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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Reverend: [QB] Isn't this the old "Carl Sagan has a dragon in his garage" argument? While I completely agree that non-religious scientist types can be dogmatic about what they believe, I can't accept the notion that because science can prove something for a fact then it's better to believe in a bunch of made-up stories that have probably been so distorted over the millennia they could have started life as a recipe for mammoth stew. Science may not have all the answers (how could it?) but for the most part *real* scientists base their theories on observable facts and then test them to destruction and see if they hold up. If not, great, now we know how it doesn't work, on to the next theory! Whatever your personal feelings may be on the subject, the fact remains that there are literally millions of pieces of evidence that support the idea that we evolved from a puddle of organic molecules without any direct intervention whatsoever at any stage in the process and not ONE that backs up the claim that the planet is 8000 years, that a single human (then a mono-gendered species) magically popped into existence and hung around for a while until a female counterpart was fashioned out of a rib bone. It sound like I'm just being facetious, but I'm dead serious, this is the claim of Christians who say the Bible is right. Leap of faith my arse. It's a security blanket for people to fool themselves into ignoring the mind crushingly vastness of the universe and the utter lack of purpose to our existence, beyond what purpose we choose for ourselves. "Masterpiece of order"? Seriously? At the risk of sounding like a nihilist (which I'm really not btw) have you taken a look around lately? There are trillions of bloody huge rocks zipping around, any one of which could reduce us into our constituent atoms. Stars clump and smash together, whole galaxies collide with one another and most of the left over debris we call planets are sterile rocks. This isn't order, it's chaos and we quite simply don't matter and that's a thought that most people just can't cope with. My attitude that IF the was a god and IF he did all this and has some great master plan then it's utterly pointless believing in the conniving git since he'll get his way no matter what we do or don't do. All we can be sure of is that the universe exists, we're apparently and there's a bloody awful lot of hydrogen atoms in here with us. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cartman: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Aban Rune: [qb]Can anyone prove that an intelligent being created the universe? If it means being able to point to God and say "There he is," then no, noone can. But the fact is, evolutionary theory can do no better.[/qb][/QUOTE]"Evolutionary theory" says nothing and is not supposed to say anything about the creation of the universe, because that is the domain of [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmogony]cosmogony[/URL] (with [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang]this[/URL] being the current accepted scientific account of the "how"). It also does not say much about how life formed from inorganic matter, because that is the domain of [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis]abiogenesis[/URL]. [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution]Evolution[/URL] "only" says a lot about how life as we know it changes (ie. develops, ie. [i]evolves[/i]) over time. Your comparison makes no sense. Just FYI. [/qb][/QUOTE]It's a common mistake a lot of religious people seem to make. The way I see it, in most cases, their creation myths have the universe created especially for humans, who show up pretty soon after the proverbial fresh paint has dried. They often don't realise that science, by way of observable facts has found no special connection between the creation of the universe and the existence of human life on Earth...beyond the obvious. They just take it for granted. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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