that I have EVER seen. Like, it beats out Eaves' Discofuckery. It beats out zhorlord fanboy ships on Ship Schematics, & it beats Lee's Baywatch class.
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
It’s growing on me.
Dave Combes’ has 3D printed already.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
The product of a febrile 5-year-old.
Posted by Capt. Kaiser (Member # 10511) on :
its a meh design but maybe since its technically not a hero ship it fits?
Posted by o2 (Member # 907) on :
It looks like a combination of Miranda-class and Steamrunner. I like the Galaxy/Nebula-class deflector dish design. Do we have any registry yet? Just learned that Cerritos is a city in California. At least that fits...
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Definately not a beauty, but not exactly ugly either, which kind of fits the ship's role as one of "Starfleet's least important ships". Also, it looks period appropriate.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I could quibble over the details, but I like it.
First, it’s period appropriate. That should not have to be said, but thanks to Eaves it’s not something we can take for granted. Overall I’m reminded of some of the lesser-detailed Wolf 359 kitbashes, the Freedom and the Springfield especially.
I love the nav deflector. One of those little things that calls back to past models like Steamrunner and Oberth, it looks utilitarian, which fits the theme of the show.
I’m not a huge fan of the nacelle pylons, they’re too simple and awkwardly placed. Something even just a little curved would’ve made a huge difference. And I’m hoping that other angled views reveal there’s some kind of structure on the aft saucer, kinda like the Miranda but probably less bulky and blocky. If it’s just a completely plain Galaxy-esque saucer I’ll be a little disappointed.
But again, I’m quibbling. We’ll learn more once the show releases, but it seems this is supposed to be a very awkward utilitarian ship, and I get the impression that it’s just not supposed to be a glamorous design anyway. And that’s why I think it works.
Shik, I think it’s possible you’re forgetting about some of the truly ridiculous ShipSchematics designs that are out there... Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
It's horrible, & thank fuck I don't have to include it in my project.
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
Let me put it this way: If/when this ship becomes available in Star Trek Online, I will not be purchasing it.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
It kinda looks like they were going for a Galaxy-style version of the FJ Ptolemy.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
It looks like they were going for cheap & easy to draw.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: I could quibble over the details, but I like it.
First, it’s period appropriate. That should not have to be said, but thanks to Eaves it’s not something we can take for granted.
This is broadly true, though it commits most every other sin we've ever seen. The nacelle pylons are long and split (Disco), they connect at the most adventurous location possible besides the literal front of the Bussard (Eaves), there's then extra weight hanging off of them in the form of a deflector to which access is well nigh impossible (ST3, ST:FC).
I saw a pic of it in passing and thought it was a joke.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shik: it beats Lee's Baywatch class.
You take that back!
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
I googled Star Trek Baywatch Class.
Like ... I assume those are boob representations at the front, but they could also be testicles? And I was like this thing is missing a dick?
Anyway.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
It was a thing I threw together in MS Paint in about 1998. You only know you’re of the Flare old guard if you remember it without Googling!
Funny thing is there’s a coloured-in version someone did on DeviantArt...
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Shipingtons!
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Another one there coming into Spacedock, bottom right.
[ July 23, 2020, 10:05 PM: Message edited by: Lee ]
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Fucking YIKES.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
I still can't figure out how everything is suppose to fit in that saucer unless Starfleet has learned TARDIS technology.
Posted by o2 (Member # 907) on :
Looks like to me that all five ships in those two screenshots are actually the same class, although two of them are flying upside-down (for whatever reason). Those ships remind me of the USS Centaur...
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
There are lots of other saucer-only classes in Starfleet.
I see 4 different classes in those pictures.
1.) The one above the starbase seems to have a pod or secondary hull from which the pylons extend.
2.) Romulan warbird-esque ship left of the starbase and entering the starbase
3.) Miranda-esque ship right of the starbase and under the Cerritos. Could be #2 flipped.
4.) California class
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
#2 and #3 definitely look like the same design, flipped.
#2 reminds me of that initial Reliant study model with the nacelles above the saucer.
#3 looks like an Akira with Miranda (extended primary hull) and Centaur (the placing and angle of pylons) elements.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Sorry, I have to agree with o2. With the exception of the Cerritos, all the other ships look exactly the same to me, with some just flipped upside down presumably to give some sense of ‘difference.’ But they are just generic far background ships with minimal detail, so I don’t really care. I’m sure if there are other ships in the show that feature prominently, they’ll be better detailed.
Although the Cerritos herself isn’t all that detailed, so who the heck knows.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
That one above Spacedock is different to the two on either side. And, I mean, look, nobody’s making too much of these ships, but, hey, how long have we wanted to see post-VOY ships? It’s hardly worth being blasé and jaded about it, but neither are we trying to make anything major out of it, even if, technically speaking, these are canon. If that means anything anymore. Or if you prefer to start picking & choosing what is canon based on your aesthetic opinions of any given Trek property.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
I thought the one above Spacedock was different too, but I think it just looks different from that angle. I could be wrong though, since as I said, the ships are too far in the background to make out specific details other than ‘saucer section, nacelles, and pylons.’
And if that rant about ‘canon’ was aimed at me, I’m not sure what you mean. I never said these ships aren’t canon.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Not particularly. I just feel that top ship definitely looks different. Sure it’s another iteration of the Miranda configuration but length and angle of nacelles and the saucer make it distinct.
It’s annoying, because the other ship looks better with nacelles under, so we could just shrug and say the one with nacelles over was just flying upside down for some reason. But there’s also a pair of them in the Spacedock, and the one we’d want to say is upside down is the one flying in through the doors, and why would you enter Spacedock upside down?
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Probably because the animators aren’t taking this anywhere near as seriously as the fans are.
But if I were to put on my Flare hat, I’d say that there’s precedence here, what with the reuse of the Jenolan in DS9 as a transport which flies in and docks at the station while upside down.
Posted by o2 (Member # 907) on :
I'm just glad not to see any generic Excelsiors or Mirandas any more, but something new that fits the 2380s. And maybe we get a better look at those ships/that ship in the cause of the series.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Other than the one above Spacedock (or whatever Spacedock-style station it might be), they all look like the same design to me. I don't see any way that the other ship could be the same, though. It appears to be a traditional saucer->neck->secondary hull->nacelles design, just with the nacelles going down instead of up. It's hard to tell, but it looks like the saucer might have more of a Voyageresque arrowhead shape.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
The top ship definitely has a neck of sorts, even if one just to run two pylons off the bottom of. If you were going to do a Miranda version of an Intrepid (unless you consider that to be the Yeager), this might be how you'd do it.
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
quote:Originally posted by o2: I'm just glad not to see any generic Excelsiors or Mirandas any more, but something new that fits the 2380s. And maybe we get a better look at those ships/that ship in the cause of the series.
I like random excelsiors and Miranda’s. Utility! Reuseable design , built martian tough
Posted by o2 (Member # 907) on :
Don't get me wrong, I like those classes very much. But I very much like to see Intrepids, Defiants, Akiras and Steamrunners in this post-Nemesis time period.
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lee: It was a thing I threw together in MS Paint in about 1998. You only know you’re of the Flare old guard if you remember it without Googling!
Now you really do make me feel old ;-)
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Ancient...
Posted by o2 (Member # 907) on :
With the new 'This Season on Star Trek Lower Decks' trailer it is clear that we have at least two different ships types (besides the California-Class): One Miranda-like ship type (look at time code 0:51) and then another one with a triangle-shaped dish (or whatever) beneath the saucer section (at 0:59).
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Or you could look at the second page of this thread...
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Can't tell if it's one of the kind(s) we've seen already.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I’m not 100% certain, but I think it’s the same type as the ship in the lower right corner of the first picture on page 2.
Posted by o2 (Member # 907) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lee: New starship in this image:
Can't tell if it's one of the kind(s) we've seen already.
Congratulation, Lee, you found the ship that I marked with the 0:51 timestamp.
Posted by o2 (Member # 907) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: I’m not 100% certain, but I think it’s the same type as the ship in the lower right corner of the first picture on page 2.
I believe it is indeed a new ship. The angle of the pylons are not the same. The one from the previous page has an acute angle (maybe like the USS Centaur), and the new ship has curved ones, more like the Nebula.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Actually, there are two new ships in the shot. the boxy thing is a starship too, no?
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
There's a good picture of the MSD and it explains the significance of the yellow paint job.
Posted by o2 (Member # 907) on :
Yes, the yellow paint job is an interesting new concept!
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
“Ops, ops, ops, storage, ops. Actually, there’s like a ton of ops. It’s like ‘Guys, I think we have ops covered.’”
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
According to that MSD, the ship seems awfully well-stocked with dune buggies.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Okay, I can get behind that concept (re: the yellow strioe).
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
So why didn’t the USS Pasteur have blue stripes then? Or are they saying it’s just this one hitherto-unseen class which did it?
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
It had the cadeuceus, which maybe overrode it. Also, maybe these ships were started at the end of the war.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Or maybe, y’know, it’s a stylistic decision that changes as often as Starfleet changes its uniforms? Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
That, basically. It just feels like one of these half-arsed things that gets thrown into the canon and then is never mentioned again. Like the Doctor (no, not the EMH) being half-human, that kind of thing.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
To be fair, the USS Pasteur was part of a future in which the E-D was still around and had a third nacelle stuck onto it (assuming that it was even a real timeline and not something Q was implanting directly into Picard's head). I think it's okay to contradict anything shown in the future parts of AGT at this point.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Episode 4 features the California class USS Merced NCC-87075 with Science blue livery. I think this is the first NCC-registry starting with 8 (not counting the ones from TNG Conspiracy).
Captain Freeman served aboard the USS Illinois at one point in her career.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
That’s quite a jump in registry numbers considering the show takes place only one year after Nemesis. I hope that when PIC season two happens and they show more Starfleet vessels, by 2500 they will have had a new registry system in place. I’d much rather see registries of NCV-25 than NCC-103564.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
And next week, the USS Vancouver NCC-70492.
Yes, that’s correct: every ship in this show so far has been named after a place in the Americas. Potentially even just North America - there is a Quito in the USA, too. Come off it, CBS.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Yeah, I’m an American and even I’m getting annoyed about that. Although I’m pretty sure the Quito is an Equador class starship Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
...A Tellarite named Durango? What's next, a Vulcan named Bob?
Posted by 137th Gebirg (Member # 2692) on :
We had a Vulcan named “Oh”.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Don't you dare besmirch the good name of Bob of Vulcan.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
I do like the idea of the color markings that denote the function of the ship.
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shik: ...A Tellarite named Durango? What's next, a Vulcan named Bob?
Bob is a perfectly cromulent logical name for a Vulcan. Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lee: And next week, the USS Vancouver NCC-70492.
Yes, that’s correct: every ship in this show so far has been named after a place in the Americas. Potentially even just North America - there is a Quito in the USA, too. Come off it, CBS.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
So this registry makes it a contemporary of the Galaxy, Nebula and Cheyenne classes - and older than the USS Galaxy (though there are Nebulas - Nebulae? - that are as well). And the saucer would appear to fit...
Interestingly, it also makes this a contemporary of the Andromeda class. You don't think..?
USS Prokofiev NCC-68814 USS Drake NCC-70956
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I think there should be a scene with a nonhuman Starfleet captain who complains that he got assigned a ship named after some little town on Earth instead of a major city on his or her homeworld.
That being said, I absolutely adore the design of the Vancouver! It looks like a great complement to the Galaxy class.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lee: Interestingly, it also makes this a contemporary of the Andromeda class. You don't think..?
USS Prokofiev NCC-68814 USS Drake NCC-70956
Nope, I'm guessing the Vancouver is going to be of the British Columbia class.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I’m afraid you’re probably right. Hopefully the “all ships of a class must have names in common with, or be of a subset of, the class ship name” thing won’t propagate any further than it has already. I mean, it’s nonsensical to begin with - we only know of two canon examples:
- USS Ahwahnee, Cheyenne-class - USS Titan, Luna-class
... and even then they’re minor examples, of varying degrees of solid canonicity. Quite happy to ignore the rest of the Luna-class range, I doubt it’ll ever come up in filmed Trek.
OK, the Danube, but then given they were basically large shuttles and naming them (if at all) was at the commander’s discretion, I wouldn’t call it a valid piece of evidence.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Unlike us, I don’t think the conjectural classes from the Star Trek Encyclopedia are even a glimmer in the LDS writers’ thoughts. The only thing we know now is that the class ship for the Merced class is no longer in service, and I’m sure it wasn’t because anyone was thinking about the Trieste and her sister ships at all.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: Unlike us, I don’t think the conjectural classes from the Star Trek Encyclopedia are even a glimmer in the LDS writers’ thoughts.
Considering how many incredibly deep-cut references there are in the dialogue and the animation, I’m not so sure that’s true. But it’s probably not as high priority as it is for us.
As for theme naming... don’t forget the Constitution class! Most of them —well, the ones seen on-screen and specifically intended to be like the Enterprise— were named after old seagoing warships.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
The Vancouver is a Parliament-class vessel.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Bit weird them mentioning the class in the introductory dialogue though. How often does that ever happen?
Next time there's something labelled NCC-502. The USS Antares was NCC-501.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Kudos for not having the class be British Columbia. But like Lee, I would have preferred they used the conjectural class names since it’s so close to an Andromeda class ship. This would be the perfect opportunity to make designs for those classes.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:Bit weird them mentioning the class in the introductory dialogue though. How often does that ever happen?
I suppose one of TPTB must be a fellow ship geek.
The Quito was shown as an Olympic-class vessel docked at DS9.
Vancouver shuttles were named after neighborhoods of the city: Fairview, Kitsilano and Marpole.
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