparations towards publishing this, perhaps as a beta version? i'm a little left out if there's email going around about this
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
There hasn't been any e-mail bouncing around, not really. I e-mailed Scooter once, and Spike contacted me independently and quite coincidentally.
Harry still has the lead on HTML, and Scooter has offered to help. We've still got a lot of ships to sort through (and cap), and I intend to produce another batch this weekend.
Mark
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Confirm receipt of Dauntless. We're rolling again, folks!
And I think we can start considering Trek gaming bridges too, now that we're going to include Righteous. Besides that Connie-esque bridge posted earlier, what else is there? We should try to minimize game versions of canon Trek bridges, though.
I don't game much - I know there's an Excelsior-class bridge in "Elite Force II", and I'm told there's something in "DS9: The Fallen". What else?
Comics can't be far behind... But let's tackle one thing at a time.
Mark
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Bridge Commander? Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
God no. Besides, even the bridge mods you find on bcfiles.com are canon sets or reskins thereof.
Mark
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Yeah, I played BC and two bridges ingame are "stock" Galaxy and Sovereign bridges (with cartoonish consoles ) There was also an Akiraclass bridge ("redress" of Sovereign - only MSD was changed), and couple of alien half-bridges.
As long as we are talking about games, Elite Force 2 E-E bridge was pretty normal. The same cannot be said about Dallas bridge, though...
Here's overhead view. I'll see if I can get a better shot (without weapon and HUD) and make a panorama.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Picture saved. Yeah, that's the one I was looking for, thanks!
I've sent the guy a PM via Dewback Wing ASAP - where he posted the link, perhaps he can help in some way.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I got the caps for the Excelsior from "Flashback". Damn near perfect 360˚ view of it.
I will endeavor to sort through them and send them to you this week, Mark.
For the hell of it, do you want the Aeon cockpit?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
It's more a shuttle, really... I'd slide it down on the priority list, at least for now. Though Braxton identifies it as a "Federation Timeship", I'd consider Relativity ahead of her. Thanks for the Flashback Excelsior! Looking forward to it.
Lee, that TOS bridge rocks. The overhead plan could be very useful...
(WARNING: this hasn't been (de?)bugged for IE yet, so it might look funky is good ol' Explorer).
I'm thinking this is the final design. Unless someone has other good ideas. Now, we have to decide on a final format. How do we display the information? An entry per ship, per class or even per set?
The current mockup has entries per general design of a ship's bridge, although the entries are listed by class. Since bridges are supposed to be modular, I suspect that it's possibly that contemporary ships of the same class may have different bridges. I suggest per-ship entries.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Harry: Here comes another HTML mockup:
Wow, I am both somewhat disturbed and disappointed...
There's no starry backdrop with a cheesy promo shot of kirk in his captain chair and a MIDI TOS theme...
I must say Sir, my expectations were certainly set too high...
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Good work, Harry. Will the blue palette clash with the TABASCO logo, or are we abandonning that?
I'm good with a per-ship listing, but I'd also like to enclose a chart or something linkable, listing all the ships of a given class together. Part of this project's purpose is to be able to track the differences between the differences between ships. Another chart would track the evolution of set use through the production chonology of the franchise.
Mark
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I'm abandoning the TABASCO logo. It's not suited for small sizes at all. Perhaps I'll do a variation on it that is more suited for a small size.
Or perhaps the good Reverend is willing to do a TABASCO logo
If we put it into a database, you can basically sort, group and display the bridges anyway you want: per set, per bridge, per class. So perhaps a better question is, what kind of data fields do we want for each bridge?
Posted by Scooter (Member # 1422) on :
Looks normal in IE6, though that doesn't mean it's identical. Just stay away from new-fangled CSS and everything will be fine.
PHP is no problem for me. On to the database design phase! Here are the fields I see us needing thus far: bridge_pk - this will be an automatically assigned number; you'll see why later category - eg. TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT class - eg. Galaxy, Miranda, Excelsior year - eg. 2370, 2366, 2270, 2151 description overhead_url - Link to overhead view image
The bridge_pk field will be useful particularly for having multiple caps per bridge, since we can have a second table like this: image_pk - another automatically assigned number bridge_fk - corresponds with bridge_pk from the first table image_url - Link to screencap
We'll probably want a third table for news items? news_pk - you guessed it, another auto-assigned number timestamp - 11 bit integer representing the date and time description - the news article itself
Any other fields you want to add to the first table?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Probably a notes field for bridges. The description field could then be used for an in-universe .. description, and notes for background info.
Oh, and a field for the ship-name. You could make that by using a foreign key too, using NCCs as keys for a 'ship' table. Although that's possibly overkill.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I like it but is there a way to make the pics of the bridges...er..."clickable" (so they enlarge in their own window)?
Mabye go with just line art- instead of the negative image it is now- in the enlarged version so a viewer could (concievably) make their own bridge.....
Just offering ideas. Posted by Captain Serek (Member # 1038) on :
First of all, let me apologize in advance for ressurecting an old thread. I was just curious to see of anything has been done to get this website up and running or has real life intruded to the point of a very good idea gone by the wayside? I noticed that the mockup is down for the time being. Again, very sorry.
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Oh,the return of the mummy....
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I'm the one who sould be sorry... Yeah, we let this one run out of steam. I'd like to get back on it, and I hope we will, but in the meantime I've got a rather large collection of bridge screencaps. Requests on demand.
Mark
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
I'm still willing to put work in to get this going.
Posted by Captain Serek (Member # 1038) on :
If you can reassemble the team who was doing the overhead line drawings plus figuring out how the screencaps would be arranged and any other details for this very ambitious project. After all, the webspace is available, hopefully the passion is there as well. Mark, just rally the troops. Send the emails for those who said they would do some work on it, decide on how the pages are going to look and upload the damned thing!
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