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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
Episodes 1 & 2 gave us the following starships:

USS Clarke
USS Dana
USS Earhart
USS Edison
USS Europa NCC-1648
USS Kerala
USS Ride
USS Shenzhou NCC-1227 Walker-class
USS Shran
USS Sioux
USS T'Plana Hath
USS Walker Walker-class
USS Yeager
Space station at Eagle 12

Shenzhou built at San Francisco Fleet yards. Motto "All existing things are really one."
 
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
Tie-in novel #1 Desperate Hours mentions:
USS Enterprise Constitution-class
USS Intrepid (all-Vulcan crew)
USS Persepolis (all-Vulcan crew)
USS Tereshkova
 
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
Episode 3:

USS Crossfield Crossfield
USS Discovery NCC-1031 Crossfield
USS Glenn NCC-1040 Crossfield

Starbase 18 is mentioned and a setting which looked like Starbase 11 is seen.

Discovery's dedication plaque is barely visible.

Capt. Lorca has a nifty war map in his ready room. Hope we get a closer look of it soon.

Two identical shuttles are seen:
SPT 21 (probably Starfleet Prison Transport)
DSC 01 (referred to as Disco 1)

8,186 Starfleet casualties at the Battle of the Binary Stars. This seems way too high a body count IMO.
 
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
Glenn's registry is actually NCC-1030.
 
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
 
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USS Clarke NCC-1661
USS Dana
USS Earhart
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USS Edison NCC-1683
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USS Europa NCC-1648
USS Kerala
USS Ride
USS Shenzhou NCC-1227 Walker-class
USS Shran NCC-1413
USS Sioux
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USS T'Plana Hath NCC-1004
USS Walker Walker-class
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USS Yeager NCC-1437
Space station at Eagle 12
 
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Brown_supahero:
USS Shran NCC-1413

Where is this registry from?
 
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Dukhat:
quote:
Originally posted by Brown_supahero:
USS Shran NCC-1413

Where is this registry from?
http://www.startrek.com/database_article/shran-u-s-s
 
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
Sweet. They all look better than the fugly pizza cutter, but all of them look out of place in the 2250s.

Clarke has an Enterprise-A-ish saucer and would fit better into the 2280-2290. Same goes for Edison and T'Plana Hath with their Excelsior-ish saucers.

Yeager and Europe could fit into the late 24th/early 25th century.

And it shows that TPTB obviously don't believe in chronological registries.

The Kerala is missing but a model of it is supposed to be released by Eaglemoss.
 
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
 
John Eaves fb post about episode 2 ships.

https://www.facebook.com/john.eaves.526/posts/1810377555656803
 
Posted by Amasov Prime (Member # 742) on :
 
Here's a pdf for you. Not formatted or edited or anything, just something I typed down to get some structure into things regarding the battle of the bynary stars. Working on... something else, but I might as well include DSC. [Smile] Tell me if I missed something.
Analysis of BOBS (pdf)
 
Posted by gaghyogi49 (Member # 14666) on :
 
Excellent work! The final ship in the table is the USS Shran, as revealed by John Eaves on Facebook. So far, startrek.com has not released the concept drawing of said ship.

Facebook link
 
Posted by gaghyogi49 (Member # 14666) on :
 
In a later post, John confirmed that the USS Clarke and USS Shran belong to two different starship classes.

Facebook post
 
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
 
Those vessels don't belong in 2256, or even 2356, without abandoning the concepts of vessel styling over time that had previously served this group so well because they were maintained by the show's makers for consistency.
 
Posted by Amasov Prime (Member # 742) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by gaghyogi49:
In a later post, John confirmed that the USS Clarke and USS Shran belong to two different starship classes.

Facebook post

Thanks for the links! Hard to keep track of the stuff going on on FB. I updated the file accordingly, will upload it later.
 
Posted by gaghyogi49 (Member # 14666) on :
 
Excellent! We should do this for the variety of Klingon ships as well! :-)
 
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Jeez, HD and the omnipresence of the internet ruins everything. Back in 1997 we argued for about a year over just four new designs in First Contact. Now we have names, registries, even classes at the drop of a hat.

That's, what, nine new classes now? What a time to be alive. My shiplist file has gotten longer from four episodes of DSC than it did from four seasons of ENT...
 
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
The T'Plana Hath is gorgeous. And I really liked the Klingon battlecruiser, just enough semblance to the D2 and Negh'Var to send out that klingon vibe, but the engineering hull is a totally new aesthetic, practical instead of tear-shaped.
 
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
Episode 3:

USS Crossfield Crossfield
USS Discovery NCC-1031 Crossfield
USS Glenn NCC-1040 Crossfield


Akiva Goldsmith has stated there were only two Crossfield class starships in existance. With the events of the 3rd episode, there is now only one:

https://trekmovie.com/2017/10/09/producer-promises-star-trek-discovery-will-address-apparent-deviations-from-canon/

"We are ten years before The Original Series…Where Constitution Class ships are in comparison to where this Discovery prototype – well one of two prototypes, well now one of one prototypes – are technologically is obviously a variant."

There probably isn't a Crossfield class USS Crossfield.
 
Posted by Capt. Kaiser (Member # 10511) on :
 
Love the new designs despite feeling like they belong to a far more advanced era.
 
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
quote:
Akiva Goldsmith has stated there were only two Crossfield class starships in existance.
Which could just mean that the USS Crossfield was destroyed or never finished.
 
Posted by gaghyogi49 (Member # 14666) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Nim:
The T'Plana Hath is gorgeous. And I really liked the Klingon battlecruiser, just enough semblance to the D2 and Negh'Var to send out that klingon vibe, but the engineering hull is a totally new aesthetic, practical instead of tear-shaped.

I'm looking forward to getting a better look at all the new Klingon ships. I especially like the one that looks closest to previous Klingon designs. Kol uses a ship of that design in "The butcher's knife cares not for the lambs cry". I guess we're talking about the same ship? ;-)
 
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mars Needs Women:

There probably isn't a Crossfield class USS Crossfield.

(Headdesk.gif)

As for registries, if these were supposed to be testbeds . . . floating labs to test starship systems . . . that'd be cool enough. But these seem to be frontline combat ships, which nerfs that idea.
 
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
When did Starfleet start naming ship classes after the prototype ship? The earliest definitive example was the Excelsior. The Constitution class is named Starship class on the Enterprise dedication plaque, and Enterprise (the series) didn't follow this naming convention with the NX-class. Discovery could be evidence that classes were not originally named after the first ship produced at least until the 2260s (when the name Constitution-class appears on technical displays in TOS). Then again, Spike could be right, and it could be that the first ship of a class was seen as a test-bed and never pressed into active service until the launch of the USS Excelsior under Sulu.
 
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Amasov Prime:
Here's a pdf for you. Not formatted or edited or anything, just something I typed down to get some structure into things regarding the battle of the bynary stars. Working on... something else, but I might as well include DSC. [Smile] Tell me if I missed something.
Analysis of BOBS (pdf)

Someone, give this member a job at ex-astris.
 
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
I guess there are all sorts of reasons why there might not be a class ship (for any given class:
- Non-flight testbed
- Project name only - which would certainly tie in with the number of flight pioneers we've seen having names assigned to classes (we could eentually find that all these assorted -type ships we've seen at the Binary Stars are actually Gagarin-class, etc - Leonov, Tereshkova, Aldrin (!), Shepard, Glenn (!!), Grissom (!!!)...)
- Secrecy
- etc.

Are there any real-life examples of having twinned prototypes? Becauase the only thing I can think of is, er, the Victory and Excalibur from B5: Crusade...
 
Posted by shikaru808 (Member # 2080) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Brown_supahero:
quote:
Originally posted by Amasov Prime:
Here's a pdf for you. Not formatted or edited or anything, just something I typed down to get some structure into things regarding the battle of the bynary stars. Working on... something else, but I might as well include DSC. [Smile] Tell me if I missed something.
Analysis of BOBS (pdf)

Someone, give this member a job at ex-astris.
Or at least a job at Trekyards haha. But only if he likes making hour long analysis videos on 4 seconds of footage.
 
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Ah, Trekyards are OK. Well, sometimes. Sometimes they are spot on, and produce a really well-rounded episode; other times, it's plain the format doesn't lend itself to what they're trying to discuss and it just meanders.

TrekMovie's Shuttlepod PodCast is the worst culprit though. Christ do they have some elementary gaps in their Trek knowledge. And they come across as really up themselves sometimes. Yes, Kayla, we get it, you're a real scientist. And the guy with the nasal voice, he literally has the worst voice in Podcasting history. Nicely offset by the third guy, who apparently records his part form inside a steel drum in his bathroom.Frankly given the extended love-in they're having with DSC and the access tney're obviously getting, they're throwing any notions of impartiality out the window and signing up as a full-time adjunct of CBS' marketing division.

Basically, I hate other Trekkies. I don't know any in real life, I prefer to talk to you at a distance, it's better all round for everybody!

Gosh, I haven't ranted on here in YEARS. Have a world-famous Lee smiley: 8)
 
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lee:

Basically, I hate other Trekkies. I don't know any in real life, I prefer to talk to you at a distance, it's better all round for everybody!

Yeah, since the announcement of Discovery, I've come to really dislike the fanbase. Few likable characters in a sea of uptight, arrogant, entitled jerks.(Edit: I changed a-holes to jerks, I'm trying to work on my potty mouth.)
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lee:
Are there any real-life examples of having twinned prototypes? Becauase the only thing I can think of is, er, the Victory and Excalibur from B5: Crusade...

Offhand, the only ones that come immediately to mind are Novgorod & Vitse-Admiral Popov, Russian ironclad monitors of the mid-1870s which tested out the ridiculous concept of a circular hull.
 
Posted by Amasov Prime (Member # 742) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by shikaru808:
quote:
Originally posted by Brown_supahero:
quote:
Originally posted by Amasov Prime:
Here's a pdf for you. Not formatted or edited or anything, just something I typed down to get some structure into things regarding the battle of the bynary stars. Working on... something else, but I might as well include DSC. [Smile] Tell me if I missed something.
Analysis of BOBS (pdf)

Someone, give this member a job at ex-astris.
Or at least a job at Trekyards haha. But only if he likes making hour long analysis videos on 4 seconds of footage.
As for Trekyards, no thanks. While I like the concept of what they try t achieve (and they certainly bring a lot of momentum to the whole Trek ships fan community, giving them some kind of central hub), I prefer the elitist harcore realm that is flare. [Big Grin] I mean, how often has this message board uncovered some real stuff as opposed to, well, trekyards sharing their opinion or stating the obvious? I do like their interviews with Sternbach, Drexler et al, and I admire the effort, but they really haven't left a mark yet when it comes to content. It's like investigative journalism vs. tabolid newspapers.
That being said, I was hoping for some more revelations over the last days, but it seems we have to wait for eaglemoss to drop some bombshells in January with their Discovery models and magazines.I'll upload an updated version shortly.
 
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Some ship images from Episode 5:

New Starbase Design:

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Klingon D7:

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Klingon Shuttle/Fighter:

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Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
 
Those are amazing-looking black and mostly-black pictures. (Not your fault … just seems like the VFX team was trying to cloak them.)
 
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
 
To add to what's been said already, Trekyards is terribly annoying, not just because of baseless hypotheses, but because those who think they know everything are naturally annoying to those of us who do, which is basically the Flare userbase.

Also, the American host is utterly ridiculous, as he posted a picture of himself on Twitter in a maroon monster with the caption "have no fear, Capt. Foley is here!" and asked for retweets.

No, dude, just no. Actually, not just no, but f… oh, wait, someone said something about potty-mouth.

As for podcasts, I am tempted to start one just to add my suck factor to the chorus of suck. Even my foes complimented my speaking when I was a podcast guest a handful of years ago, so there's that…
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
I can't even imagine listening to a self-serious Trek podcast. I'm just going to stick with The Greatest Generation.
 
Posted by shikaru808 (Member # 2080) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Guardian 2000:
To add to what's been said already, Trekyards is terribly annoying, not just because of baseless hypotheses, but because those who think they know everything are naturally annoying to those of us who do, which is basically the Flare userbase.

Also, the American host is utterly ridiculous, as he posted a picture of himself on Twitter in a maroon monster with the caption "have no fear, Capt. Foley is here!" and asked for retweets.

He's Canadian, thank the lord.
 
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
 
YES! Thank you! I am so happy to hear that. We have so many weirdos now, but I am relieved to be one short.
 
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Problem is, most Trek podcasts seem to be American. Except when they're Canadian, but that doesn't matter, because the rest of the world really can't tell the difference. Sorry, but there it is. Anyway. Yes, American. And you're all too polite and respectful and incapable of saying something nasty about anything. And when you do, it just comes across as catty. Whereas we Brits, we're irreverent. We take the piss out of everything.

Amereican podcaster: "And of course the show's creative consultant is Nicholas Meyer, a truly great director..."
British podcaster: "Meyer? Not arsed mate. That Sherlock film he done? Rubbish."

On another board, I've taken to calling Voq D'Wayn D'bleh, he's the ultimate Klingon space nerd (now that T'Kuvma has carked it anyway, he was the previous holder of the crown). And L'Rell, I keep expecting her to say "This one time, in Klingon band camp..." - now all the more apt now we know she's a bit kinky, likes the odd human prisoner.

(Of course, that's all gone for a ball of chalk now Voq has been genetically transformed into the implausibly hot Lt. Ash Tyler, which is obviously what has happened, but still)
 
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
 
Klingon concept art, with ships.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/1QvbL
 
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
 
404
 
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
 
Try this.

http://www.thetrekcollective.com/2017/10/discovery-klingon-designs-revealed-in.html?m=1
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Okay, so know we know whose ass to lick. Thanks.
 
Posted by gaghyogi49 (Member # 14666) on :
 
The USS Gagarin seen in the trailer for next week's episode ("Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum") seems to be of the same class as the USS Kerala.
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Seven hours later, I realize there's a typo. That should be KICK, goddammit.
 
Posted by o2 (Member # 907) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by gaghyogi49:
The USS Gagarin seen in the trailer for next week's episode ("Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum") seems to be of the same class as the USS Kerala.

Finaly, we will see one of those new ship designs in a close-up!
 
Posted by o2 (Member # 907) on :
 
Did anyone noticed that the ship at the end of 'Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad' uses parts of the new Galactica (engines) and the engineering hull of an Excesior-class starship?
 
Posted by gaghyogi49 (Member # 14666) on :
 
The underslung engines kind of reminded be of the Kobayashi Maru from the reboots. I was intrigued by the "hood ornament" at the front of the ship. I wonder if this is a lion, just like the head of the cane used by Stella's father.
 
Posted by o2 (Member # 907) on :
 
In this picuture you have a good view on the engines of the Galactica:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-3131325/

And from what I know a model kit of the Galactica is available, so they could have kitbashed that ship...

(Ok, some may say that that ship is CGI, but why using parts of previous ships in the first place instead of creating something completely new...)
 
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
Actually the nacelles look more like the front end of an ENT Y-class freighter.
 
Posted by gaghyogi49 (Member # 14666) on :
 
The similarity is only superficial. This is definitely a new CG model which does not re-use any actual CG elements from the Galactica.

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Posted by gaghyogi49 (Member # 14666) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Dukhat:
Actually the nacelles look more like the front end of an ENT Y-class freighter.

Indeed! I can see a clear design influence there!
 
Posted by o2 (Member # 907) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by gaghyogi49:
The similarity is only superficial. This is definitely a new CG model which does not re-use any actual CG elements from the Galactica.

Well, in either way, she is not a beauty...

Moving to another topic:

Did anybody identified the ship classes that docked at that new space station at the beginning of Episode 5?

My guess is:

1 Europa-Class type
3 times the Kerala Type

One or two of the Kerala type ships could be Clarke type instead.
 
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Brown_supahero:
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USS Clarke NCC-1661 Malachowski-class
USS Dana Engle-class
USS Earhart
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USS Edison NCC-1683 Hoover-class
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USS Europa NCC-1648 Nimitz-class
USS Kerala NCC-1255 Shepard-class
USS Ride Engle-class
USS Shenzhou NCC-1227 Walker-class
USS Shran NCC-1413 Magee-class
USS Sioux
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USS T'Plana Hath NCC-1004 Engle-class
USS Walker Walker-class
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USS Yeager NCC-1437 Cardenas-class
Space station at Eagle 12

All can be found at http://www.startrek.com/database/movie/star-trek-discovery/category/ship
 
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
So the first AMERICAN to, not go into space, but just make a pissant suborbital flight, gets a class named after him - and then one of the ships of said class is the name of the RUSSIAN who was first actual proper man in space? Charming.
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
But entirely fitting for John Eaves.
 
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
So let's see then...

Malachowski: Could be named after assorted Polish politicians or military officers, but probably more likely after Nicole M, a USAF officer.

Engle: based on the others, almost certainly Joe Engle, another X-15 pilot and Shuttle astronaut.

Hoover: J. Edgar? Herbert? Or probably Bob, noted test pilot.

Nimitz: the ship, or the admiral, I guess it's really moot at this point!

Shepard: duh.

Magee: nothing really stands out, unless you go for Christopher, yet another aviator...

Cardenas: one of the places? Or there are many, many notable people with it for a surname. Uniquely, none of them are aviators, that I can tell!
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
It's always going to be related to aviation with him.
 
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
 
http://trekcore.com/blog/2017/11/star-trek-discovery-battle-of-the-binary-stars-armada-identified/

John Eaves confirmed article three hours ago. Bonus points for whoever identifies the living persons, as of today, who’s starships class bears their name.

Eaves indicated that there are other new class ships that have not been released yet.
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Are they really letting Eaves name all the shups & classes? Because this guy has the most narrow-minded outlook & naming convention I've seen outside of zhorlord fanboy types.
 
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
So all Starfleet classes are named after mostly obscure 20th Century North Americans.So much for diversity.

The Discovery's dedication plaque motto:
"All things are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo Galilei
 
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
John Eaves on Facebook has the Dana as Hoover-class and the Ride as Shepard-class.
 
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Shik:
Are they really letting Eaves name all the shups & classes? Because this guy has the most narrow-minded outlook & naming convention I've seen outside of zhorlord fanboy types.

I'm not thrilled about it either (actually, I'm not thrilled at all that Eaves is even designing the ships), but look at it this way: If Eaves wasn't the one making up the names and classes, then we probably wouldn't have any at all. This kind of stuff just doesn't seem important to most people who are producing Trek these days.
 
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
According to Facebook, Eaves assigned a class and registry to every ship mentioned, but it seems up to startrek.com to release this information.

Registries for Discovery, Glenn and Shenzou were not chosen by him, but all other registries are supposed to be chronological.

He also said, that the class names are more diverse, it just so happens that we only got to see the ones named after pilots/astronaus so far.
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Dukhat:
quote:
Originally posted by Shik:
Are they really letting Eaves name all the shups & classes? Because this guy has the most narrow-minded outlook & naming convention I've seen outside of zhorlord fanboy types.

I'm not thrilled about it either (actually, I'm not thrilled at all that Eaves is even designing the ships), but look at it this way: If Eaves wasn't the one making up the names and classes, then we probably wouldn't have any at all. This kind of stuff just doesn't seem important to most people who are producing Trek these days.
Yeah, I really miss Doug, Mike, & Rick.

If anyone here understands diversity of ship names & classes, it's me. But goddamn, Wikipedia alone provides better options for Earth-based naming (& yes, I WOULD like more non-human names other than the couple of token throwaways we get).
 
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
New Eaglemoss Discovery ships!

http://www.startrek.com/article/first-look-eaglemosss-newest-ships
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
...How the fuck do you pronounce "Bstlh"?
 
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
Just like how it’s spelled, silly.
 
Posted by 137th Gebirg (Member # 2692) on :
 
Really like most of the designs, but the Magee class USS Shran just looks odd and off-balanced to me.
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
The only ones I like are Shenzhou, Kerala, & Yeager. Everything else is shite.
 
Posted by StarCruiser (Member # 979) on :
 
^ You're being too generous!
 
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
 
What about the walker-class listed as 423m and the crossfield class as 750.5m

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
Geez, I think I have to reconsider getting an abo. I would really like to have the Starfleet ships (sans Discovery) but what the hell am I going to do with these "Klingon" monstrosities. I'm too lazy to put them on eBay, my storage space is limited and there's no way in hell I'm going to display them on a shelf.
 
Posted by StarCruiser (Member # 979) on :
 
Ever shot skeet?
 
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
So, updating my shiplist... we (or at least I) don't know:

- What class the Buran, Cooper, Earhart, Muroc or Sioux are?
- The registries for Buran, Cooper, Dana, Earhart, Hoover, Muroc, Ride, or Sioux?
 
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
(that is, I know Buran and Cooper at least are mention-only ships, probably some of the others are, so we may never know. But sometimes (like via the ST website) you get extra info)
 
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
The Kerala looks like a bad black and white photo copy of a photo from a magazine from the 1980's.
 
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
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So we have ships from Farscape, Stargate,Warhammer,ST:Online, Doctor Who, Flash Gordon and the Lexx.
(Special shout-out to the Kerala, which looks like a decent FASA design)
 
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Brown_supahero:
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For Google's Sake - Battle of Binary Stars May 2256:
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USS Clarke (NCC-1661) Malachowski-class. Destroyed 2256
USS Dana Engle-class. Destroyed 2256
USS Earhart. Destroyed 2256
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USS Edison (NCC-1683) Hoover-class. Destroyed 2256
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USS Europa (NCC-1648) Nimitz-class Adm Brett Anderson. Destroyed 2256
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USS Kerala (NCC-1255) Shepard-class. Destroyed 2256
USS Ride Engle-class. Destroyed 2256
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USS Shenzhou (NCC-1227) Walker-class Cpt.Philippa Georgiou. Abandoned 2256
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USS Shran (NCC-1413) Magee-class. Destroyed 2256
USS Sioux
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USS T'Plana Hath (NCC-1004) Engle-class. Destroyed 2256
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USS Yeager (NCC-1437) Cardenas-class Cpt. Steven Maranville. Destroyed 2256
Space station at Eagle 12

All can be found at http://www.startrek.com/database/movie/star-trek-discovery/category/ship

 
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Most of these are beautiful as post-DS9 era ship designs.
 
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
So, the Buran is a Cardenas-class, it transpires. Or the ISS version was anyway, which feels good enough to me.
 
Posted by 137th Gebirg (Member # 2692) on :
 
The Shenzhou is finally shipping!
 
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 137th Gebirg:
The Shenzhou is finally shipping!

Jealous. I wish I had money and lived in a country that has access to these subscriptions
 
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
 
ISS Charon  -
 
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
The production design of this show makes so little sense.
 
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
Well, that's John Eaves for you. He's a good enough artist, but his aesthetic really doesn't match every other series at all. [Frown]

Though looking at it from this angle, I wonder if he was trying to channel the Doomsday Machine for some reason.
 
Posted by 137th Gebirg (Member # 2692) on :
 
Reminds me of a basking shark.
 
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
The USS Edison is cute as a button.
 
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
 
What about this?

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
I'd count that as further evidence that Discovery does not take place in the same timeline as the other series...
 
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
I think the pylon cut-out section was larger, wasn't it?
 
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
 
https://www.google.com/amp/comicbook.com/startrek/amp/2018/04/15/star-trek-discovery-enterprise-design-legal/
 
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
 
Wow. I’ve been hearing a lot of things the past few years as to how messed up the rights to Star Trek are these days, but this? They can’t even use the franchise’s most classic ship design anymore for legal reasons?

To quote Hubert Farnsworth: I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
 
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
Words fail me. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
So, who owns the rights of the original design if not CBS?
 
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
Something’s screwy about this. How could companies such as Eaglemoss and AMT make toys and model kits of the TOS Enterprise if CBS (who I assumed owned the design) doesn’t have the rights to it?

[ April 17, 2018, 03:06 PM: Message edited by: Dukhat ]
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Obviously, Viacom/Paramount has the IP rights.
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Doesn't Viacom own CBS?
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Negative. The split happened 12 years ago: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-viacom-formally-split/

Per MA:
quote:

TV - CBS Television Distribution, CBS Paramount Network Television/CBS Television Studios, CBS Corporation (2005 – present)
Viacom had purchased CBS Corporation in 2000. They split in 2005. The old Viacom then became CBS Corporation. Its holding Paramount Television became CBS Paramount Network Television. CBS Television Distribution formed soon after and took over distribution of past Star Trek shows. In 2009, CBS Paramount Network Television became CBS Television Studios. Star Trek: Discovery is produced under this ownership.
Movies, DVDs - Paramount Pictures, Viacom (new) (2005 – present)
In the 2005 Viacom/CBS split, the old Viacom became the CBS Corporation and a new Viacom was created. This new company owns Paramount Pictures, which in turn owns the Trek films. Paramount Pictures produced Star Trek, Star Trek Into Darkness, and Star Trek Beyond under license from CBS Television Studios. Paramount also continues to distribute DVDs of the TV series on behalf of CBS. The split marked the occasion that the former Paramount Television was formally separated from Paramount Pictures; until this point in time the television company had always been a subsidiary division of Paramount Pictures.


 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
DOUBLE
 
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
CBS have now said Eaves was wrong, and there is no legal obstacle to using the original design.
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Oh, OK, so it's back to them just being donkeyfuckers, then.
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Okay, given that explanation of how they shuffled all the corporate names around, I don't feel bad at all about having been confused.
 


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