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Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
 
I just received a copy of Starfleet Prototype in the mail today. I bought the copy from David Schmidt, who had a box of copies of the book that never made it to stores (or something like that). Anyways, I was looking through the book and found three ships that I had never seen before: The USS Conquest (DN 2589) class dreadnought, the USS Dahlgren (CS 2567) clas strike cruiser and the USS Valor (CE 2830) class exploratory cruiser. These three ships bare a striking resemblance to the Belknap family of ships, with the Conquest, Dahlgren, and Valor having similiar configurations to the Ascension, Belknap, and Athabaska, respectively. What I'm wondering is how come these have never been scanned and catalogued at, say, the SSDB before? I did a Google search on these ships and all I found was text references. Can anyone shed some light on this? Dave?
 
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Would you like to borrow a flashlight?
 
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
 
The answer would be: "Because"
 
Posted by Akira (Member # 850) on :
 
can you post them i would love to see them or email me.
 
Posted by Fructose (Member # 309) on :
 
I must have an older version, because my book doesn't have those. Weird.
 
Posted by O Captain Mike Captain (Member # 709) on :
 
wasnt there some skunking about with Ships of the Star Fleet charging plagiarism to the people who were ripping off their ship designs. i think Starfleet Dynamics had to change the names (and shapes) of some of their ships because they were reprinting or representing Mastercom's designs.

All moot because i think Viacom slapped all of their asses shortly thereafter.
 
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
 
Well, these ships are near the back of the book, under the TacResFleet section. There are references earlier in the book to the Dahlgren, even once with the registry 2501. I would hope that was typo on Dave's part. And for the scanning, I don't know. The images might be too big for my scanner. Plus, it's a new book and the edges of the images would be in the crease, so there'd be some shading there...
 
Posted by O Captain Mike Captain (Member # 709) on :
 
Yes i found my copy of Schmidt's Dynamics, and the classes have the same names in that book, Dahlgren, etc..

theres a blurb that specifically mentions that the book has been altered from previous versions because they were using Mastercom's designs and didnt wish to plagiarize.

a few of the ships are even rough around the edges where they pasted a replacement over whatever was on the original printing plate.
 
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
 
I have a copy of SfD that has the Belknap-Ascension-Athabaska in it. I did some scans and I have uploaded images of the Dahlgren-Conquest-Valor. These are probably the ships you see in your copy of SfD, Mike. Like I said, very close to the Belknap-Ascension-Athabaska.
 
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by O Captain Mike Captain:
a few of the ships are even rough around the edges where they pasted a replacement over whatever was on the original printing plate.

. . . which is one way of explaining why the pages are stuck together, I guess. . .
 
Posted by Akira (Member # 850) on :
 
Can Someone post any other pages for me out of this book like Reg for my Registry List?

I need any book Registrys except ships of the fleet vol. 1 revised and 2.
 
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
 
Feel free to scan & post.
 
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
 
FYI: I did not plagerize - I made reference (homage?) to earlier work in order to preserve continuity - making reference also to existing publications.

Probably the same way the other author used the Enterprise...

Which I mentioned to him...
 
Posted by Akira (Member # 850) on :
 
come on some one has to have more designs than this. I will get the books some time or another.

how do you guys draw these things ?
 
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
 
Archangel SC 2294
Asmodeus CV 200
S'Harien CG 3107
Athabaska CE 2560
Ranger CL 2701
Starstalker CP 2117
Thruxton CT 2761
Siva DD 520
Scimitar DF 2901
Pharris FS 3537
Clarke CP 100
Greer CR 472
Dupliex PA 2346
Monoceros ST 601
Phantom SS 2951
Schmidt TT 800
Adamant DNF 3029
Davenport CV 2635
Conquest DN 2589
Dahlgren CS 2567
Valor CE 2830
Constant CG 3321 (resembles S'Harien)
Miranda FH 1890 (duh)
Exultant FR 1978 (looks like a Knox to me...)
Gagarin SV 630 (what the Oberth was called before it was Oberth)

Those are all the ships in SfP. They're all prototype ships, so the classes are named after them.
 


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