Does anyone has a clue to how fast is Hyperspace compared to Warp? I always assumed it was Warp 1 due to the fact thats its called "Lightspeed" but i could be wrong. Any canon on this?
Blair
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
If by "canon" you mean the movies, then no. Nothing at all. In any way, shape, or form. Nothing. Aside from the fact that it would obviously have to be faster than warp one, otherwise (unless the SW galaxy is significantly different from ours) all the journeys would take years.
Going into fan thoughts and the expanded universe, it's considered anywhere from "roughly the same as warp" to "5 billion times faster. And a Star Destroyer would beat the Enterprise, here are some sums I did to prove it, I am right, nyah." Those are usually based on several lines in the films which seem to indicate that the ships are travelling all over the galaxy. But then they had lines in TOS that indicated the same thing, so in the end, it depends on whether you are obsessive about the length of the Defiant, or obsessive about the length of the Executor.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Add to the confusion that Hyperspace seens MUCH slower in the original trilogy than in Ep II. I think Lucas revise Hyprspace a LOT (no suprise there) to make his stories flow better.
Near as I can tell: Original Trilogy- Hyperspace is based on how well your engine can manipulate it (kinda like Warp) and thus the Falcon is "the fastest hunk of junk" while a Star Destroyer is "fast" but nowhere near as fast. The Falcon can probably do something equivalent of warp 7 (damn fast!) but planets still take between days and weeks to arrive at (training time for luke, dontcha know ) Episode I-II: Even very small fighters like Obi-Wan's arrive at their destination almost immeadeately with no real time elapsing for either the pilots or the galaxy itself during the trip. (that's how Anikin and Amidalia got to Geonosis so damn quick) This means that Hyperspace is faster than Transwarp. It's also the only real way it can be a "Galactic" Empire.
Any way to look at it, Star Wars capital ships move like narcoleptic snails when manuvering in a system (not FTL)and Trek ships do not.
Apples and Oranges, in other words
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
I thought, that when talking to Obi and Luke, Han mentioned that the Falcon did .5 over C on the Kessel Run, making for a small galaxy, but I guess that they could really be in a globular cluster far far away.....
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
At the end of The Empire Strikes Back, they show the Falcon rendezvousing with the Rebel fleet way off the ecliptic of the galaxy. It must still be in the galaxy because Vader says "What of the reports of the Rebel fleet massing at Sollust?". Maybe Sollust is way off the ecliptic.
Anyway, Hyperspace has got to be faster then any warp factor to get there in what appeared to be a matter of days, maybe weeks at most. ROTJ takes place less then a year later so the travel times must be fairly short, since Lando needed time to set up shop in Jabba's Palace.
I would equate Hyperdrive speed with Transwarp or Quantum Slipstream rather then any conventional warp factor.
And when Han said "she'll do .5 past lightspeed", that doesn't nescessarily mean a percentage of the speed of light beyond c. He could mean 5 points beyond lightspeed on a Hyperspace scale. Maybe each point representing 10 / 100 / 1,000 times c or something?
Posted by WizArtist (Member # 1095) on :
I think trying to establish speed in the Star Wars universe is like asking how do you make a coherent light beam jump out 3 feet and vanish.
Technically....shouldn't the light sabers have gone THROUGH each other rather than clanging? Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"The Falcon can probably do something equivalent of warp 7..."
It's got to be much faster than that to travel all the way from Tatooine (a world out on the Rim) to Alderaan (near the galactic core) in what seemed like a few hours.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Where do you get your planet locations though? The RPG's? West End Games had a nifty explanation for hyperspace speeds in a Hyperspace multiplier: Lower numbers meant less time needed in hyperspace to reach a destination. For example, a SD had a x5 multiplier while the Falcon had a x2.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cartman: It's got to be much faster than that to travel all the way from Tatooine (a world out on the Rim) to Alderaan (near the galactic core) in what seemed like a few hours.
Well.....the Enterprise in STV sure got to the galactic core quickly Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
Think of SW hyperspace as being like Star Trek's transwarp conduits...
When they talk about the Falcon being fast, I had thought that it was normal-space fast. What would be the point of out-running something in hyperspace, when you can't see it
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Considering that they wanted to get to Alderaan fast, I was of the mind that Luke was asking about hyperspace travel.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I don't think you can use Empire as any sort of basis of speed, since the Empire chased the Falcon from Hoth to Anoat. Unless you are suggesting that they chased the ship for weeks. Never mind the fact that the Falcon went from Hoth to Anoat to Bespin without the aid of a hyperdrive.
And regarding Han's comments about ".5 past lightspeed", I'd really take anything he was saying with a pinch of salt, considering the "Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs" comment. (And yes, I know the novelists and whatnot have gone to great lengths to explain that. But I prefer the simplest explanation - that he was bullshitting.) Even if we assume that he meant it could outrun cruisers in normal space, it doesn't put in too good a showing when chased by SD in ANH and Empire, does it?
quote:Originally posted by Bond, James Bond: At the end of The Empire Strikes Back, they show the Falcon rendezvousing with the Rebel fleet way off the ecliptic of the galaxy. It must still be in the galaxy because Vader says "What of the reports of the Rebel fleet massing at Sollust?". Maybe Sollust is way off the ecliptic.
How do we know that the Rebel Fleet was at Sollust at the end of Empire? They had ages to fly somewhere else. Never mind that the "fleet" consisted of one frigate, a handful of fighters, and some transports. A pretty piss poor fleet by any stretch of the imagination.
And I really, really, really hope you're not trying to explainthat galaxy model we see at the end of Empire. Because there's no way at all they could be THAT far out from the galaxy and still be seeing stars. Never mind the fact that the Falcon appears to fly behind the galaxy-like object.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
The galaxy was painted onto the window so that the occupants of the ship would always have a pretty view no matter where the ship was.
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: I don't think you can use Empire as any sort of basis of speed, since the Empire chased the Falcon from Hoth to Anoat. Unless you are suggesting that they chased the ship for weeks. Never mind the fact that the Falcon went from Hoth to Anoat to Bespin without the aid of a hyperdrive.
And regarding Han's comments about ".5 past lightspeed", I'd really take anything he was saying with a pinch of salt, considering the "Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs" comment. (And yes, I know the novelists and whatnot have gone to great lengths to explain that. But I prefer the simplest explanation - that he was bullshitting.) Even if we assume that he meant it could outrun cruisers in normal space, it doesn't put in too good a showing when chased by SD in ANH and Empire, does it?
quote:Originally posted by Bond, James Bond: At the end of The Empire Strikes Back, they show the Falcon rendezvousing with the Rebel fleet way off the ecliptic of the galaxy. It must still be in the galaxy because Vader says "What of the reports of the Rebel fleet massing at Sollust?". Maybe Sollust is way off the ecliptic.
How do we know that the Rebel Fleet was at Sollust at the end of Empire? They had ages to fly somewhere else. Never mind that the "fleet" consisted of one frigate, a handful of fighters, and some transports. A pretty piss poor fleet by any stretch of the imagination.
And I really, really, really hope you're not trying to explain that galaxy model we see at the end of Empire. Because there's no way at all they could be THAT far out from the galaxy and still be seeing stars. Never mind the fact that the Falcon appears to fly behind the galaxy-like object.
You gave 3 examples in this post alone stating how Lucas is an idiot in regards to interstellar travel yet somehow I'm in the wrong for claiming that he intended the big "galaxy model" (even you called it that) at the end of The Empire Strikes Back to actually be the galaxy?
Maybe, just maybe, he screwed the pooch on this one? Just a thought.
Maybe they aren't at Sollust since they did have plenty of time to go elsewhere, but I distinctly got the impression at the end of Empire that that is supposed to be the galaxy.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: The galaxy was painted onto the window so that the occupants of the ship would always have a pretty view no matter where the ship was.
It's the Galactic Empire Parking Decal. The outrageous parking fees are what inspired the Rebellion in the first place, you know...
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
and even had to pay on Sundays too....
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I think trying to establish speed in the Star Wars universe is like asking how do you make a coherent light beam jump out 3 feet and vanish. Technically....shouldn't the light sabers have gone THROUGH each other rather than clanging?
Terminology in Star Wars is never literal. Lightsabers aren't made of light any more than photon torpedoes have anything to do with photons. Further, lightspeed is significantly faster than light, and turbolasers are nothing like actual lasers. Oh, and The Force is more like The Field, because force implies acceleration, but that's stretching even for me.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Yeah, but Obi-Wan saying "Play the Field, Luke" really loses the magic for me....
Though it might have kept him from kissing his sister (shudder!).
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Maybe they aren't at Sollust..."
Well, we have OmegaLust, so I guess it was only a matter of time before we got SolLust. Especially if the rumors are true.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
You're right. You ARE turning into Magnus.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Heaven help us all.
quote:Originally posted by Bond, James Bond: You gave 3 examples in this post alone stating how Lucas is an idiot in regards to interstellar travel yet somehow I'm in the wrong for claiming that he intended the big "galaxy model" (even you called it that) at the end of The Empire Strikes Back to actually be the galaxy?
Maybe, just maybe, he screwed the pooch on this one? Just a thought.
Or maybe, just maybe, he didn't have anything to do with it. You think he's responsible for the placement of every single SFX and model seen in the films? You really think the scripts said "Oh yeah, and make sure there's a model of a galaxy out of the window".
quote:Maybe they aren't at Sollust since they did have plenty of time to go elsewhere, but I distinctly got the impression at the end of Empire that that is supposed to be the galaxy.
That's great for you. I got the distinct impression that Jeff really wanted to get into my pants, but that has failed to happen.
I mean, seriously, what are you basing that on? There's nothing in the dialogue, set-up, or anything else at all to imply where they are, apart from the obvious "not near the Empire".
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I DO think Lucas would have had the shot planned FAR in advance of it's execution (everything had storyboards!) but the idea of the frigate being billions of miles away from the galactic rim is idiotic at best.
If they coud travel that far, that fast, whay not just relocate to another galaxy all together?
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
The Jedi tried, and failed, well, except the birdie in the books....
'Cause the war with evil wasn't over....
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I DO think Lucas would have had the shot planned FAR in advance of it's execution (everything had storyboards!) but the idea of the frigate being billions of miles away from the galactic rim is idiotic at best.
Was it Lucas though, or ILM? Did Lucas look at it and think "Yes, this is showing that I wanted the shot to be taking place a long way from the galactic core", or did he think "ooh, that's a pretty looking sun-with-cloud-around-it. Pretty. Oooh, buttons!"
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Probably some combonation of both. Normally I'd discount Lucas' having that much critical control over what is just a background, but it was the final-all omporntant- scene of thre movie where he had to establish the premise for the begining of RTOJ at then end of some pretty big losses for the heroes.
Everyone was watching that scene with rapt attention so I'm sure Lucas paid particular attention to every little thing before, during and after shooting, editing and test audiences.
This was back when Lucas really did have a vision for Star Wars after all. Posted by Capped in Mic (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN:
"Maybe they aren't at Sollust..."
Well, we have OmegaLust, so I guess it was only a matter of time before we got SolLust. Especially if the rumors are true.
quoted because many were thinking this
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Tell you what - why don't you simply check G2k page? Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Because that would be giving this whole arugment more effort than it's worth, quite frankly.
(I should point out here that I actually like G2K's page, but that's mainly because he manages to argue against SW-ships-are-better-than-ST-ships, while at the same time seeming to aknowledge that the whole thing is pointless. Because, as the end of the day, it is. We have concrete statements of how fast the ships in Star Trek are, and the producers have broken them since 1966. We have no idea how fast Star Wars ships are, and the rules that people have made up are also broken. Therefore - pointless).
Posted by kmart (Member # 1092) on :
None of this is worked out to any degree because it doesn't impact the story. GL treats space as background, just like a period piece where you frame your riders against a castle on a mountain. THAT is why the nebula/galaxy/globular cluster thing is out there at the end of EMPIRE, to make for a pretty picture.
Lucas was asked what was the ship window made out of during JEDI (I think it was ackbar's ship) and he actually said to Muren or some ILMer that when that kind of info is a story point, he would address it. But it wasn't and he didn't.
Now a different kind of storyteller would make a lot of the background stuff influence or contribute to the storytelling, or at least help form a framework for the storytelling. Those are the kinds of filmmakers I want to see doing period pics, ones who use the period for more than just window dressing. That's one reason I have high hopes for Asimov's FOUNDATION, now that the ELIZABETH director is involved. That is the kind of thinker who can deal with various aspects like visuals and intrigue in a way that works for modern audiences without trivializing the period being portrayed.
And one thing I found amazing was that the PHANTOM MENACE script kept referencing LASER SWORDS in the descriptive passages, not light sabers. I guess that was the case on the original SW script as well, and I wonder if it was looped in post. LASER SWORD would have sounded ludicrous even in the 50s ... But GL wouldn't have cared unless he felt it distracted/detracted for a hunk of the audience (which kind of brings us to the kessel/parsec shit, or to the fact that Alan Dean Foster offered GL different approaches that would not require KA-BLAMS in space but that GL demurred, saying audiences expected to hear these things blow up in vaccuuum, so he catered to that.)
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Although personally, I still think that the kessel/parsec thing was intentional. Look at Ben's face! He clearly knows that Han is making it up as he goes along.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
That's just Alec Guiness being a pro: I doubt that Lucas' script or directing had anything to with with that magic moment of real character. You'll see the same gem acting from Peter Cushing during the death star conference table scene.
How cool would it have been to have cast Peter Cushing as the Emporer instead of Tarkin? Chilly cool, that's what.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Although shooting the prequels would be difficult.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Yeah, but he's still outshine Hayden Christensen by a light year.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
And Ian McDiarmid doesn't?
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I really should have got the UK Flareites together to go see Christensen on stage during his "acting" stint in the West End, and we could all have thrown things. . .
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim: And Ian McDiarmid doesn't?
Of course he does, but so do most of the Ewoks.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Isn't hyperspace another demension or plane of travel with mass shadows where systems and other large objects (Black holes) are located? Or is that just BS? That would explain for the fact that it is either extremely difficult or impossible to track a ship coming into a system until it returns to realspace.
I can't remember where i read that. Possibly a Sourcebook, which still may be BS.
In any case I believe that hyperspace travel is much faster than Warp travel. The problem with Star Wars is that alot of the things possible in the universe can't be explained by our science, unlike Star Trek which generally seems more probable scientifically.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Except for transporters/replicators, alloy composition, radiation-types, communication, alien cultures, weapons, sensors, military protocols and warp speed I totally agree with you.
Posted by Capt.Blair245 (Member # 1113) on :
Well here is my conclusion to this. The inhabitants of the Star Wars Galaxy has been there a VERY long time. We have proof of that since i remember something about how the Rebublic was around for thousands of years. Combine the years so everyone has space travel and you pretty much have a lot of years of exploration around the galaxy. But those are my 2 cents around how they have traveled across the galaxy.
Blair
P.S. as for Sullust, can anyone say faulty intel? *cough*weaponsofmassdestruction*cough* Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I agree tat the Republic was around for thousands of years (or mabye several hundred "standard years"). Trek is a much younger galaxy by spacefaring standards: we've almost never encounterd races in Trek with that kind of time in apace (Borg, The Dominion and the horribly stupid Voth being the obvious exceptions). Races that old in Trek tend to evolve into disembodied voices or bright special effects....
Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
I just assume that Hyperspace travel is relatively slow, and that the Star Wars galaxy is really really small, with minute distances between systems (hence the short time for the MF to get to Bespin without hyperdrive).
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Assuming that lack of hyperdrive = slower than lightspeed, the distance would have to be even less than minute. Going by onscreen evidence, Anoat would seem to be less than one light day away from Hoth, and probably much, much less.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Unless the Falcon piggybacked to Anoat on that ISD or the actual trip to Bespin took months (which is somewhat supported by Luke leaping ahead in his training so much during the course of the movie) rather than days.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Well they can't have piggybacked becuase the whole crux was that the Empire always jettisons their garbage before jumping to hyperspace, AM I RITE GUYS?!
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Quiet, you.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Yeah, they jettison their garbage, but the Falcon was hooked on of its own accord. They purposefully released with the rest of the garbage to be less noticable.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cartman: Unless the Falcon piggybacked to Anoat on that ISD or the actual trip to Bespin took months (which is somewhat supported by Luke leaping ahead in his training so much during the course of the movie) rather than days.
This is the most likely senario: The falcon creeped along for at least several weeks to a few months to get to Bespin. Bespin was astronomically extremely close to Anoat: probably one system over with the Falcon cruising along as close to lightspeed as they could get. Luke trained with Yoda all that time 24/7 and his innate force abilities allowed him to learn more than the gradual pace of the Jedi from Ep I-II.
Of course, this also means Boba Fett trailed along behind the Falcon for a loooong damn time. Hope he had some good movies to watch or something on Slave One.
West End games speculated that the Falcon (indeed all hyperdrive capable ships) had a emergency hyperdrive that allowed for slightly faster than lightspeed travel under extreme conditions. So the Falcon really could have gotten to Bespin within their lifetimes. Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
But don't they show the ship stretching away, as if attaining FTL velocities????
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
No....not in the original version at least. Gotta check the SE.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
And in the original trilogy, we always got starlines when a hero ship (or ships) jumped to hyperspace on screen. They didn't show just one effect without the other.
--Jonah
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ritten: But don't they show the ship stretching away, as if attaining FTL velocities????
Maybe the ship doesn't strech because it enters the realm of hyperspace before ataining FTL velocity, maybe a ship enters hyperspace just before breaking the light barrier
I like to think of hyperspace as another dimension or plane of existence tied directly to realspace, that would explain for the blue tunnel that ships travel through.
BTW: I went to starwars.com, and that website said that hyperspace is another dimension as well. I dunno if I trust this website tho, might just be the website operator BSing.
No, the SE also doesn't show the ship "stretching" away.
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: West End games speculated that the Falcon (indeed all hyperdrive capable ships) had a emergency hyperdrive that allowed for slightly faster than lightspeed travel under extreme conditions. So the Falcon really could have gotten to Bespin within their lifetimes.
Except, y'know, if they had an emergency hyperdrive, why didn't they use it to escape the star destroyers?
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Okay, thanks....
Of course, that doesn't mean that they didn't go FTL after clearing the trash a bit...
Oh, and to answer the question, faster than I can run....
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: No, the SE also doesn't show the ship "stretching" away.
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: West End games speculated that the Falcon (indeed all hyperdrive capable ships) had a emergency hyperdrive that allowed for slightly faster than lightspeed travel under extreme conditions. So the Falcon really could have gotten to Bespin within their lifetimes.
Except, y'know, if they had an emergency hyperdrive, why didn't they use it to escape the star destroyers?
Mabye it's not something usually installed on the Falcon. They were sure installing or seriously repairing something after they first got away and into the asteroid field: they'd already said the hyperdrive was shot IIRC. ...and it's not like the falcon is "stock" or anything: I could easily see Solo scrapping his backup drive to repair the main one when parts and cash were scarce. Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
But then they'd have had to have flown to Bespin without hyperdrive.
THINK MAN!
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Well, for starters, the SW galaxy is not a carbon copy of the Milky Way. People with more time on their hands than I have deduced it down to the Pisces Dwarf Galaxy (or whatever it's called -- I can't find it now), to account for the ET's being able to visit Earth and also be in the Senate, and to account for the nearby spiral galaxy seen at the end of ESB, and to account for the short travel times and densely-packed star systems, and so on.
--Jonah
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: But then they'd have had to have flown to Bespin without hyperdrive.
THINK MAN!
You misunderstand: I'm saying they had all the needed parts rebuild/create the emergency drive but they had to take everything they could salvage from the burnt out hyperdrive to do it. Like in Junkyard Wars when they build an engine from a couple of wrecked cars that would never run on their own. The falcon's probably full of things that either dont run or need just a few repairs....but like any old car, you have to spend money on the vital repairs first. Like driving around on your spare tire instead of getting a new one. Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
quote: People with more time on their hands than I have deduced it down to the Pisces Dwarf Galaxy (or whatever it's called -- I can't find it now), to account for the ET's being able to visit Earth and also be in the Senate
People with more time on their hands is the polite way to put it. People too crazy to be in a Hunter S. Thompson book would be more accurate.
Posted by Aya (Member # 1148) on :
Let's put it this way, a capital ship like an ISD could go from one end of the SW galaxy to the other in a few hours or days.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
That narrows it down greatly....
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
You've never heard how fast hyperspace is? It's fast enough for you... Old man.
Posted by japol (Member # 1149) on :
Well Han Solo was full of it:
"She's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs."
A parsec is a measure of distance, not speed.
Obi Wan knew it too. Check out the look he gives Han after he says it.
My friends call any look you give someone when you know they are BSing you a "kessel run look."
We are a sad bunch. Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Indeed you are.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Although, not much more sad than the average Flarite.... But still worse....
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
I think the Trilogy of Han Solo books that came out a few years back, I can't remembe rthe name of it, I think it was written by A.C Crispin or something to that effect explained the 12 parsec thing. It said that Han flew so close to the black holes of the Maw, that it bend space and time, making the distance shorter. Hence 12 parsecs.
Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :
Wasn't it The Crystal Planet or something like that? I think the BS idea is better, but at least they tried.
Posted by japol (Member # 1149) on :
Yeah... I read that one. The explanation was rather tortured. I like the BS thing better too.
Sob... at least Han is interesting about that... don't take that away from me George Lucas... like the awful Greedo thing. Wah!
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Well, the parsec explanation doesn't make much sense... Even if he plotted shorter route, it only proves that he's good with plotting course. It doesn't say anything about vessel speed.
And Greedo did not shoot first. It was a flare reflected from the weather baloon passing through the ionized gases expelled from the Tatoo 1 Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Yes, we all know it was Wedge that shot first, duh! (sic)
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
It means he plotted a course that most ships couldn't follow, because they'd be too slow to escape the gravity well(s) of the black hole cluster. To get away from Kessel, around the Maw, and into open space -- and away from any blockade vessels -- normally takes, say, 18 parsecs. But the Falcon was fast enough for Han to cut closer to the Maw and trim some distance off the run. What isn't mentioned is that he was desperately running from people shooting at him. He thought he was dead.
--Jonah
Posted by Intruder1701 (Member # 880) on :
Wedge Antillies is the shizit!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Yes, well... My friends and I have had a long-running joke that Wedge will die of a sudden heart attack and the SW universe will spontaneously implode.
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