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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
You've probably heard about Paramount flogging off all their priceless Star Trek artifacts to the highest bidder in "celebration" of the 40th Anniversary. Well a few weeks ago the auction pieces were in London, so I went along and took pictures. Unfortunately only a very small portion of the auctioned props, models and uniforms were on display, but what was there was still a joy to see up close.

The Defiant, a battle damaged Reliant model and the Ambassador class model were the three miniatures on display:
http://www.johnpearse.partsking.net/auction/defiant10.jpg

http://www.johnpearse.partsking.net/auction/reliant4.jpg

The rest of the pictures are on my website. If the above pics are too huge, feel free to change them to links.

[ August 28, 2006, 09:53 AM: Message edited by: TSN ]
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Whoa, those model shots are GOLD!

However, I'm wondering about the geneology of that smaller Reliant model. I'ts obviously not the big one used in TWOK and various subsequent appearances; where could it come from? It has the destroyed torpedo pod from the movie (which has never been replicated in the franchise as another ship), but otherwise..? Perhaps a distance model? It looks almost the scale of the commercial AMT model, but where could this model have been used?

Mark
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
The tag said it was the model used in TWoK. Apparently there are two sets of rollbars and nacelles with different amounts of damage. I think it might've actually been shown in one of those behind the scenes DVD featurettes once.

I wondered whether it was used to mold the AMT/ERTL models, only it actually seemed smaller than the commercial kit.
 

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
HOT DAMN! I wish I had some money saved away... say, a few hundred grand... I'd buy one of those models in a second!

Anyone notice how the rear panel on the Defiant is completely different from how it's appeared in any other references, like the DS9:TM?
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Hmm...You know while that Reliant model is battle damaged, its also really dirty don't you think? So are the Ambassador and Defiant. Still I'd buy the Ambassador if I were a rich man...la la la la la la la la la.
 

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
Yeah, the Reliant definitely looks like shit, plus the decals on the Ambassador don't match (they say both Yamaguchi and Excalibur). The Defiant might look a little dusty, but it's in good shape. I'd buy either that or maybe the Ambassador. (*sings* "If I were a rich man...")
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
The labelling on the Ambassador is very telling. It confirms that the last time we saw any new footage of the model is "Emissary", and that the only use prior to that would be the shot in "Redemption II", which makes sense.

Also, that the models look so crappy is also a good thing - it means that no one has altered them since production. A professional model guy would be needed to restore the pieces to display quality, but of course that would be up to the final owner.

Mark
 

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
Also, could somebody update those images to some damn links? I didn't notice it as much on the big screen at work, but I'm on a smaller window arrangement at home, and I can't even see the entire damn page, because of the stretching.

Haven't you people heard of thumbnails? It is possible to do with UBB code, you know.
 

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
No scroll bar?
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Cool model shots, Johnny! What's more, they (along with the older pictures on your page) have served to convince me now more than ever of my thoughts on the question of whether the Nebula seen in FC was the Leeds or the Farragut. (It was, in fact, both.)

EXHIBIT A: The Ambassador model labeled as the Yamaguchi on the dorsal saucer and nacelles and as the Excalibur on the ventral saucer and secondary hull. Similarly, the Nebula model was labeled on top as the Farragut on the bottom as the Leeds. (Pictures and discussion in older thread; Take care to read to the end or you will be very confused. )

EXHIBIT B: The Excelsior model with sign reading "U.S.S. Excelsior (aka Fredrickson)." We know that this same model, labeled as the Excelsior on the ventral saucer from its appearance in "Flashback" (VGR) was also labeled on top as the Fredrickson.

In contrast, the, Valkyrie model was labeled that on both sides, and thus its sign has no "aka" caveat. Of course, why the Nebula's sign says "U.S.S. Phoenix (aka Farragut)" and not "U.S.S. Leeds (aka Farragut)" is an unanswered question. Perhaps the signmaker remembered its first appearance in "The Wounded" (TNG) particularly strongly. Regardless, I am now fairly certain of my theory.

Thank you.

-MMoM
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
I'd change the pics to links, only the edit time has run out. I didn't know you could make thumbs with code.

I laughed when I went up to the Ambassador and saw it was still labelled as two different ships. It was also a shame to see how grubby the model was, and that it had quite large splits in the wood. I'd still buy it if I had the money(*joins the singalong*).

I wondered if some of the dirt on the Defiant in this shot was a remainder of the battle damage applied for the scene in FC, or maybe Valiant. Though, I couldn't remember if they used CGI for the Defiant by that point. Whatever, I'd buy the Defiant too if I could. I think the starting bid was $8,000.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
I remember reading somewhere that all of the damage on the Defiant for "First Contact" was CG. The paint markings could be from earlier damage back in the days when they DID alter the model...

Or, from simply moving the model and regular wear and tear over the years. The Ambie model has certainly seen better days, and was obviously not meant to last more than a few years in a shootable state (in fact, it was only used over the course of three).

Note also that there is absolutely no inkling of a torpedo tube anywhere on the model! This has been discussed many times over the years, but non-apparent torpedo bays (the ship has 'em, as mentioned in dialogue) are a stickler issue on a number of ships...

Mark
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 

"I didn't know you could make thumbs with code."

Nor did I. And it isn't mentioned on the UBB Code explanation page, either.
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Huh. Worf's spine.

I'd like to know what the Klingon-y female outfit is from. It's familiar, & yet....
 

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
I guess you could use the good old fashioned img tag and set the size to make you thumbs.
 

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 

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Originally posted by Johnny:
I had this and the Trek modelling boards in mind when I took them, so I tried to get as much detail as possible. And I tried to take as many as I could without looking like a proper weirdo.

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Probably didn't help that you were completely nude when taking the pictures too

Anywho, Mim I having trouble with your little nebula model theory. Are trying to say that production has used the same Nebula from TNG all the way to First Contact and they've just changed the labeling?
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Why wouldn't they?
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
From what I understand, they have used the same model all the way through. The Pheonix model was modified when it appeared with its new pod(as the Sutherland, was it?). Later the same model was refurbished for its appearence in Generations and then relabelled for either FC or DS9, whichever came first.

The modification of the Pheonix was mentioned in either The Art of Star Trek or The Continuing Mission. The Farragut was also shown in either TCM or The Movie Sketchbook.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Only very rarely has there been more than one model built of a particular design, and generally it's been done for the movies when a special shot was needed that couldn't be accomplished with the main model. (TNG also had three different models of the E-D to accomodate different shooting needs.)

There were some low-detail "study models" made of some Nebula pre-designs that have showed up as desktop decoration and in the Wolf 359 graveyard, but they are quite distinct from the large studio model. So yes, the Nebula model has been the same all the way from "The Wounded" (TNG) up until they switched to a CGI version on DS9. Likewise, there has been only one Excelsior, one Danube, and so on...

-MMoM
 

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
 
Other than the CGI Excelsior, there were actually two. The first was built as seen in ST3 and in the early seasons of TNG, was then modified for ST6, and then modified again for ST7. A second model was done for Voyager's "Flashback" since they may not have been able to undo the ST7 mods for the first model. It's the second model they used to make a CGI version.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Yes, that's correct. My bad. However, it was only a single model used up until "Flashback" and, as you mentoned, the only reson they built a new one was because the original had been irrevocably altered.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
I don't know whether anyone's noticed this already, but the complete catalogue list in the Christie website, including some photos which should interest us Treknology enthusiasts.

Archer's toy spaceship

The statue-come-Xindi killing weapon of Zephram Cochrane

A section of the Enterprise-B's secondary hull

Starfleet mission patches from Enterprise

Columbia's dedication plaque

Front section of a shuttlepod mock up

Starfleet Command

I've only gone through the first 200 lots(of 1000), and they're starting bids at at least $500 for each item. If they actually manage to find enough loaded Star Trek fans to buy all this stuff, they really will make an absolute fortune.

Edit: Wow, it's the Yeager!

http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/search/LOTDETAIL.ASP?sid=&intObjectID=4780059

[ September 17, 2006, 06:19 AM: Message edited by: Johnny ]
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Star Trek has droids now?
 

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Posted by Mirror-Amasov (Member # 742) on :
 
Who made these estimates? Why do they believe the Romulan Praetor's throne is going to make less money than a simple senate stool? Or a hero phaser rifle less than a stunt phaser rifle of the same type?

BTW, if we all pull out the money we were willing to donate for a fifth season of Enterprise, we may be able to get that Enterprise-E captain's chair for $7,000-$9,000. And if we're lucky we might have enough left to acquire that Yeager, too.

Some of my favorites:
Avenger dedication plaque
4 Vulcan Lirpas
Patches (E.C.S. means Earth Cargo Service? Never noticed that before...)
More patches
MACo patches and rank insignia Starfleet Security, TOS fanswill love this little tie-in
Defiant patches (is that image mirrored or is my memory getting weaker?)
A map of R'Kaal space
Ares IV mission patches
Jump to lot 351 and continuing. BTW, 354 is not the Caretaker. It's that other one, right? Plus:
every nerd's wet dream...
Deep Space Nine. Sort of.
Zek's beetle snuff box. Not that's what I call a collectible...
Pah wraith figures (Wraith not included)
Klingon cloaking device (decloaked)
self-sealing stem bolt
More ships from 481 onwards:
mmmmh....
You know, just forget what I said about that stupid Intrepid above...
They have more than one "Antares-class" model?
brown
black
Jamaharon, baby!
When did we see a five-pip admiral?
Dyson Sphere surface (inside)
More ships from 694:
That is not K'ehleyr in there...
Y-Wing fighter
Pakled (a.k.a "How many triangular ships are there?")
Warbird. The original - not that ugly CGI duck
The Nash (NCC-2010-whatever)
Oberth - take a close look at the saucer registry
T'Pau
The mother of all spaceships...
Interior of Galileo/Copernicus
Where do they store this stuff? Looks like a treasure map
Klingon dictionaries
The Kolinahr necklace
And the final lot of ships (983):
Miranda class labeled as USS Saratoga (!?)
Regula 1 as..., well, Regula 1. What happend to Ross' starbase refit?
Cargo train without Bee
:'-(
and to complete the collection...

[ September 17, 2006, 10:33 AM: Message edited by: Mirror-Amasov ]
 

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Posted by Manticore (Member # 1227) on :
 
Okay, I have to find a way to pony up at least $30k for that beauty at the end!
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 

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Star Trek has droids now?

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I don't think that was a Tamarian ship. I think I see a Bajoran emblem on the nose. One of the fighters that shot at Dax & Kira during the Circle triptet maybe?

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The one labeled "Tamarian ship" is the Drayan shuttle from VOY "Innocence". The one labeled "Drayan shuttle" is in fact the Drayan mothership, which is the final incarnation of the vessel that began life as the Talarian observation craft and was then modified into the Tamarian ship, the Klaestron ship, and the T'lani ship.

So it's basically just a simple switcheroo with the titles. The descriptions are actually amazingly accurate and detailed - who wrote this stuff? Confess!

Timo Saloniemi
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
I sense an Okuda or two, myself...

Mark
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Does anyone think some sort of company will buy a lot of this stuff and maybe start an actual museum or something?? The friggin' original E-A, E-D, DS9, Voyager etc. etc.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
I'd be happy if most of these things went to private collection. Maybe they won't be seen by all, but they'll be kept safe from all who want to touch, fondle, taste...

Mark <--- knows a guy who once said he wanted to know what a set tasted like
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
A set of what?
 

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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
In this set of patches:
http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/search/LOTDETAIL.ASP?sid=&intObjectID=4779697
What's the top middle one from? I don't recognize it.

Same for the one on the right in the middle row of this set:
http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/search/LOTDETAIL.ASP?sid=&intObjectID=4779821

B.J.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
It says Cargo Service and Space Systems. Don't know what it is from though. I'm just guessing it's from the cargo-ship episode with Travis' family??
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
It says Cargo Service and Space Systems. Don't know what it is from though. I'm just guessing it's from the cargo-ship episode with Travis' family??
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
It says Cargo Service and Space Systems. Don't know what it is from though. I'm just guessing it's from the cargo-ship episode with Travis' family??
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Half of me is mortified that they're selling all these models(I'm not so bothered about boring things like the chair that crewman #6 sat on in "Spock's Brain"), the other half of me wishes they were selling more, such as the Wolf 359 ships, or more of the DS9 kitbashes. For many of these models these small pictures are the clearest shots we've ever seen of them.

The Drayan Shuttle was barely more than a blur in the episode, but here we get a nice crisp photo of it. And who knows, more photos might come from the auction itself in NY next month. I don't know much about how auctions work, but presumably they have each item on display as they go under the hammer so people can see clearly what they're buying?

The London display was a single room, and the pictures I took show pretty much everything that was interesting in there. Hopefully the NY display will offer more. And hopefully a Trek fan with a camera will be around to take pics.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mirror-Amasov:
Jump to lot 351 and continuing. BTW, 354 is not the Caretaker. It's that other one, right?

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They have more than one "Antares-class" model?
brown
black
http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/search/LOTDETAIL.ASP?sid=&intObjectID=4780097 [/URL]

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I was surprised by that as well. I think we already knew they had more than one, but not three. And the Pakled ship is a seperate lot. I always thought that had been converted to become one of the Bajoran transports, but it looks unchanged from its Palked appearence in the photo.
 

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Posted by Treknophile (Member # 1869) on :
 
They're selling the E-A.... F**K

It's official; Paramount has no sense of history. That model is without a doubt the finest example of modelmaking ever created. You could bring the camera an inch from the surface and it looked good.

Please, whoever buys it, cherish her. Hell, wait until the 50th Anniversary and sell it back to Paramount for 100 grand... that appears to be the way the accountants who run the studio operate. Myopic little shits.

No lie, people - I'm actually upset. My favorite starship.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
I'm sad that all the "hero" ships are being sold.
Like stated earlier, they should be in a museum. Maybe in the Smithsonian along with the TOS Enterprise. I'm really disappointed that DS9 and the Ent-A will be sold, they were some beautifully detailed models. Wish we could chip in and by one, at least.
 

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Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
 
It's just a disgrace!

How can they sell the actual filming models? It's not like they need storage space is it?

Or is it just intended as a big f**k-you to all the average fans - and by average I mean all of us who can't afford to "rescue" say the E-A by buying it for the 20-odd grand?
 

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
Uh, the three triangle ships are completely separate designs, not variants of a common hull. There's no way Paramount could have filmed all three using just one model.

The "black" one is the good old "Ensign Ro" vessel (which used to be Kivas Fajo's ship and the Husnock vessel at earlier points of her career), while the "brown" one is a custom design for DS9 and first appears in "Past Prologue" AFAIK. The Pakled one has always stayed the same, save for paint jobs or being filmed upside down - in DS9, she was a Rigelian vessel in "Vortex".

(Why does the third link go to Horgah'n statues? Was there some third model that got its lot number changed or what?)

Timo Saloniemi
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
I quoted the wrong link in Mirror Amisov's post, is all.

They're not selling these to spite fans. That's just silly. They're selling them to get money.

I'm in the process of archiving all the pics so we'll still have a record of them after the auction is over. Obviously the ship pics will be put on loads of sites anyway, but it's important to keep even the pics of the less interesting objects.
 

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Posted by Mirror-Amasov (Member # 742) on :
 
Maybe one of us should contact them, say he's interested in acquiring some of those models but likes to have some better, higher-res photos first. For possibly throwing ten-thousands of dollars at them you can expect a little service, can't you?
 

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
 
Whomever is closest to New York... they better take a lot of photos. I missed the exhibit here in Los Angeles already thanks to work. Fukcers!
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Problem is, it's been free to get into the auction houses, but from what I read on the christie's website, it'll cost $25 to get into the NY viewing. And that's if you don't buy the catalogue, which is an absurd price(�50 here in the UK). I wonder if anyone will go to that expense. Bloody well hope so.
 

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Posted by Manticore (Member # 1227) on :
 
I would, but my long weekend ends the day before the auction starts.
 

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
I think I may have missed out on an opportunity. I looked at the site, then asked my wife if I could have a thousand dollars. Later, when I was shutting my PC down just before we went to bed, she said she wanted to have a look at the website. Who knows, maybe I could have persuaded her to fund my acquisition of a phaser rifle. . .
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
There's always tomorrow.
 

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Tomorrow! Tomorrow! etc.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Hey lets all band together and by a Starship!! Charles could keep it or someone and train a web-cam on it!
 

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
And we could re-label it as the USS Basil. . .
 

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
As I was browsing through that list linked on page 2, one thought kept popping into my mind...

"They actually expect people to pay two hundred dollars for a self-sealing stem bolt prop?"

I thought that a lot of those estimated bids were way off... the little stuff seemed high, and the estimates for the hero ships seems quite low.

Ah well, I can't afford any of it anyway.
 

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
So, I finally took a bit of time and scanned through the entire list of all the lots. I was surprised at a bunch of the items... lots of "They kept those around?" moments. A lot of other "They expect people to pay money for that?" moments (like for Spock's headband from Star Trek IV). And a bunch of "That's all they expect to get for those?" moments... for example, I've got a feeling that Jeri Ryan's Borg costume will go for a LOT more than eight grand.

And I had a surprising realization... if I could pick any one single item to get, I'd probably pick the Klingon gavel from ST:VI. That would be a hell of a cool conversation piece.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Oh it's sad going through this list.

A few things:

1. I hope someone is retaining all the ship pics.
2. There are also nice pics of the phasers and the patches.
3. The pre-Voyager design!!! Finally after 11 years we can see what the saucer section was supposed to look like!! Here...


4. Here's that Mustard-coloured Admiral's uniform from "The Adversary" [DS9] (Although they say it's from Voyager:

Here...

5. The Fish things from the Promenade! Here... I've seen interviews and read interviews where a few of the cast mentioned these things. Nana Visitor just staring at them for ages during shot set-ups.

I felt sad at this one: It's the OPS TABLE!! They can't get rid of THAT!?!

They put This upside down in the picture.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Actually if I would get anything it would be this. Sums up one of the best episodes of Television or hours of film ever made.

These would be cool too: You could put the corridor in one of your doors and fool people!

Hey - we've never seen the model for Ty'gok'or before.

Of all the things to keep for 18 years!

Who really liked the skants!?! Might make an interesting fashion statement.

For those interested in changing Cardassian and Ferengi fashion trends.

Looks like the Romulans were using the TNG Romulan emblem back at the Khitomer talks: Here.
Ohhh someone buy the Ferengi Marauder so we can find out about all the moveable parts - the top, the 'pincers' the drop shuttle etc...

"They're carving us up like a roast!"

Again all the models should be in a museum (as well as the costumes - well everything really) - this is fantastic: Here.

I wonder what the starships are in front of the this Federation building ?

Interesting tid-bit from Kira's first season uniform: "Nana Visitor also has an asteroid named in her honor, 26733 Nanavisitor."

A final statement: All of this should be in a museum so EVERYONE can appreciate them and reminisce.

[ September 22, 2006, 06:39 AM: Message edited by: AndrewR ]
 

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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
Well this is a bit, um, different.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Yeah! I saw that - I was like WTF until I read the blurb thingie. Interesting!
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
OMG I never new - I was looking up about the nanavisitor asteroid on wikipedia and saw this:

"Visitor and Siddig divorced in 2001."

I never new that. Sucks for them. Did they remain friends?
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 

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And I had a surprising realization... if I could pick any one single item to get, I'd probably pick the Klingon gavel from ST:VI. That would be a hell of a cool conversation piece.

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OMG I never new - I was looking up about the nanavisitor asteroid on wikipedia and saw this:

"Visitor and Siddig divorced in 2001."

I never new that. Sucks for them. Did they remain friends?

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I never knew Siddig had a long ass name.
Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abderahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
We just call him "Abin" for short.


Anyone getting all these photos? I have a few but finding their master directory of images is....elusive.

OMG...that Borg Cube is almost in scale with the models I build.
AND I CAN AFFORD IT! assuming it's really going to go for only $!1500

Do they really think that Srak's Kir Shara will only fetch $150?
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Uh, Jason, I think those are the starting bids.

Some of them are still totally over valued though. I mean, there are so many needlessly expensive lots and there can't really be that many fans who are wealthy enough to throw $500 at a Flotter doll. You'd think anyone with loads of money would spend it on something snazzy, like one of the Enterprises. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a bunch of crap left over at the end that wouldn't sell.

Er, the Borg Cube won't be one of those though.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 

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Originally posted by Johnny:
Uh, Jason, I think those are the starting bids.

Some of them are still totally over valued though. I mean, there are so many needlessly expensive lots and there can't really be that many fans who are wealthy enough to throw $500 at a Flotter doll. You'd think anyone with loads of money would spend it on something snazzy, like one of the Enterprises. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a bunch of crap left over at the end that wouldn't sell.

Er, the Borg Cube won't be one of those though.

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Yeah, I know but still...

Some of their value estimates are silly- that lame-ass plastic visor Data used when dealing cards for example- $500!?
I doubt it.

Vorlon- incredible pics! You sir, rock.
Those Lakota close-ups really illustrate just how much larger the Excelsior class was intended to be- check out it's "B" deck- at the "official" size, that's got to be semi-submerged in the saucer's hull to work- ,aking those portholes about head-level. No where is this worse than in the scene with Chekov and Scotty looking out the damaged secondary hull of Enterprise B.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Very cool! Great to see more pics of the Ent-B/Lakota, the damaged Enterprise and the starfleet fighter. Are these all the items that were on display or were there any more?
 

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Posted by Mirror-Amasov (Member # 742) on :
 
What is this? pic What happened to the E's impulse engines? And what's that blue thing on her neck? I always assumed it was the rear torpedo launcher, but with that paintjob it looks like some sort of auxiliary impulse drive. (Makes sense since the main impulse drive is obviously missing. )
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
You know there's a chance (very small one), that I might be going to the public viewing either today or tomorrow.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Take some pics of the starfleet fighter if you bring a camera, I love that little ship. (pwease?)
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
I might be able to take pictures but there's some problems:

a. If I take pictures, it most likely be with a conventional camera not a digital one. If that's the case, I won't know how to get them on here.

b. I don't if they even allow cameras!

c. I might be able to take camera phone pics, but I'll have to find out how to transfer them to my computer. Also, they might be such high quality images.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Damn. I wish I could send you my Nikon D50
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mirror-Amasov:
What happened to the E's impulse engines?

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[QBAnd what's that blue thing on her neck? I always assumed it was the rear torpedo launcher, but with that paintjob it looks like some sort of auxiliary impulse drive.[/QB]

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Originally posted by AndrewR:
When is the actual auction and is anyone thinking of bidding?

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Originally posted by Mars Needs Women:
Unfortunately, I'll be using a conventional camera so I may not be able to post pics unless I come across a scanner one day(who knows, perhaps I will).

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Originally posted by Mark Nguyen:
And what happens to all the extremedly expensive items (i.e. ALL of them) when no one bids on them and they go unsold? Do they go back to storage? Decord Paramount studios? The rubbish tip?

Mark

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Ebay. No reserve, $1 starting bid.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mars Needs Women:
I touched the interior of an NX shuttlepod set and T'Pol's orange jumpsuit, but don't tell anyone!

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Did your family see you sniff her crotch or were to able to sneak away?
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
No, no they saw nothing, but I feel bad for the new owner of that jumpsuit.

"Hey, what's this semen doing on this jumpsuit!"
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
I imagine 7 of 9's costume comes with Brannon Braga's semen as a selling point...

Now let's never speak of this again.

It's a pity you weren't able to take photos(I suppose they realised a lot of pics were going online?) but at least you got to see it all.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
I know it was a shame. I was centimeters from DS9 and I actually got to peek underneath the Ambassador and the Enterprise D. Plus some guy I saw actually got to stand behind the Enterprise-E.
 

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Posted by bX (Member # 419) on :
 
I am late to the party, but those pics are cool, The Vorlon. Thanks!
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Are Ryan and Braga still together?
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Very much not.
 

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Posted by bX (Member # 419) on :
 
Sweet, I still have a shot...
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
You'll need one.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Wasn't she involved with some scumbag politician who tried to whore her out to potential voters?
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
That was her husband, I believe, the hilariously-named Jack Ryan.
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
A CNN story for those unfamiliar.
 

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
 
Yeah... Jeri is now dating a French chef and both co-own a restaurant on Melrose Ave in Los Angeles.
 

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
BBC Radio 2 had this on the news, they said the largest model of the Enterprise was bought by an anonymous bidder for �70,000. . . and had a soundbite from George Takei, essentially asking where the guy's going to have room to put it! I'm guessing they're talking about the movie-era one?
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
The largest would have been the E-D - I heard via someone that it was the Captain's Chair that went for 70K!?!
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
The movie era Enterprise-A was the biggest model there.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Was it bigger than 6ft?
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
OK at history.com there is a video - Okuda says it is 8-foot long.

Can anyone capture stills from that video - it shows some models close up - for instance the camera moves right up close to Ty'Go'Kor station. I.e. into one of it's shuttle bays. Plus there are a few other things.

They say that this stuff can be bought by the fans - yeah right. Your average fan isn't going to be able to just split with a cool 10 thou.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Linky, damn you!
LINKY!
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
No, I'm sure it's all being bought by people who. . .

No, sorry, I can't even come up with a sarcastic reply here. What villainous agency do you imagine is doing the purchasing?

Considering that lump sum of one or two million dollars donated to that Save Enterprise campaign of a few years ago, I'd say the sense/money ratio among fandom is quite capable of accomodating this.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
CNN reports the Voyager prop sold for a whopping $132,000.00 today- the highest selling thing in the auction thus far.

Geeez.

I mean, it's Voyager. I could build ya a model of that.

Maybe it was bought by an insane Jeri Ryan with intent of making really bad fan films with the ship doing barrell-rolls...
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
History.com - it's the streaming video on the front page. It'd be great if someone could capture it.

DS9 better go for $200,000 then. And then be donated to either a museum... or me!
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 

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Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
I mean, it's Voyager. I could build ya a model of that.

Maybe it was bought by an insane Jeri Ryan with intent of making really bad fan films with the ship doing barrell-rolls...

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She could well argue that we saw it do almost that in the series. Remember when Voyager flipped end on end before zooming off into warp? That was delightful.

I think Voyager will end up in the atrium of a multinational company that has nothing whatsoever to do with Star Trek, but wants to look "cool".
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
How depressing. Thing is - Model Voyager was only used up to second season - CGI Voyager was used afterwards.

Model DS9 and Enterprise-D was there the whole time.

Is the christies website going to show what each item went for??

Listening (alas I don't have the right media player) to the auction on history.com one communicator went for over $1000!!!!!

Some costume that went for like $2000 dollars was followed by a comment from the auctioneer along the lines of "Congratulations on your expensive halloween costume".
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
You know I just tried to watch the bidding online using Windows Media Player, but the framerate is so bad it looks like a slideshow. Anybody know how to fix this? I hate Windows Media Player.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Dear god, I'm listening to it(I get what is more or less a slide show as well, think it's probably a bandwidth thing), a 3D chess set started at $600 and went up to $11,000. The way the woman doing the auction is talking, she doesn't seem very professional. Something she just said "why waste time with the lower numbers, eh?"
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Shows how little they think of Trek...even though it's netting them a mint and tons of press.
Fuckos.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Yeah, some lady at the showing said that normally this stuff (referring to the props and models) would be thrown away, but lucky they managed to find people actually willing to buy it.
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
$576,000 for the 6.5-foot E-D
 

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
This is the end of Trek.

. . . Not because they're selling this stuff off, though: Anyone willing/stupid enough to part with this kind of money would presumably be enough of a fan to gladly lend back any props, costumes or models they'd bought, for filming purposes.

But the cost will be too high!

The cost, you ask? Didn't I say they'd lend it back? Well, yes, but what favour would be demanded in return? I think we all know. . .

The chance to appear onscreen, potentially in Starfleet uniform, as an extra at the very least (hell, some of the big spenders will probably want lines!). And given how, statistically, any average rabid Trek fan will be able to tick at least two of the boxes labelled "upholstered," "hirsute" and "bespectacled," you're going to end up with the crew of the Enterprise looking like the people of Springfield in that ep where everyone gets really fat and Marge gets sugar made illegal.

That's gonna be a dealbreaker. So, finito Treko, next Stargato.
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Shit, I might be able to act but I wouldn't want to be onscreen with any sort of speaking part. "Nameless Dead Guy #7" would be OK. And even then, I'd probably just want to the pal around the art department instead.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
First, this in now way signals the end of Trek.
It does signal the end of the 'ol "stolen/mis-placed" prop routine that led to us never seeing the Ambassador after Emissary and a likely goodbye to the eras of trek we've loved...it also means that starships will be only digital when seen again (no suprise there, just depressing).

I was pretty suprised at all the stuff not auctioned off though:
None of the BOBW or Excelsior study models.
Picard's chair from TNG (possibly auctioned off prior, I suppose).
None of the DS9 kitbashes (except the poor Yeager).
I was particularly suprised that the crashed "D" saucers were not sold.

That does not imply that we'll ever see any of these again, only that the paramount gang got to go through and save whatever was unlikely to be missed.
I'd love to see the Okuda's garage!

Hmmm....I bet a lot of stuff goes to the Star Trek experience in Las Vegas- might be worth another trip out there...
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Yes here is a link to an article about the E-D.

What did DS9 go for? It should be $1000000!!

A handful of dirt from the crash scene of the E-D in Generations would probably have gone for a shit load of money. Did anyone listen to the big items at history.com? I only listened to bits with low items which still went more than their asking price (I was following on the website with all the pictures). One communicator went for $1000+!!

Even the skants went for a lot!

What did the audience do when the E-D went for so much!?!

Actually - I was just thinking - the side of Paramount that are selling this stuff is different to the side of Paramount that runs the Las Vegas experience - isn't it? Do you think that they might be buying it for themselves!?!

Hmmm what other things didn't they auction that you think they would have??

The horse-shoe from the E-D?
Replicators?
Janeway's Chair?
Sisko's models and clock?
A Targ?
Korvan Gilvos?
Hyposprays?
Soran's phaser?
The Stargazer from Picard's ready room?
The 4 foot E-D?

Did they sell the Runabout!?!
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
One more thing - have a look at the picture gallery at the CNN link above.

Firstly - the E-D's portside bussard collector is missing.

Secondly - is the guy taking a home movie of the DS9 model anyone from here?

Thirdly - *60* filming models!?!

Finally - so the Ambassador Model is there and looks to be in good nick - why did they say for years that it was 'broken' and couldn't be used for filming!?!

Grr.

Andrew
 

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Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
 
Maybe something to do with the lighting or motion control was damaged.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
The Ambassador model is broken in some places. There's a big split in the wood around the shuttlebay, if you look at the pics I took of it. Perhaps it still could've been used, but maybe they were worried how it'd look if the director demanded an aft view?

It looks like they've taken down all the pics of the lots from their website. I only managed to save the first 200(of 1,000) and of course all the ship pics.

I'm also surprised that they didn't flog the Wolf 359 ships. Good on Okuda for keeping it, I'm sure I would in his position. There were also some other Trek models that I would have expected, or would have been nice to see. That Romulan shuttle from DS9 was a great design. And I know they made a model of the Holoship from Insurrection. Also, the Borg Queen's neck would've created a lot of interest, I think.
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
From IMDb:

Star Trek fans from around the world have spent more than $7 million snapping up memorabilia from the TV and movie franchise at a three-day New York City auction celebrating its 40th anniversary. The sci-fi sale concluded on Saturday with more than 1,000 lots, including costumes, models and props, going under the hammer at Christie's - with most items fetching far more than their estimated price. The highest value item was a model of the Starship Enterprise-D, which attracted a staggering winning bid of $576,000. It had been estimated to fetch just $25,000. A model of the Starship Enterprise-E sold for $132,000, and a Borg cube model from Star Trek: First Contact fetched $96,000. They were only expected to raise $8,000 and $1,000 respectively. Captain Jean-Luc Picard's chair sold for more than $62,000, while the auction's final lot, a model of the Starship Enterprise-A, fetched $284,000. John Wentworth, executive vice president of communication at CBS Paramount Television, says, "We were thrilled to be able to bring (fans) tangible, coveted pieces from our beloved Star Trek, and they now own Trek history and have made this auction a huge success."
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
From IMDb:

Star Trek fans from around the world have spent more than $7 million snapping up memorabilia from the TV and movie franchise at a three-day New York City auction celebrating its 40th anniversary. The sci-fi sale concluded on Saturday with more than 1,000 lots, including costumes, models and props, going under the hammer at Christie's - with most items fetching far more than their estimated price. The highest value item was a model of the Starship Enterprise-D, which attracted a staggering winning bid of $576,000. It had been estimated to fetch just $25,000. A model of the Starship Enterprise-E sold for $132,000, and a Borg cube model from Star Trek: First Contact fetched $96,000. They were only expected to raise $8,000 and $1,000 respectively. Captain Jean-Luc Picard's chair sold for more than $62,000, while the auction's final lot, a model of the Starship Enterprise-A, fetched $284,000. John Wentworth, executive vice president of communication at CBS Paramount Television, says, "We were thrilled to be able to bring (fans) tangible, coveted pieces from our beloved Star Trek, and they now own Trek history and have made this auction a huge success."
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
So Christies is no longer looking down their noses at the auction, I take it?

I knew that Borg Cube would go for some crazy cash but...damn.
 

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Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
 
"We were thrilled to be able to bring (fans) tangible, coveted pieces from our beloved Star Trek, and they now own Trek history and have made this auction a huge success."

Yes, I'm sure that was what thrilled them about this auction.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
~23x the asking price for the E-D! Wow.

NOW, the question is - where the majority of this stuff went!?!

The pictures will be in the catalogue - did anyone buy the catalogue?

Are they still showing the auction at history.com? I only got to HEAR a small amount of it - none of the 'big' items.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Found it! Here are the asking prices and selling prices of various items from the auction!

Some pictures are there too. Does anyone know if they dragged out each item when it was bid on?

DS9 went for $132,000 Should have gone for 10x that amount.

The Klingon Bird of Prey went for heaps!!

I feel sad that all these things are gone, and I'm quite amazed at some of the things they actually kept - McCoy's space suit from The Tholian Web!?!

Wow.
 

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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
Someone took about 224 hi-res up-close pictures of the E-A and E-D!
http://204.2.104.176/karl/christiesaucday01/index.htm
 

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Oh, Karl Tate, I know who he is. Makes props and stuff. Nearly bought a PPG off him.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Another model I would've expected them to sell, the Nebula class. They sold everything from the Ent-D to the Yeager, but not that.

That's probably a good thing.

Wow, those pics are great. The models look even better close up than I would've imagined.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
They also cover just about every angle from which we've seen the E-D, excpet directly above or below. Awesome stuff!

Mark
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Anyone got a rear-view of the Klingon station?
I dont think we've ever seen one.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Well noone has captured the video or stills from the video on the front page of history.com yet!?!

It is still there. I don't know how to do it - but it zooms right into the 'shuttle bay' of Ty'Gok'Or the Klingon Station - and close ups of other things - lots of fast editing.

How much did the Rom BOP go for and the Ferengi Marauder!?!

Oh and the E-A blankets from Star Trek VI?? I have ALWAYS thought they looked cool. Didn't realise they were brown - they looked white in the movie. Unless they were the ones on the beds not the ones they wrap around Kirk and McCoy after coming back from Rurapenthe?

Bugger they are re-showing the auction on history.com but it's from 12am to 8am my time
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Hey in this picture what possibly are those regular windows in a straight line under the impulse engine and are those two minor shuttle bays further down?

Oh and are those two unpainted escape pods next to the left shuttle bay?
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Ohhhh and in this picture you can see all the flags from TUC/Khitomer!?!?!?! I presume - no 'Earth' flag like some have picked out. There is a Triskelion flag - are they ACTUALLY from TUC?? What are those other flags??
 

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Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
 
Well I'm guessing that the Terran Empire wouldn't have sent a deligate. I think that they are just every flag they could find in the warehouse. Still, I'd love to know what all of them are.

Triskelion and the empire are the only ones i can regognise on the right side though. Are the ones under the vulcan flags meant to be federation?
 

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Posted by Kobi (Member # 1360) on :
 
I think only the flags on the left side were used at Khitomer, the right ones are from "In a Mirror Darkly", at least the top ones (left bears the same insignia as the "Encounter at Farpoint" soldiers from 2079).
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
So the model of the E-D shown there separates. I see it is strong enough to hold up the entire saucer section from the engineering section. How did they separate the two for filming? secret button?
 

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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
Karl Tate has uploaded some more pictures, this time of the rest of the auction. He's also provided an easy download link to zip files of all the photos. Be warned, though, that the downloads will take a *long* time, even on a high speed connection. Probably a restrictor of some sort on his end.
http://204.2.104.176/karl/
The two files are 39Mb and 89Mb.
 

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Cool. I really must find out if anyone I know splashed out on a phaser rifle. Knowing that lot, probably several.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Oh, that's bloody awesome. Anyone can make a perfect Lakota / E-B CGI model now.

I can't remember if we concluded what that large chunk of Enterprise was - the one with just the Enterprise neck and top of the secondary hull? The only thing I can think of is the one shot of the big E easing into her slip at spacedock in ST3; we see bascially just the neck going by as Rand shakes her head.

However, that's a little wierd as the right side of the model is completed, and in a huge amount of detail too - you can see the decks within, with doors and everything! Man, they knew how to make 'em before the computer.

Mark
 

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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
I thought that was used for the detail shots of the Enterprise getting fired on by Khan.

But I do love the detail in that section! There's a whole load of extra detail there, including a lot of signage.
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mark Nguyen:
Oh, that's bloody awesome. Anyone can make a perfect Lakota / E-B CGI model now.


Mark

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Already done, mate.

M
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
What was the oversized top of the Defiant used for??

Can anyone see a close up of the Romulan Warbird of Ferengi Marauder in those photos?
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Found the Warbird:

The Starboard nacelle is broken. Also on that page are lots of pictues of a smaller Enterprise - what was that used for?
 

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Posted by The Vorlon (Member # 52) on :
 
Mattc: Proof is in the pudding. Got some pics?
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
There is also a graphic in this desktop monitor - if you can work it out - it looks like a path home across the Galaxy for the Voyager.

http://204.2.104.176/karl/christiesSDCC06pix/pages/DSC03669.htm
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
So can someone explain what the nose-cone of the Pakled ship is about? I've always noticed it but thought it may have been a swivel-nose - it always seems to be in that position though. Why is it directed up? What is it's function?

Also - any takers on what part of the Pakled ship is Jaradan?

Here's a closeup: http://204.2.104.176/karl/christies06/pages/DSC06451.htm
 

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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 

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Originally posted by AndrewR:
What was the oversized top of the Defiant used for??

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Originally posted by The Vorlon:
You know, it's too bad that no one seems to have taken a detail photo study of the E-E model

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Don't need it.
 

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Posted by The Vorlon (Member # 52) on :
 
Mattc: What's with these little quips you keep making? You going to share what you have or what? If you're not, then stop bragging about it.
 

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
 
That desktop computer most likely is Janeway's Ready Room in ST: Voyager.
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 

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Originally posted by The Vorlon:
Mattc: What's with these little quips you keep making? You going to share what you have or what? If you're not, then stop bragging about it.

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http://sovereignreplicas.com/fxsove2.jpg
http://sovereignreplicas.com/fxsove3.jpg
http://sovereignreplicas.com/fxsove4.jpg


Woot.

As for photo studies of the model. welp the physical model, the CG versions from Insurrection and Nemesis are all quite different.

The model above is identical to the DD CGI model in every way.

M.
 

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Posted by Kobi (Member # 1360) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mikey T:
That desktop computer most likely is Janeway's Ready Room in ST: Voyager.

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quote:

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Originally posted by The Vorlon:
You know, it's too bad that no one seems to have taken a detail photo study of the E-E model like they have with the E-Dead, E-A, E-B, E-C, E-D, Defiant, etc... I'd also like to see the FC Borg Cube, the Dominion Ships, and more of the Negh-Var.

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I want to see detailed photos of the models for the Jemmie Bug, the Jemmie cruiser (if there ever was one) the Hideki (did that get auctioned?) and the Ferengi Marauder.

Who BOUGHT them!?! You think the people that made the models would have fully... documented the finished product??
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 

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Originally posted by MattC:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Vorlon:
[qb]
As for photo studies of the model. welp the physical model, the CG versions from Insurrection and Nemesis are all quite different.

The model above is identical to the DD CGI model in every way.

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quote:

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Originally posted by MattC:

quote:

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Originally posted by The Vorlon:
Mattc: What's with these little quips you keep making? You going to share what you have or what? If you're not, then stop bragging about it.

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http://sovereignreplicas.com/fxsove2.jpg
http://sovereignreplicas.com/fxsove3.jpg
http://sovereignreplicas.com/fxsove4.jpg


Woot.

As for photo studies of the model. welp the physical model, the CG versions from Insurrection and Nemesis are all quite different.

The model above is identical to the DD CGI model in every way.

M.

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quote:

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Originally posted by MattC:

quote:

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Originally posted by The Vorlon:
Mattc: What's with these little quips you keep making? You going to share what you have or what? If you're not, then stop bragging about it.

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http://sovereignreplicas.com/fxsove2.jpg
http://sovereignreplicas.com/fxsove3.jpg
http://sovereignreplicas.com/fxsove4.jpg


Woot.

As for photo studies of the model. welp the physical model, the CG versions from Insurrection and Nemesis are all quite different.

The model above is identical to the DD CGI model in every way.

M.

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Originally posted by Mars Needs Women:

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Originally posted by MattC:

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Originally posted by The Vorlon:
Mattc: What's with these little quips you keep making? You going to share what you have or what? If you're not, then stop bragging about it.

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http://sovereignreplicas.com/fxsove2.jpg
http://sovereignreplicas.com/fxsove3.jpg
http://sovereignreplicas.com/fxsove4.jpg


Woot.

As for photo studies of the model. welp the physical model, the CG versions from Insurrection and Nemesis are all quite different.

The model above is identical to the DD CGI model in every way.

M.

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Isn't that the Bandai Enterprise-E model with snap together pieces. I wanted one but I heard its a bitch to make.

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Originally posted by AndrewR:

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Originally posted by MattC:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Vorlon:
[qb]
As for photo studies of the model. welp the physical model, the CG versions from Insurrection and Nemesis are all quite different.

The model above is identical to the DD CGI model in every way.

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Including the fake looking panelling and hideous grey colour on the nacelles?

Never did like the aztec pattern for the E-E - especially on top with those little greebly-type panels.

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Originally posted by Dat:

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Originally posted by MattC:

quote:

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Originally posted by The Vorlon:
Mattc: What's with these little quips you keep making? You going to share what you have or what? If you're not, then stop bragging about it.

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http://sovereignreplicas.com/fxsove2.jpg
http://sovereignreplicas.com/fxsove3.jpg
http://sovereignreplicas.com/fxsove4.jpg


Woot.

As for photo studies of the model. welp the physical model, the CG versions from Insurrection and Nemesis are all quite different.

The model above is identical to the DD CGI model in every way.

M.

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I'm not so sure it is. I don't think I've spotted the forward torpedo launcher on the upper saucer.

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Richard hadn't stuck it on yet in those photos. That particular piece is a resin piece (along with the phaser turrets, captains Yacht,etc.

Trust me, I went over it with a fine toothed comb looking for anything that Richard (who build the master)or I missed during construction.

M.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
And the selling continues...

IT'sAWrap Hollywood is selling what could be described as Star Trek tat. There are some gems, but it's mostly the last dregs of memorabilia that can be sold.

This week, in the eBay auction is this weird Miranda kitbash that was apparently going to be used as set dressing, but never was. The bronze colour that it's painted in reminds me of that Constitution Refit with the nacelles that were turned 90 degrees in some early TNG eps, so maybe it was made around the same time.

There's also a blown up Vor'cha model. Might be from that DS9 ep when one struck a mine.

Elsewhere in the "my God, they're actually selling that?" department, is a piece of Enterprise-D carpet and a roll of black material that they don't know when it was used or how big it is exactly.

Still, this is worth keeping an eye on, something interesting might turn up. On their actual website they're selling the Jem Hadar Attack Ship model.
 

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
All they did was glue two nacelles onto the phaser cannons on the rollbar. If I had to guess, I'd say that it was supposed to be a "prototype" for the Stargazer tabletop model in Picard's ready room.

Johnny: You're confusing the Connie with the turned nacelles with the bronze Connie that replaced the Stargazer model in the ready room in "The Battle" when TPTB wanted to use the movie Enterprise as the Stargazer to save money.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
No, a Stargazer proto wouldn't be possible, as I'm pretty sure AMT wasn't cranking out the Reliant models until after TNG made Trek popular again. I'm willing to bet that the bronze ship was going to be set dressing on a DS9 or Voyager episode that featured a flag officer or ready room or Starfleet Command or something.

Mark
 

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
That Vor'cha doesn't look like it's the one from "Sons of Mogh," that one just had a single big crater in the hull. My guess is it's either from "Way of the Warrior" or "Tears of the Prophets" � probably the latter, 'cause that's when all the Klingon ships got torn to shreds by the Jem'Hadar kamikaze runs.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Pretty sure everything was CGI by that point, though... WotW sounds like the best bet, since the DS9 Companion book establishes most of the ships in that battle to be practical models - and that the model builders really loved building all those models, only to blow them up with pyrotechnics.

Mark
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
The destroyed VorCha is one of several Playmates toys blown up in WOTW (so as not to harm the fliming model).

Speaking of Klingon models that sold...
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Wow - I'm surprised they painted the damn thing GREEN from the original orange! They should have been able to simply tint the original's color in post production, no?

Mark
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
So that is the whereabouts of one of the models - I wonder what happened to the others?
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
This miner's costume from an Enterprise episode has an Ent-A deflector dish and sensor dome. Doesn't seem to have kept the dust off of him.

http://cgi.ebay.com/STAR-TREK-ENT-MINE-GUARD-THE-XINDI-COSTUME...
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Cool- the Miradorn model has four 1:2500th scale TOS Enterprise nacelle caps on it as greebles.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Another interesting item, the LCARS display showing a cutaway of a starbase. Unfortunately the picture's pretty small, so it was easier to make out in the episode. Hopefully whoever's buying it is a starship freak.

http://cgi.ebay.com/STAR-TREK-III-STARBASE-LCARS-PANEL_W0QQitemZ140114909588QQihZ004QQcategoryZ60360QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 

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Originally posted by Johnny:
This miner's costume from an Enterprise episode has an Ent-A deflector dish and sensor dome. Doesn't seem to have kept the dust off of him.

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Looks like an Ambassador Class deflector on there too.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Two more things people might find of interest:

Yellow Starfleet flag from Enterprise

LCARS display from DS9 with the sideviews of enemy ships
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
I can see those DS9 displays have images taken from the DS9 Tech Manual, or is that vice-versa.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
This one is a real eye-opener!!

Could this one solve a mystery in Star Trek VI?

If we can tell which of these attendees to the Khitomer conference were wearing this - we can work out what the Romulan Flag there is. (There was a thread about the symbols at the Khitomer conference a long time ago).

Actually - weren't there also Romulans, then at the Enterprise Crew hearing in Star Trek IV? They were the ones agreeing with the Klingon Ambassador re: Kirk... I always thought it was weird that some Vulcans were agreeing with the Ambassador about Kirk - and I DID assume that they were Romulans - weren't they wearing something similar to this - the hats ring a bell.

What is this design!?!

What is this design? Some uniforms from the first movie have a round patch with the solar system and Earth in blue on them... (You can see it here) what is this supposed to be depicting? Maybe (Was it Reverend?) would like to do a new drawing of it!?!

Finally this is from a Female Vulcan in TMP but is sort of similar in design to the 'Romulan' costume from Star Trek VI.
 

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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 

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This one is a real eye-opener!!

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Whoa! Finally, something I haven't seen before! Do we know where in the movie this is seen (or if it can be seen)?

Interesting that they dropped a digit from Excelsior's registry. NX-2000 -> NX200
So could we speculate that the blue ship labeled as NC177, which looks a lot like a refit Constitution, is actually NCC-1707?

The white ships are different from Excelsior and the blue one. Actually, the larger one looks like it could possibly be a pre-refit Constitution. The other smaller ones (three of presumably the same class) are something new, as they don't match any existing plan view.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
I'd guess the smaller ones are Mirandas or maybe even Oberths. They were both seen in Spacedock during the movie, but the graphics are quite simple, so we can't really be sure.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Looks home-made to me.
I can print the same kind of backlight film at mt work.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Didn't Mike Okuda first work on ST:IV? Would this be some of his earliest work!?!

Can anyone try and get them to make a closer photo of the other space-dock control panel - it has another schematic on it of the insides - it's linked further up the thread. I e-mailed them to see if they would - I never got a response.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Well they've sold it now, though they would have the original photos, which are huge(they've accidentally posted 1500 pixel wide pictures before), but I very much doubt they'd offer them to you. Like I said in that post, you actually get a better view of the Starbase side view display in the episode(the one with the binary aliens, I think).
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
New stuff is out - I SO don't know why they didn't have some huge Star Trek museum... HOW ANNOYING - just costume after costume after set piece after set piece - I would DEFINATELY go to one of them. Money-hungry gits.

Anyway check out the 'verteron node' - http://cgi.ebay.com/STAR-TREK-DS9-VERTERON-NODE_W0QQitemZ140122195581QQihZ004QQcategoryZ60360QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

They made NO sense in that episode "playing god" [ds9]

It also looks like a wart! GAH!

Also I e-mailed them to enquire about shipping for a number of items last week - not one e-mail was replied to - is that against e-bay rules?

When Paris and Janeway had sex!

It's the Human/Salamander
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
The DS9 Ops model is also quite cool. You see these proof of concept models in all the books, but there are photos from every angle here.

There's also the Egg probe, which wasn't from a terribly important episode, but it's interesting to see it up close.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
I just noticed a concept model of the Son'a Collector Ship.

New stuff will be up later, hopefully some more interesting bits and pieces.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Where was all this stuff during the auction?
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
They sold thousands of things in that auction and probably thought they got all the good stuff. Selling all this as well might've just been too much.

Having said that, there's a lot of good costume stuff this week. They've gone Mirror Universe crazy, with practically all the Terran Empire rank insignias(for those people who do illustrations of logos and such) plus one of those cool EV suits from Enterprise and Tuvok's Kal'Toh game.
 

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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
This one is just funny!
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
How much did the salamander end up going for?

That episode was SO silly - I can't remember - did they end up explaining how they 'de-evolved' Janeway and Paris - or what happened to their 'children'?
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
I've no idea what the salamander went for, I don't pay much attention to the prices, but one might expect them to be falling now. Surely anyone who can afford to spend $500+ on an item that was a blur past the camera for 3 seconds in The Final Frontier has already bought something?

Anyway, more interesting things this week.

There's the Starbase 375 docking bay, which you'll notice is covered in at least two Maquis Raider models and a Runabout.

The smashed Ent-D model from the Ent-E's observation lounge. Turns out to be the ERTL model painted gold, rather than a custom model.

A panel from the Orpheus Mining Corp with the patch logo on it, stating that it was established in 2090.

Porthos's bulletin board, including some interesting ideas for his new kennel.

Part of the V'Ger model with an amazing number of fibre optic lights, many of which still work.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 

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Originally posted by Johnny:
I've no idea what the salamander went for,

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[QUOTE]What does it say in red writing on the cartoon to the top left of Porthos' pin-up board? It's written below the "BARK BARK BARK" writing.

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"I LOVE SPRING ON RISA!"
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
I think he means the red writing on the same cartoon.

After a little manipulation of the color levels, it appears to say "No Vulcan mice!!". I don't get it.
 

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
The n almost looks like a y in your 'vulcan' to me, it doesn't look like the other n's. The n in no and on stand out far better.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
This week we've got Archer's model spaceship from Broken Bow. The odd thing is that one of these was in the Christie's auction and comparing the photos, they're virtually identical. The only difference I can see is that the one from the Christie's auction had a black window frame. Maybe it didn't sell and got passed onto It's A Wrap?

There's a MACO patch, which might be helpful reference for somebody.

One of those phaser power cells that they ceremoniously stacked up on the Defiant in the war arc.

An Andorian communicator. Pretty basic, kinda looks like a cross between a computer mouse and a telephone receiver. Maybe it is...

A Cardy shatter design LCARS panel. Not particularly remarkable, but maybe the sort of thing you'd nick from the set on the last day of filming.

Mayweather's bulletin board, for anyone who wondered what he did during all that time he wasn't involved in the exciting week-to-week activities. There's a star chart that's nigh impossible to make out and a CGI pic of a shuttlepod that's unfortunately covered up.

That's it really, aside from the usual array of PADDS and costumes.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Not much of interest last week, but there was:

Klingon ship hull used in close ups in "A Matter of Honor".

Force field generator from Enterprise with Uhura's wotsits.

Starship list PADD from TNG.

Sisko's carry bag which I always thought was kinda nifty.

A Starfleet file with a closeup of the mission control badge.

Kirk's spacesuit

Ten Forward lounge's doors... next week, the kitchen sink.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Last week there wasn't much besides an Exocomp and a foam model of the Romulan Senate. This week, there's the giant Negh'Var model used in the MU battle with the Defiant.

A set of Breen armour which may interest some.

And scale drawings of the NX-01 bridge set.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
So only the underside of the MU Negh'Var existed as a physical model?
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Well I just read the caption for the item and it claims they used a 30-foot model in the MU scene, while this one's only seven foot. I'm not so sure about that. 30 feet is huge.. and there was definitely a fully detailed Negh'Var model, so why else would this one have been built?

I'm sure it actually is the model from the Defiant/MU Negh'Var battle, which only required an underside.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
There WERE dorsal shots of the Negh'Var at warp, but they could have easily used the existing model for that. The larger ventral shots would certainly have required the larger model for the additional detail. I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned in the DS9 Companion...

Mark
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Last week's odds and ends...

The well known Andy Probert painting from the Ent-D's sickbay.

Starship debris which I think we saw twice, once as Neelix's debris field and another time in WotW as the Cardassian ships destroyed by the Klingon invasion. You can pick out a Connie/Miranda class nacelle and nacelle pylon, Galaxy neck and some bits that look Klingon.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
You know that wreckage might have been on display at the Hayden Planetarium before its renovation, but I can't be sure.
 

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
Johnny, thanks for keeping tabs on this stuff for us.

Although I can see the obvious Reliant nacelle and pylon, and the Klingon wreckage, the fourth object looks nothing like a Galaxy class starship neck. Or am I not seeing it clearly?

I wonder...is this wreckage really from the scenes from Neelix's debris field and in WotW as the Cardassian ships destroyed by the Klingon invasion? If so, that's highly unusual wreckage, since it's Starfleet and Klingon. Perhaps this is actually from the unused Wolf 359 footage from "Emissary"?
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
No problem, I look at the auctions each week anyway, so I might as well post anything I spot that might interest people.

I couldn't figure it out right away when I read the caption, but the galaxy neck is upside down with some random brown objects stuck to it. You can see the windows and forward torpedo launcher in the fourth picture on the right hand side.

I wasn't totally sure about the appearances of the debris, but I checked and Ex Astris has pics. You can make out the nacelle in the top right hand corner, though I can't see any of the other bits from the auction pics. Maybe they were used in other battle scenes like you suggest?

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/props/debris-neelix-caretaker2.jpg
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/props/debris-cardassian-wayofthewarrior.jpg
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
The "debris" is also the USS Olympia from THe Sound of Her Voice- I just watched that episode last night and happened to freeze-frame that shot to see what was there.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Well, the nacelle, maybe. None of the other stuff was there. The half-destroyed saucer of the refit Enterprise from STIII was there, though, and at least one other bit of wreckage that doesn't seem to match anything in the ebay pics.

[ August 04, 2007, 10:45 AM: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
The Ten-Forward doors!?! They would be awesome to have. They were also used as the Doors to the Federation President in TUC. I think they might have also been doors from STC in the episode "Conspiracy".
 

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
 
And I had thought the Ten-Forward doors were repainted and redressed to be the Mess Hall doors on Voyager.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
There weren't many interesting items this week, but I just noticed this modified Exocomp from Enterprise has the head section of a D7(see last photo) stuck to it and possibly some of Uhura's earpieces?

Other bits and pieces:

An Andorian campaign map

Insurrection shuttle panel, not that it gives any new detais.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
NX-02 Columbia's dedication plaque
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Black poster board. Huh.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
It seems this may be a mock-up of the graphic or something, as the description does say it "resembles" the one from the bridge set...
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Maybe they just didn't bother making a detailed one this time since it wouldn't be seen clearly? You probably can't tell the difference from a few feet away.

This week, buy PORTHOS!
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Oooo...great gift for PETA lovers.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
The doctor warned him about all that cheese...
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
I get the feeling they're coming to the end of these auctions. It's hard to tell, but they're selling lots of things now that they couldn't get rid of before, so maybe they're running out of new stuff. I still hold out hope that we'll see a previously unknown study model or something though.

This week there's:

A Pralor Unit, but it has holes drilled in the eyes. I wonder how the actors in the episodes were able to see?

James Cromwell's Yridian mask, I didn't realise they had those huge long fingers.

A starship display panel. The caption says it's probably from the world tour, but it looks to me like the one that was up in the Species 8472 recreation of the Starfleet officer's bar.

And how about a Graduation Certificate from Starfleet Academy? Signed by Starfleet's interior designer, Herman Zimmerman.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Wasn't that starship panel from "Living Witness"?
 

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
That's wierd that they stuck in the Norway class with the Galaxy, Excelsior, and Connie displays. I mean it's not like it was the most popular design, or was actually seen more than once.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
The starship display, as Johnny correctly thought, is from "In The Flesh" (VGR) and was on display in the SFA mess hall. Incidentally, I think it's the only onscreen source of the name "Norway class."
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
There hasn't been much of interest lately apart from some shuttle set schematics that would've come in handy for modelers. One of the first things I'd seriously consider buying if I had the dough.

This week there's..

An Hirogen suit, which is pretty cool since it includes the make-up prosthetics.

The Zephram Cochrane pointing-to-the-future figure that ended up being used as a weapon. I reckon it's the action figure.

Astrometrics lab blueprints and model. These models are usually more detailed, but they're an interesting insight into how a tv show is produced.. god I sound like a catalogue. Also useful reference for 3D modelers.

A black tricorder? I didn't know they had these.

Some Borg skulls. Detailed with a CD marker pen or something. It's funny how these things look so much more real on tv.

The Dori Homeworld in stock now!
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 

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That's wierd that they stuck in the Norway class with the Galaxy, Excelsior, and Connie displays. I mean it's not like it was the most popular design, or was actually seen more than once.

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That Bothan/Serosian could have passed for a Romulan ship.

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That's exactly what I thought when I first saw it in the episode it was featured in... the one with the psychotic hologram. And now, seeing it in detail, I see that it could have passed for a Klingon ship as well.

I actually like this model because of that.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
I especially like sphere located at the end. It reminds me of that photo of the Early Romulan Warship from the Star Trek Chronology.
 

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
Actually, I thought the sphere was the bridge, and the window-looking thing at the other end was a rear observation port.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Yeah the sphere seems to be the bridge.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
I'm not positive, but wasn't this one of those cases where the "front" became the "back" in the second appearance? The sphere looks like it's intended to be the bridge, but wasn't the windowed end the control section in the episode with the psycho hologram? That's where most of the episode took place, iirc.

Oh anf FYI, the auctions are apparently going to continue till February next year, so hopefully there'll be a lot more of interest in store. The costumes and props are all very well, but it's the up close and personal photoshoots with the models that interest me. (I managed to make that sound a bit perverted, didn't I? )
 

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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
Can anyone tell if that ship was an original build, or was it a reused model that they updated?
 

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
I believe that its first appearance was as the Sikarian ship in that early Voyager episode about the space-folding tech that they wanted to trade for stories. In that ep, the "observation window" was definitely the front of the ship, and it had more wing-type doodads attached to it.

However, these pictures on eBay strongly remind me of a newer version of the BoP, what with the spherical bridge, forward-swept wings and the olive green paint. But it could just as easily have been an older Romulan warbird too.
 

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
Definitely the Sikarian ship, from "Prime Factors". Good spotting!

...It's just upside down, backside front, and with dorsal, ventral and lateral elements removed, paint job redone, and lighting scheme altered. It's curious that they ever bothered with all that. (For "Persistence of Vision", I mean - the ship was revamped just for a couple of very distant shots, not for a close-up role like that in the later "Revulsion".)

Timo Saloniemi
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
This week there are DS9's weapon upgrades.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
The Jem Hadar installation blown up in A Time to Stand.

Some sections of the Remler Array model.

Storyboards from TMP showing how they used plasticine models as stand-ins.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
The WERE Deltan:

From Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

And Some Orion writing on this PADD

I've always liked this prop - and it would be handy in the mornings - especially after a night on the town!

Coritcal Stimulator

I've never thought of it before - but the TOS movie uniform undershirts look like the TOS TV Series (when not worn with jackets) See here.

Tal Shiar uniform. You all realise that today (the 3rd) is my Birthday, right?
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
I always thought it was silly that the "new" Romulan uniforms had FOUR Romulan emblems on it. They had 'em on the back, too.

Mark
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
We're finally getting to see a lot more of the models, which I was starting to think they weren't going to be selling.

Earth Station McKinley. I thought there was more to the top of it than that, but maybe we never even saw it. I might just be thinking of fan models. It's not in a great state, but it's nice to get a closer look.

Utopia Planitia's ground base. We saw some close ups of these on one of the TNG DVDs.

Another Spacedock LCARS screen. Doesn't tell us anything new, apart from the fact that Starfleet didn't update all their interfaces in the TNG era.

Picard has a really weird teapot.

One of Data's mighty morphing emotion chips.

Ouch, you think he wants these back?

A series of concept sketches, including one showing some shuttlecraft that look similar to the TFF/Gen shuttle, but more sleek.

The Bajoran rank pins.

Concepts for the Khitomer conference including another interesting shuttle design(probably Klingon?).
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Did you see that one design that looked like an oberth, but sleeker. I'm calling it the Oberth MK.II. Somebody make a model of it right NOW! That and the other ship with the delta shaped hull.
 

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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
I've seen that Oberth-like ship before as one of the early Voyager concepts. But that Klingon shuttle really interests me! I've never seen any shuttle designs for them before. Any idea who drew this (perhaps Sternbach)?

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I just noticed the Starfleet/Klingon logos underneath each of the shuttles, so that far design is definitely supposed to be Klingon.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Yep, that Klingon shuttle looks like something you'd see in the TNG era, and yet it would have appeared in a TMP movie.
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 

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Originally posted by B.J.:
I've seen that Oberth-like ship before as one of the early Voyager concepts. But that Klingon shuttle really interests me! I've never seen any shuttle designs for them before. Any idea who drew this (perhaps Sternbach)?

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I just noticed the Starfleet/Klingon logos underneath each of the shuttles, so that far design is definitely supposed to be Klingon.

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Actually, all these drawings have the very distinct look of Jim Martin about them
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
There's a concurrent ebay auction going on on Friday with stuff from those Profiles in History people.

On the snazzy starship models front, there's a workbee model and the Angosian ship. The blurb claims that the workbee is "a particularly fine example", but it actually looks like quite a basic background model, rather than the really detailed one that there are pictures of on various sites. Interesting to see the Angosian ship up close, though.
 

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
So the Angosian ship and the Straleb ship are the exact same model, only the Angosian ship is gray and the Straleb ship is yellow.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Looks like the Angosian ship was maybe modified into the Flaxian ship at some point.
 

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Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
 
Hey Dukhat, is a spoiler for a tag line really necessary?


(If it is in fact true)
 

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
Edited.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
It isn't true, anyway.
 

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Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
 
Well, thanks, regardless.

But I'm curious, what's the reasoning behind the "high-up, trusted source of information?" You're not working on the film are you?
 

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
Although I don't post at the TrekBBS, I do occasionally read their posts for the new Trek movie. Lately, there have been a lot of rumors and downright falsehoods, including one rumor that Romulans would use the Guardian of Forever to travel back in time to the 23rd century (because I guess it's better than the 24th...), and future Spock knew the timeline was changed because, lo and behold, there was future old Kirk alive & well in the 24th century.

Apparently the guy who started this rumor revealed later that it wasn't true, but not before other websites were posting his bogus info as truth and calling him a "high-up, trusted source of information."

So...I changed my signature about a month ago, declaring that "The Enterprise-F will appear in the new movie," a blatant falsehood on my part just to see if anyone would notice it. No one did (except for you, of course. What took you so long? ) Hence my new signature.

So no, I'm not working on the film. Just goes to show that you should never, ever believe anything on the internet.
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
I noticed it & chuckled.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Among some interesting concept sketches from Homefront there's a John Eaves design that has similarities to the Nebula and Akira classes. Perhaps an idea for the Lakota?

Oh and there's an Andorian's head.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 

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Originally posted by Johnny:
A series of concept sketches, including one showing some shuttlecraft that look similar to the TFF/Gen shuttle, but more sleek.

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quote:

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[I have] Information about the Founders... I know how many of them are in the Alpha Quadrant... where they are... and what they're doing.

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quote:

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Originally posted by MinutiaeMan:
Except that the whole point of that episode was that the informant was offering some major, major intelligence about the Dominion. From the script:

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[I have] Information about the Founders... I know how many of them are in the Alpha Quadrant... where they are... and what they're doing.

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In contrast, suffering 50% casualties on the two-person extraction team would be a very small price to pay. Picard, for example, would never have approved of Worf's decision;

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Riiiight- the same bozo that sent almost his entire ship's compliment into unknown Borg-controlled territory in search of one officer that all evidence showed had defected anyway.

Trek often has had situations wherein a hero-character did assinine things which could have led to disastter for the Federation with no lasting consequences.

DS9 was a gem in showing that mistakes or lapses in judgment (no matter how stressful the situation) sometimes get people killed.
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
More to the point, I doubt Picard would pair up a married couple on that kind of mission. To my mind the error in judgement was really Sisko's, not Worf's.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
This week there are those freaky big heads from the Federation council.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
I believe they are from the Anime Planet
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Ahhh, the Arcadans.
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Ahhh, the Arcadans.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
In a weird way I'd love to have them... I was always fascinated by those aliens, even before I was a Trek fan and I was watching "The Voyage Home".
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
I think they're among the lamest designs for aliens in Star Trek, which is a pity since there are some fantastic puppets that got much less prominence in the council chambers scene. I don't think they'd even look convincing if they were done in CGI with moving facial expressions and such, they'd still look totally out of proportion.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
I know - but that's what has made them bizarrely fascinating...
 

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
I saw this at Hobby Talk. At the Resin Illunimati forum are links to several hundred MBs worth of photos of the K'Tinga model.
http://www.resinilluminati.com/showthread.php?t=903
 

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
 
Wow. These pictures reveal even the smallest details. The golden (or rather brass) stuff is what they purportedly added for "Star Trek VI".
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
I wonder, is anyone in the US going to be visiting The Star Trek Tour? From what I can tell it looks like they've taken the Star Trek Adventure world tour that they did a few years ago with the same exhibits and rides and rearranged it while adding a couple of new elements.

Anyway, I know that the Constellation and Nebula models will be displayed as well as the Negh'Var and most of the Starfleet shuttle models. There should be some interesting photos of those once the tour's visited a few cities.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Well it looks like some people have been taking close ups of the models already and there are some great reference images turning up on flickr

Nebula
http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2211636282&context=set-72157603770894896&size=l

Speedboat shuttle
http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2211631540&context=set-72157603770894896&size=l

Ent-D crash landing saucer
http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2210834883&context=set-72157603770894896&size=l
 

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
 
So, they only labeled the nacelle pylons and the lower saucer as the Leeds. I'm now more inclined to say the Nebula in FC was the Leeds and not Endeavour or Lexington.

They bothered to rename the shuttle from Cochrane to Harris?

And they even did the shattered glass dome on the bridge of the E-D's saucer!
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
This is why I like the auctions, we get to see pics of the Ent-D main shuttlebay model from Cause and Effect.

Shame they don't have any of those cool dinky models of the shuttles though.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
You got the set, but you don't got the ships. What kind store doesn't sell the ships! You never have the ships!
 

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Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
 
Those are from the Star Trek Tour, currently in Long Beach. A friend and I checked it out the other day and I got some pictures, mostly of the ships, but also a couple uniforms and quite a few props of various sorts, if people are interested.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 

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Originally posted by Dat:
So, they only labeled the nacelle pylons and the lower saucer as the Leeds. I'm now more inclined to say the Nebula in FC was the Leeds and not Endeavour or Lexington.

They bothered to rename the shuttle from Cochrane to Harris?

And they even did the shattered glass dome on the bridge of the E-D's saucer!

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Ahem.
 

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
 
And I made that post about nearly two weeks before your "I Was Right" post.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
And I brought up the idea like two and a half years before that.

Let's not get snippety, now.
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Let's also not gloat.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Are you going to put the Fear O' God^TM in me?
 

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
By golly, if you'll take in ya' he'll give it in ya'....
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
This week there are some decent pics of concept sketches from "Communicator". Most of the Enterprise episodes have smushed together in my mind, so I only vaguely remember the final ship design, but it's nice to see some of this behind the scenes material. Doesn't turn up very often these days.

There's what looks like proof sheet of some sort for the Starfleet Academy directory in TWoK. Interesting to note that the bridge simulators are only referred to by number.

Trip's notice board doesn't yield any new info, but it seems to have 3-D visualisations of the engines or the engine room, possibly early concept designs during production of the series? There's also another image from the Star Charts book, so I guess that becomes sort of canon.

And winner of the "ugliest tricorder ever" award goes to...
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
I'd say that award goes to this, but that's me...
 

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
I guess they needed more Nazi's on Enterprise.

Nazi's Arado E.555 strategic bomber


From Enterprise (from above eBay link)

 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Yeah, I was like "Hey, Luftwffe '46!"
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Well why didn't they use those during Nazi Alien Vampires Parts I & II.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Well that's a bit of a cheek, they're practically the same design.
 

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
New from eBay and "That's a Wrap Hollywood": Spacedock interior displays from STIII. Auction item

Of interest is the identification of a ship as NCC-1707.

 

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
I have that ship in a list as a Constitution-class USS Hood...
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Whereas I have it as the Predator-class USS Crusader.

Boy, that thing make Spacedock seem a lot smaller on the inside.
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 

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Originally posted by Fabrux:
I have that ship in a list as a Constitution-class USS Hood...

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No, the Hood was 1703, this is new (though the Hood was probably the intent at the time.) A quick search at Memory Beta shows 1707 was used for the USS Ranger in a few of the old Academy games, make of that what you will.

I wonder what those other three ships are supposed to be. They look a little small for Mirandas, but then I suppose it's just a graphic and the Excelsior isn't to scale either. Even still it won't fit through those doors.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Along with the Excelsior refit being discussed in this thread, there's also a concept sketch of the Suliban Helix. This one takes the name of the station very literally.

Also an Ent-E bridge schematic, which some may find useful. I can't remember if blueprints of the bridge set have been printed in any books over the years.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
The Pup model from DS9.

What looks like the engineering section on a K't'inga, that they've claimed is part of the scimitar.

Picard's toys don't have much luck.

A Zaranite probably from the Federation Council, although according to MA they were also in TMP, TFF and TUC.

An unexciting section of the Dominion base that Martok launched his cavalry raid on.
 

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Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
 
The so called Scimitar piece looks like a wing mounting from a Klingon BoP.
 

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
No, Johnny's right. It's the engineering section of a Klingon battlecruiser.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 

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Originally posted by Reverend:
No, the Hood was 1703, this is new (though the Hood was probably the intent at the time.)

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Originally posted by MinutiaeMan:
Anyone got an estimate on how big those pilots are supposed to be?

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Uhh...I'm guessing the size of a man. That'd just, y'know, a wild guess.
 

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Posted by Kobi (Member # 1360) on :
 
Hmm, does anyone know if those are regular model pilots are that you and me could purchase in any model shop?

My first guess is was that those are 1:16 scale pilots, because a rough comparison between shoulder width and model beam gave me ~4 cm which is twice the width of my car model driver seats (1:32). A 1.80 m person would be 11.25 cm high. However this could be a bit too large if the model has a draft of 15 cm and the cabin is obviously not that high.

Also the detail of the figures speaks a bit more for a smaller scale which would be 1:32. For which I think I would settle. So:
Length: 21.95 m
Beam: 26.82 m
Draft: 4.88 m
 

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Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
 
The do-hinkies on the Defiant's warp engines in the first and second photos look like the sights/flash lights of the FC phaser rifle.

The pilots could be custom made. Don't they also make specialty 1:24 model figures? They could be those.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Those Defiant additions are horrid. I wonder when they considered adding those? Maybe for the Sao Paulo?
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
The sketch was dated late 1994, so that couldn't be it. The date suggests it was for an episode in the second half of the third season, which is pretty soon after they introduced Defiant in the first place. A quick look at the episode guide suggests that the episode is either "The Die is Cast", where Sisko and company head to rescue Odo from the destructing Tal Shiar / Obsidian Order fleet, or the finale "The Adversary" where a newly minted Captain Sisko chases a founder around his ship. The sketch suggests additional doodads that would be part of the ship working out her kinks, but I guess THAT particular model upgrade was judged unnecessary so early on. Possibly fit for the Sao Paolo, but still...

Mark
 

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
From the look of the shoulder joints and their open hands, I'd guess those pilots are modified action figures.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
That toy has always reminded me of the "Lunar Ship" from the opening titles of Enterprise.
 

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
Yeah, well it's not

This is:

http://flareupload.pleh.net/uploads/341/emmette.jpg
 

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
 
Ok, nice pic, so what is it? the original from the artist or some fan-creation? And if original, do you have more?
 

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
1. It's the original ship from the opening credits of ENT.

2. No, I don't have any more pics.
 

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
 
Too bad. I would like to see more official orthos of the ships from "Enterprise".

We have so little, what do we have?
1. That top-side view of several ships, including the romulan BoP, klingon tanker(?) andorian
2. Two starfleet ships, what do we call them? starfleet delta and Intrepid?

What else?
Isn't this pitiful compared to the other star trek shows? And yes, I know, they ran longer, books were published, magazines ran articles...
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
The Enterprise herself has also been shown in really big orthos. It's not quite as much as other series, but they've been off the air for longer, so there's been more time for it all to add up. And a lot more people get access to the physical models than the CGI ones, so there are bound to be more reference pics online.
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
re Defiant: I like the model as is just fine, sure, but it would kind of be nice, from certain points of view, if there were actual details on it that matched up to where the weapons seemed to come from.
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 

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Originally posted by Dukhat:
Yeah, well it's not

This is:

http://flareupload.pleh.net/uploads/341/emmette.jpg

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Ahh yes, that argument.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Woo - I can't believe I haven't seen this before. A while back I got out a huge sheet of paper and tried extrapolating the front end of that ship. It actually looked like this!! Sweet!

I was going to scan it in for here, but it was accidently thrown out before I got around to it.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Well make another...NOW!!!
 

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
MattC, I now seem to recall that the Emmette pic was originally yours. I'm sorry I didn't ask permission to post it, but I couldn't remember where I got it from. Do you want me to remove it?
 

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
 
Here´s an interesting item: star trek spaceship model
Is this really a starship model from star trek? Even though it does include a romulan nacelle I can´t remember seeing this.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
I think it might be from the DS9 opening credits. Bernd noted that it appeared to be a new design that was never seen in actual episodes.

http://ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/unknown_ships.htm
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Definitely not the opening credits model- not even close.

It's amazing- these guys could throw together any crap and someone would be convinced it was used in an episode.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
I'm starting to smell a scam.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
It could be something from the Qualor II junkyard in "Unification" (TNG). Or from that other junkyard scene in VGR. It may not have been indentifiable onscreen, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was never used in an episode.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Wherever it came from, somebody's already bid over $100 on it for some reason. I reckon if you spent long enough looking through the various junkyard shots you'd find this, but when some of the most knowledgeable starship geeks on the net don't recognise it, it's really not worth the $60 for shipping, never mind the actual bid on top.
 

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
That's got to be one of the crappiest kitbashes I've ever seen. Looks like something from Starcrash. Long lengths of hose are never a good sign.
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Does the missus share that opinion?
 

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
Oooo, burrnnnn!
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
It might be a stripped down Flaxian ship.


 

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
No, I don't think so... are you guys 100% sure it isn't the DS9 opening credits ship?
 

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
 
No, I agree, it´s not the opening credits ship, if nothing else the ds9 ship has two glowing engines, this model has three.

But I do think it´s a bit detailed for some junkyard scene, but then on the other hand, the romulan nacelle seals it in my book - It´s a star trek model ship. Also, the company selling the item has handled star trek props auction for a while now and authenticates the model.
 

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Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
 
Well, couldn't it be a model made by another company, for another tv franchise, utilizing parts from tons of space ship models ( including the Warbird). Because of that nacelle, someone thinks it is a Star trek model, even by accident. When they were gathering up all the stuff they were going to sell for these auctions, this could have accidentally been thrown in there.
 

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
Well here's a novel idea... why doesn't someone just email the link to this eBay page to Mike Okuda or Rick Sternbach and ask them what it is?

(Although I'd recommend one person do it, instead of fifty million people as what happened with Ed Miarecki).
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
It could easily be something slapped together and then rejected for it's sheer crappiness.

OTOH, it's not unheard of for Paramount to re-use some prop from an obscure movie.
The Promillian Battleship started life as the spaceship from Night of the Creeps.
(Best. Zombie. Movie. Ever.)
Then it got lit in green and became Kurn's (freaking giagantic) ship on DS9.
 

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
 
The way this thing has been cobbled together reminds me of the "A Time to Stand" tug. Maybe it comes from the same scene in the same episode?
 

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
 
The rear engine configuration reminds me of the ancient garbage scow in TNG and also of the Xhosa of Ds9.

The more I look at it, I´d say it´s a good chance it is a star trek ship
 

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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
This listing is interesting in that it shows a symbol for the Q Continuum. I didn't know they had created one for the Q.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 

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Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
It could easily be something slapped together and then rejected for it's sheer crappiness.

OTOH, it's not unheard of for Paramount to re-use some prop from an obscure movie.
The Promillian Battleship started life as the spaceship from Night of the Creeps.
(Best. Zombie. Movie. Ever.)
Then it got lit in green and became Kurn's (freaking giagantic) ship on DS9.

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Yeah I saw the movie yesterday on Youtube. I noticed that in the movie the ship has the domed structure on the bottom, and in TNG it's turned upside down.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
A great movie- I got a bootleg DVD a couple of years back- it has an alternate ending too wherein the cop comes back as a slug-filled zombie.
As opposed to the one with the big spaceship searching the cemetary for the slugs).

Nice topless scene with the lead hottie too.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Actually the ending with the slug filled cop and the spaceship in the cemetery are one and the same. At least that's what the ending I saw showed. In any case, it did provide one valuable lesson: you can make a flamethrower out of an aerosol can and a lit cigarette.
 

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
 
This is what Mike Okuda told Jörg:

quote:

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I remember seeing that model when we were organizing the Christie's sale, but we omitted it because we didn't think it was ever used. It is, of course, possible t hat we forgot, or that it was in the background.
Sorry I can't be of more help.

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Ahhh...you're the man with the connections, boyo.

I'd bet it was a "never used", personally.
There's no attempt to light it in any way, which is pretty strange for Trek- not even enough opening in the bottom for a lighting rig- background detail or nothing on this turkey.
 

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
 
One can't but help wonder what episode it was supposed to be in. They never built these models without something specific in mind, but I guess we'll never know if not even Mike Okuda remembers.
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Wherever it was supposed to be used I imagine it was one of those times they just ended up reusing the merchantman, the ancient freighter or and one of about half a dozen such models they've had knocking around since the early days of TNG.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Isn't it this ship upside down? http://ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/dorian-screen.jpg
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
No, it doesn't look like the often reused Straleb vessel.
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Except for being a different colour and shape it looks exactly like it...
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
I can't say that it does, the aft section is completely different.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
So...I'm updating my Negh Var model with references from the auction-
There's disruptor turrets on either side of the bridge complex (ventral side hanging down) and big disruptor turrets on the "wings" just inward of the dorsal nacelle's bussard collectors.

Anyone else notice unseen wackiness from these models that had gone un-noticed prior?
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mars Needs Women:
I can't say that it does, the aft section is completely different.

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Yeah...read what I said again.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Yes, you are a master of trickery with your words.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Argo buggy concept sketches and blueprints, might come in handy for anyone making models or drawing up illustrations.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Fancy buying a load of really expensive broken up star trek kits?
 

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Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
 
If I knew I wouldn't be outbid, I may have bid on it. By the time it ends it will be majorly expensive though.
 

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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
Kitbasher's paradise, that is.
 

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Posted by shikaru808 (Member # 2080) on :
 
Is that a cup-holder?
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Probably worth about $10 in my professional opinion as a Trek Modeler of some small reknown.
 

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
A complete Excelsior kit has to be worth at least a few bucks.
 

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
Actually I think that Excelsior kit alone will probably push it to at least $30.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Well I'd possibly get it - models are bloody expensive in Australia - well they were when I bought a few, a few years ago. They were up around $80-$100. It's why I didn't really get into doing too much modelling - v. expensive if I screwed it up. Most of the kits aren't available anymore are they?
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
And you get to tell people that they might have possibly, potentially almost been in the show, but weren't.
 

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Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
 
Time to build a "Zwilling" version of the E-D Jason.
 

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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
I see X-Wing decals! Wonder what they did with the rest of that kit?
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 

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Originally posted by WizArtist II:
Time to build a "Zwilling" version of the E-D Jason.

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...the hell?

I am thinking of making a Grand Alliance uber ship.
 

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Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
 
Think two fuselages with a wing between. The US did it with the twin mustang as well.




 

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
 
Wow! It feels as if Dr Frankenstein was let loose in the USAF...
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
What's the advantage of having two fuselages connected like that, and isn't it disconcerting for the pilot to be outside the central axis of the plane?
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Maybe it's a trainer?
The second pilot might be snapping ariel recon pics...or it's just for kicks.

HOw does this apply to a Trek design though?
I've seen something like it in the Bradbury design, though I really despise that....thing
 

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Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
 
well, imagine an E-D with the pylons going both up AND down for four nacelles and a neck on the 'bottom' connected to a second saucer. Now THAT would be the Uber-Frankenstein BS model.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Too weird- why have two saucers when one giant one works sooo much better?
 

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Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
 
How 'bout a Connie with another secondary hull mirrored over the saucer? It would serve pretty much m=no purpose, but would look quite interesting.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
I've seen something like that- picture a FJ Dreadnaught but instead of a upper nacelle a "neck" leads upward to a modified Dreadnaught's secondary hull- shuttlebays are at both ends for a "through deck hangar".
I guess it carries fighters or something.
 

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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
It's not "It's a Wrap" this time, but Profiles in History is doing an e-bay auction now. After you get through the first several pages of old photos, you start to come across a lot of sci-fi items. They've even got stuff all the way back to Forbidden Planet!

Here's a selection of some of the Trek stuff:
TAS - cel of Sulu
Saavik's ears from STIII
Shatner's STIII phaser
TNG transporter control panel
Chekov's photon collector from STIV
Kronos city miniature

And some other stuff of interest:
TIE Fighter from ANH
The Holy Grail! (literally)
Hoverboard from BTTF2
Flying Winnebago, diner, & other ships from Spaceballs
 

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Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
 
That stuff is EXTREMELY expensive. Some say that they are verified to be the actual thing, but if I were to pay that much, I'd need definite proof of authenticity. A lot of the "its A Wrap" stuff seems of uncertain origin.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Answering the earlier question about the Twin Mustang, the idea was to have a very long range recon and escort fighter - two pilots would allow one to sleep for parts of the flight, and an extra pair of eyes would be invaluable in combat. Eventually though, the Mustangs would be refitted for night fighting, with the guy on the right being the radar operator.

Of course, none of this is relevant to any sci-fi example except possibly the Cloud City fighters.

Mark
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Interesting insight. Definitely not a real-world excuse to build any twin saucered Galaxy classes, thankfully.

Nice auction items. I would've thought the Klingon planet skyline in Enterprise was CGI, rather than a nicely detailed physical model. That's a nice surprise.

Also pretty cool that they've actually got photos of each prop in use, rather than It's a Wrap's vague blurbs that are usually along the lines of "it is believed this slightly damaged crew uniform button was used in the production of TNG, DS9, or Voyager, though this is unconfirmed."
 

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Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
 
I didn't know they used physical models either. Matte background shots maybe, but not actual models. Did they use physical models for any ship shots?
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Even shows like SG1 that mostly use CGI occasionally go with physical models for some things (the Abyidos pyrimaid blowing up for example).
Models still have a unique and more convincing look for some subjects.

A lot of highend CGI work uses physical models as a reference point- as with the Star Wars prequels.
Those used more physical models than the first three films despite all the computer work.
 

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Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
 
I asked because even though the CGI in Enterprise was very nice looking, you could tell that it was CGI, and would probably notice the difference between that and a physical model, especially if they appeared in the same scene together. I know that there weren't any physical models of the NX-01 that appeared on screen, did they even bother to build one, other than a reference model?
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Well there's this thing called photoshop....
I have to admit I get rather annoyed when people slap on the "CGI" label and assume it's all done by computers. Allot of what we saw in LoTRs obviously relied heavily on traditional miniature work, though the untrained eye seams to have trouble appreciating that just because it's a model, doesn't mean it can't be digitally enhanced and just because it's CG, doesn't mean there isn't a real element in there somewhere.
 

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Posted by shikaru808 (Member # 2080) on :
 
Well, when you mention "CGI" (AKA: Computer Generated Images) I think it's fairly logical to come to the conclusion that it's mainly done by computers. But that's just me.
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
As I said, the assumption that something is "CGI" and applying that label to anything involving computer in the first place is part of what often vexes me.
The key word there is "Generated". It's very misleading.
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Indeed. I think of it more as "Computer Guided Imagery".
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Well, sorta yes and no- a lot of all-CGI effects have a video-game quality (sit through Van Helsing for this) and there's the movies with only CGI (that dreadful Final Fantasy movie or the Starship Troopers series) that obviously uses no models...

The line is really blurring with traditional filming of real scenes/objects being enhanced (sometimes frame-by-frame).
 

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Posted by shikaru808 (Member # 2080) on :
 
God, don't even remind me of Starship Troopers. Just saw the third one yesterday, absolutely terrible. Didn't even show Jolene Blalock's boobs, total waste of time.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
I thought they were going to do the book's "power armor" in the third movie (I know I saw the second, but I must have blocked it from memory).

The T&A in the first movie (Dina Meyer!) is the best part...though I confess....it's somehow a movie I watch whenever it's on TV.
Like They Live- some part of you knows it's awful but you watch it in spite of yourself.
 

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The movie is based on religion. At one point they literally get on their knee's and start praying for God to come and kill them all. It doesn't bother me BECAUSE it's religion, you just have to see it to understand.

And the suits get only a 10 second shoot'em up sequence.
 

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Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
 

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Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
The T&A in the first movie (Dina Meyer!) is the best part...though I confess....it's somehow a movie I watch whenever it's on TV.
Like They Live- some part of you knows it's awful but you watch it in spite of yourself.

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"I came here to kick ass and chew bubblegum... and i'm all outta gum..."

The Piper rules
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Here's an unusual one, they're auctioning tapes that were used to play animations on the Enterprise B computers. Link.
 

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Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
 
Wow! Is this still going? That's a prety cool lot, but I'm not gonna pay 65 quid for ten videos I can't watch. Probably beta, anyway.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Whoever buys tem will almost certainly post them online anyway...
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Some Suliban writing

Build your own Delta Flyer!
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 

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Wow! Is this still going? That's a prety cool lot, but I'm not gonna pay 65 quid for ten videos I can't watch. Probably beta, anyway.

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Originally posted by Lee:
You bastard! I'll PAY you to come here and say that! Oh, wait. . .

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Why can't they have some really cool things... like more models etc. Even foam-core mock-ups and ships made in the design process. I guess they belong to the effects people though - Image G wasn't it?

What about more LCARS panels!?!

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Originally posted by Fabrux:
Its weird seeing "Star Trek Voyager" written in the same font as the TNG title card... they must really like that font over there.

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Some plans of the bridge section of the Enterprise Refit.

Enterprise-E bridge plans + engineering + Data's quarters from Nemesis

It's a shame that whoever buys these doesn't scan them and put them on the internet (or excerpts at least). They'd be invaluable to 3D modelers, among others.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
One day, I'll have kids and I will build them a treehouse version of the TWOK bridge.
 

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
 
Ok, nobody bites on that one? Fine, I´ll do it, Jason, I´m sorry to be the one to tell you, but your kids will grow up to love Star Wars and Jar-Jar Binks...
 

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Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
 

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Ok, nobody bites on that one? Fine, I´ll do it, Jason, I´m sorry to be the one to tell you, but your kids will grow up to love Star Wars and Jar-Jar Binks...

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Not if he raises em 'correctly'...

"Now child-ren. What is satan?"

"JAR-JAR, Lord Jason!"

"And what do we do to satan?"

"We burn him like the heritic that Lucas made him to be, Lord Jason!"

"Praise teh lord and pass the EPS jello, plea-z?
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
It's just as well- they'd likely be killed doing the old "bridge dance" in a treehouse- probably rock it right outta the tree pretending to take a torpedo hit or something.

No child of mine will ever like Jar Jar- hell, it's likely that I'll have them going off to school on rainy days in their little Sith cloaks with the hoodies...
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Speaking of bridges, this week they're auctioning an Excelsior bridge concept model from the production of TSfS.

Complete with Pac-Man control panel and an interesting looking space station image. Could that be a Spacedock concept design, or something from a different production?
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
I've never seen this anywhere before- including the auction.
Looks home-made and represents nothing- not even worth saving on my computer.
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
And, for some reason, it is receiving a transmission from the Big Giant Head?
 

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
 
Well, as to the bridge, not all to dissimilar to the way they made the TOS-bridge way back.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
I'd forgotten about these auctions for a while... hard to believe they're still going on.

Anyway, this week they have wreckage of a nacelle from a Galaxy class ship used in DS9.

A large scale model of a DS9 pylon used in WotW. They had the other sections some time ago that were much better, as they included the actual weapons pods.

And a kinda chintzy mug with "CAPT" on it. An uninspired b'day present from Riker maybe?
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Wow. Those federation nacelles are hollow? this backs up my theory of pixies in the nacelles making the ship move with magic and happy thoughts.
Not worth anythng- five minutes with an old ERTL model could produce better.

That DS9 pylon is kinda intresting- does not look like they used that for anything onscreen though.

And as to the mug:

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STAR TREK VIII: “CAPTAIN PICARD DRINKING MUG AND SAUCER”
A prop ceramic mug and saucer believed to have been acquired for scenes of Star Trek VIII: First Contact.

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And I believe it's a novelty from The star Trek Experience.
I defy anyone to get a screengrab of that mug in FC.
 

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Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
 
Mind you, there's still time to buy Morks dungarees, or dress like an evil mirror universe MACO, or wear cousin Gaila's boots!

Or maybe you'd prefer a lump of metal, or a pair of rubber lumps, or even four lumps of acrylic?

End sarcasm. I mean communication.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
I dunno, the "lumps of acrylic" are kinda okay. When the postman arrives with them at the door you can shout "DABOOOOO!". All the other things are crap, but people still buy them.

But the Battlestar Galactica auction is where it's at now. They're selling the bleedin' Vipers.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Not that big a deal now Doug Drexler posts cool stuff every day, but this week there's a hell of a lot of concept artwork that's worth a look.

Jim Martin solar sailing ship concepts

Various Rick Sterbach PADD designs

Dan Curry storyboards

Captive Pursuit concepts

USS Valiant MSD

Prodigal Daughter concepts

NX-01 set plans
 

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Posted by Galaxy (Member # 2144) on :
 
I wouldn't mind that Valiant MSD, but $500 for a glorified poster is a bit too rich for my blood. At least until I find a new job anyway, then I'll be spending money on all sorts of stuff I don't need.
 

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Posted by cptmkb (Member # 709) on :
 
the key word is glorified
 

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Posted by Mark (Member # 1819) on :
 
I dont suppose anyone has been saving the images from these auctions for reference? I need some more shots of the McKinley drydock for a model I am making but the auction has been disgarded by ebay.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
I've been saving them- i'll se if I have any of that model.
 

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Posted by Mark (Member # 1819) on :
 
Thanks, that would be much appreciated.
 

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Posted by Kobi (Member # 1360) on :
 
Why don't you search for it in the auction listing archive? http://startrekpropcollector.com/trekauctions/
 

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Posted by Mark (Member # 1819) on :
 
Thats spot on, thanks very much
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
For more images of the station check out this guy's website

http://www.ncc1701.us/19.html

He bought the model and refurbished it.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 

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But the Battlestar Galactica auction is where it's at now. They're selling the bleedin' Vipers.

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OMG!?! WHAT!?! No... (Way cool though - I want one!)
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 

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Originally posted by Johnny:
For more images of the station check out this guy's website

http://www.ncc1701.us/19.html

He bought the model and refurbished it.

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That guy has done a WONDERFUL job in his restoration work. Have a look at his whole site people! WOW!

Anyone know what that GINORMOUS E-D nacelle is!?! Was that from Pre-emptive Strike??
 

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Posted by Mark (Member # 1819) on :
 
I actually saw that site before trying over here but I didnt have a clear idea of how the thing should look from the top.

I might try emailing him for some more pics
 

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