I think I'm gonna be sick.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
YUCK. Posted by Zefram (Member # 1568) on :
How likely am I to be lynched if I say that I think it doesn't look too bad? Not that I like it more than the original, but I think it looks pretty good in its own right. It certainly looks like a logical descendent of the NX class... which I also liked.
I am definitely going to be lynched.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
To each their own. I just...don't like it. It has nothing to do with enjoying the original. Taken on its own, I find it to be a horrible formation
Posted by Zefram (Member # 1568) on :
I'm not quite getting his shuttlecraft designs, though. What are the exposed conduits running along the shuttlecraft's fuselage? Seems like it would be risky to expose something so important-looking to the environment.
Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
Typical.
I'll make sure I don't pay any attention whatsoever to any whinging you lot make over the Ent-C and Ent-D in november's image.
Personally, I think Gabe does great work...even if he is an ubergeek
M.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Well, Gabe's WORK is superb, there's no denying that. Very talented lad. I'm just not digging the redesign. Doesn't suit me. I AM allowed to have my own opinion, am I not?
Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
You can do what you like.
Meanwhile, I'll get back to work on V3.0 of the Ambassador/Enterprise-C.
M
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Well its nice, but I think Gabe is trying to hard to mix in the redux Battlestar Galactica look into the Enterprise and it's shuttle.
Edit: I don't find much in common with the NX-01 in this design.
Posted by Chris (Member # 71) on :
I like it.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Kinda looks like one of Eaves' proposed designs for Enterprise.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Love those nacelles...the deflector is a monstrosity though.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
I like it, just not as the Enterprise.
And god DAMN, why are they using that stupid font for the markings?
Posted by Bones McCoy (Member # 1480) on :
I think it does look like a descendant of the NX-01... If that's what they were going for... I like it, overall. Cool little glimpse of what might have been.
The shuttles, not so much, though... ugh.
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
The font on the nacelles is wrong in the renders. And that's the nicest I can be.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I'm Jason's evil twin - I like everything BUT the nacelles, which IMO are over done. Cover the grille up with a lid, and it's gold.
Mark
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Oh, dear GOD. That is the most ugly ship I have seen in my life.
(And yes, I said that out loud when I saw the first picture. Revolting.)
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Blasted work firewall. Although why they'd feel the need to un-block TrekWeb at all, let alone just at lunchtime, is beyond me. So I've finally seen the pics.
And. . . I LIKE it! God help me. I'm not an avid follower of trends in fan designs, but this has something. I wouldn't even call it NX'ed. It's just a well-done re-think allowing for 40 years of evolution in starship looks. I think perhaps the notch/cutaway in the neck may be overdoing it a bit, but that's all.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Oh, and - new wallpaper, soon as I'm home.
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
It's not bad. The modelling is obviously very good, it's just certain details I'm not partial to. The deflector looks quite nice in one of the renders(where you can see it's copper coloured), but in most of the others it looks like one of those blender things people have in their plug holes.
The shuttle looks cool from the front, but I'm not sure about the exposed area at the back. It doesn't fit with the rest of the design, and it seems like a step back from the designs in Ent.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
(I don't like the shuttle at all, so I suppose there's hope for me yet)
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
I like most of the shuttle, except for the open area and the windows. The rest of the design looks pretty good to me. With some tweaks, it could fit into the timeline between the original shuttle and the STV version quite easily.
Posted by Zipacna (Member # 1881) on :
I was already feeling sick, now the urge for explosive vomiting is all the more pressing...
Posted by Lurker Emeritus (Member # 1888) on :
It looks like it's made of vacuum formed plastic, especially that weird bit behind the bridge. But that may not be a bad thing. We live in an age in which the arms industry is designing plastic tanks. Perhaps future starships will indeed be made of plastic of some sort. However, I can find no reasonable justification for that contouring behind the bridge. Stealth doesn't wash, because why bother stealthing that little bit when the rest of the ship looks like it does? And in several places there are what seem to be unnecessary and self indulgent fripperies, like the extremely tapered ends on the nacelles. Why? What's the point? Do they make it go faster or something?
Marks out of 10: 7 for interest and imagination, but needs alot more work (and a few deletions) before it gets into 8+ territory.
quote:Originally posted by Zefram: I'm not quite getting his shuttlecraft designs, though. What are the exposed conduits running along the shuttlecraft's fuselage? Seems like it would be risky to expose something so important-looking to the environment.
Seems like an excellent idea. Remember that the external environment isn't the problem. Crew safety is the problem. Trek has excelled at implying that it's ships are death traps. I personally wouldn't travel from here to the moon in the Enterprise for fear of being blown up by a qwerty keyboard made from semtex or blasted across the room in a jet of superheated plasma from a conduit which the designer saw fit to conceal behind a very flimsy vanity panel right next to my bunk bed!
The shuttle design is excellent from the point of view of crew safety because when those conduits blow (and this is Star Trek - they will blow) they will vent their lethal contents harmlessly into space and the biggest problem the crew will have is turning a cut-off valve and managing their remaining fuel supply.
Look at contemporary manned spacecraft designs. The explosive and otherwise potentially volatile substances are usually kept in robust containers outside the crew compartment. If this means putting them external to the main airframe, so be it. Better that the stuff vents outwards rather than cutting it's way through other vital machinery on it's way to the outer hull.
Posted by bX (Member # 419) on :
I think that looks pretty awesome. To be sure, I'm in love with the old (E-nil) design. But this is a very cool riff on that design. I think I especially like what he's done with the bussard collectors and the deflector. Reading through GCK's comments on the page reveales he did not intend it to be a evolutionary step between NX and E-nil.
quote:GabrielCKoerner:
Hey thanks much. I should note its not designed to fit into existing canon at all or be a tweener between NX-01 and 1701, its a reimagined 'what if' ship.
[ October 18, 2006, 01:19 PM: Message edited by: bX ]
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I like everything on the shuttle except the exposed conduits: that side pennant may as well be a big red arrow saying "Shoot HERE!".
quote:The shuttle design is excellent from the point of view of crew safety because when those conduits blow (and this is Star Trek - they will blow) they will vent their lethal contents harmlessly into space and the biggest problem the crew will have is turning a cut-off valve and managing their remaining fuel supply.
Plus the, you know... spiralling out of control as the blown conduit acts as the world's biggest RCS thruster. If that happens near your home ship, you'd be doing the ol' "Kamikaze run at the Odyssey". Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: I'm Jason's evil twin - I like everything BUT the nacelles, which IMO are over done. Cover the grille up with a lid, and it's gold.
Mark
I dont like the rear of the nacelles, and in truth, I like the nacelles more as a "Enterprise C" era design, but I was trying to be positive about this thing.
It looks....unfinihed. Like they had to launch the ship a few weeks before construction was completed (the deflector in particular looks like it's missing a cowling).
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Plus Gabe still has to add textures to the dorsal side of the saucer.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
What are you call complaining about? It isn't different enough from the original Enterprise to merit vomiting. *I* think its great.
Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
You know, it's not bad. It's also non-canon so I won't be vomiting anytime soon. If they replace the original TOS ship with this CGI version... I might kill a few executives.
He has talent... I just prefer to see a blending of TOS into ENT instead of the other way around.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
I'm not sure how I feel about the ship, but I do have to say that along with one of "Vektor"'s vessels (his unfinished entry for the Titan design contest IIRC), this is one of the most unique-yet-still-Trek re-renditions of the classic form I've seen from fandom.
Given how many zillions of knock-offs have appeared over the years, that says a lot.
I just hope he fixes the dorsal saucer to conform more closely to the side drawing . . . as it is now it throws off the whole ship and makes it look ridiculous. But I have to admit that I fancy the rest of it . . . if they rebooted the franchise and made the ship look like that, I wouldn't freak out too much.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Anyone displaying enough logic and wherewithal to incorpotate aft torpedo launchers has my vote.
The ventral saucer area (forward-facing), with the window rows, looks fucking great, very gill-like. Also, the "cowling" surface around the engineering-section, which the deflector protrudes from, nice (almost like glorious foreskin). The nacelle pylons have never looked greater either, imo. Nor the nacelle endings, almost Cadillackian.
The exposed tops of the nacelles are a bit too gaudy (the intricate nacelle tips are enough) and the dildo-antenna in the deflector needs to go. I also agree with that meddling Lee that the neck is a bit too ornamental (albeit stylish), and also too receded from the launchers.
I'd strongly like to see the Miranda class in this theme, yessum. More than I love taffy. And I do love my taffy...
[ October 25, 2006, 11:42 PM: Message edited by: Nim ]
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
"I don't like it".
Seriously.
I agree it looks less like an "NX'd" Enterprise and more like an Eaves/E-E Enterprise.
Posted by Joshua Bell (Member # 327) on :
It reminds me of the covers to the old James Blish "Star Trek Log" TAS novelizations. Y'know, paintings of the Enterprise done in the 1970s by artists in the days before reference photos were easy to come by, who were painting based on sketchy memories and the artistic trends of the days.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
Alan Dean Foster wrote a lot of those. I'm not aware if Blish wrote any.
He did have some other Trek books from about that time though.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Got any picture of THOSE versions?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim: Also, the "cowling" surface around the engineering-section, which the deflector protrudes from, nice (almost like glorious foreskin). The nacelle pylons have never looked greater either, imo. Nor the nacelle endings, almost Cadillackian.
Probably the single creepiest thing you've ever posted.
Also: "Cadillackian" sounds like a TAS alien.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: "Cadillackian" sounds like a TAS alien.
*SMACK* Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Jason:
quote:Probably the single creepiest thing you've ever posted.
Then you weren't here for the great Ayn Rand Wars, terrible lingo on both sides, terrible. Some nasty, weapons grade likenings used there.
Well, I knew a large percentage of the male US population snip themselves under the impression that it's hygienic and builds up the friction tolerance, so I thought I'd fly my colors, maybe someone would bite. As for prepuce in ship design and art, I hate to shock you but it's old hat to Lynch, Giger and Bacon.
But alright, for the sake of conversation let's have alternatives. Lettuce-like cowling? Fresh, crispy lettuce. At least that'll give the Minbari-philes here a boner (oh no there I go again).
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well, at least you managed to stay away from strange vagina comparisons...thus far, anyway.
...and yes, for the record, I have seen vaginas with radar dish(s) protruding from them, and no you dont want to hear about it.
Posted by Joshua Bell (Member # 327) on :
quote:Originally posted by HerbShrump: Alan Dean Foster wrote a lot of those. I'm not aware if Blish wrote any.
He did have some other Trek books from about that time though.
Oh, yeah, duh, wires crossed in my brain.
Anyway, Star Trek novel[ization]s from the 1970s with "artistic" cover art of just the Enterprise. (Before the movie poster style of Trek-based book covers caught on.)
Posted by Joshua Bell (Member # 327) on :
Those are actually much better depictions of the Enterprise than I remember. Note the metallic sheen to it, though. I'll keep digging.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
No, no...there are some "Trek" covers with weird shit that looks nothing like the Enterprise at all- I mean shit that is far less "Enterprise" than the NX-01 or that "phase 2 Enterprise" poster used to promote TMP. Here. and here (top right corner) is what i mean. Pretty much all of the "Best of trek" books are seriously drug induced....possibly they lacked the rights to use the ship's image or something.
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
Heh, in the last book on that second link, the Enterprise is actually upside down.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I'm gathering that they might not have been able to publish an actual picture of the Enterprise - so they painted a generic space ship.
looks like an early version of Voyager - complete with verticle 'sail'.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
So they could not use Trek images so they rip-offed Galactca?
Posted by StarCruiser (Member # 979) on :
Um...that book is a bit older than Battlestar Galactica (early 70's).
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Yeah it looks like that too - maybe then it was cashing in on Galactica mania? Was it trying to depict the Enterprise or just another Trek 'ship'?
Posted by Joshua Bell (Member # 327) on :
looks like an early version of Voyager - complete with verticle 'sail'.
And a lot like the original Kenner Star Wars Y-Wing toy with the engine pod extensions removed.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mars Needs Women: So they could not use Trek images so they rip-offed Galactca?
A move that would set a precedent Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Another possible explanation is that there was absolutely no money or effort put aside for ordering cover art for the novel(ization) in question - instead, a generic piece of scifi art was grabbed from the public domain, or from some source that wouldn't be willing or able to press charges for misuse.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Y'now the green ship in that pic could make a nice Gorn design. Them being green and all.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
The shape would make a good Gorn ship, but can we come up with some other color? I've had enough of the green ships! It seems like every other race has a green fleet. I know that's an exaggeration, but I'd still like to see something original in the color department!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Orange- no one's done orange yet.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
The Bajorans did.
Stripes. Polka dots. Mondrian-like patterns. Plaids. Blue. Red.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Hell no they did not- they used brownish/tan ships with red warp glowy parts- no orange.
There were a couple of oneshot Voyager aliens with orange ships, but no one wort mentioning- or ever seeing again, for that matter.
Besides, the Wadi/Zepolite ship had all sorts of stripes and such- not a great combo on a ship, really.
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
How much more orange do you want the Ferengi ships to be? Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
I like the idea of the Enterprise that goes the galactica way as a thought experiment. Not as anything that should become only remotely canon. The artistic work is outstanding in any case. It is exactly how a re-envisioned Enterprise should look like if the series were to be rebooted.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
My major annoyance about his design is... that dreadfully amateurish font. Truely, truely horrific.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
The font looks like "Machine" or something like it, which was used on later reissues of the AMT Enterprise kit. (I think it might even be mentioned in the Starfleet Technical manual.) Before "Amarillo" was released, a lot of guys who drew starship schematic used "Machine." Maybe its use was an intentional homage to the old AMT kit?
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