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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lee: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by WizArtist II: [qb] Islam is still a religion that says: "You are a follower of Islam or you are an infidel" And the result of the latter is not pleasant. The strict adherents to Islamic doctrine will not be appeased till the entire planet is ran by Islamic governments and those that are Jews and Christians are no longer. [/qb][/QUOTE]As he's already acknowledged, Wiz is a conservative. It just would have been a nice change to meet one who didn't spout this drivel. "Infidel" means "non-believer." So, yes, someone who doesn't believe in Allah is a non-believer. The term however dervies from old French and was probably applied first to Saracens during the Crusades - Muslims, in other words. Now, Islam is actually quite a tolerant religion. It is, as ever, the extremists who get the attention. Christianity also had its extremists, still does, but a lot of that is in our past (The Crusades,against Islamic presence in the Holy Land but also against the Albigensian Heresy and many, many others; the Inquisition; witch-burning; hundreds of years of Colonial missionary activities; and lots more). Islamic extremism has gained its prominence in reaction to the incursion of foreign [i]mores[/i] in the Information Age, as well as resentment of Western interference in their affairs. So, what this boils down to is, you have two polarised groups of socio-religious conservatives both saying "if you're not with us, you're aganist us," with the rest us a silent majority. Meanwhile, to get back to the original political point of this thread, it seems to me that the big problem is there's very little to separate the two main parties. What decides who you vote for is the other stuff - in the US, it's the perceived connection between the Republicans and the Religious Right, or that between the Democrats and a Welfare State; in the UK, it's the connection between the Conservatives and the aristocracy, or between Labour and the Unions. Putting all that aside, the policies of either party vary very little. In the UK we have the same problem as Omega. Labour just aren't doing it for me anymore. But I know that the Conservatives will be even worse. We do at least have a third party with some clout, the Liberal Democrats, but many refuse to see them as a viable option. The usual "they'll never get enough votes overall, so why should I waste my vote on them?" opinion pervades. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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