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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Guardian 2000: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Vanguard: [qb] It's because they'll regurgitate the talking points (Bush is a War Criminal)[/qb][/QUOTE]Dear god, did somebody really say that? It's kind of a litmus test thing. There are levels of another person's mental absurdity and your own required defense condition level. DEFCON 1: NUCLEAR WAR "9/11 Truth"ers who claim Bush destroyed/allowed-the-destruction-of the towers. This is Bush Derangement Syndrome to its maximal extent, and a majority of the time is indicative of the emotional problems shared by most conspiracy loons. (This is not necessarily a leftist problem, mind you, as conspiracist lunacy of this level can be shared among those holding any philosophical extremes.) No attempt to reason with such people is going to be effective. Even attempts to reason with or trick the individual toward their own self-interest is fruitless, as their looniness is invariably self-destructive, and they could snap at any moment. Back away slowly with defenses raised. DEFCON 2: CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS "Bush is a war criminal", or "baby-killer", or "hates black people", or whatever . . . extremist speak is the mantra of this group. This is a somewhat less crazed version of Bush Derangement Syndrome, but still absurd. The same irrational exuberance and extremist talk exists, but whether honestly or merely to be able to feign rationality these people don't go all the way to 9/11 ignorance. An example of this is a guy I heard on the radio the other day calling for the arrest of Bush on war crimes charges as part of some San Francisco group he runs. He claimed it gave him no pleasure to levy such charges against a president and country, but that's total crap and obviously so. He's devoted his life to that mess.* Clearly he gets his jollies by believing he (almost alone) knows the truth the hoi polloi has failed to realize, and it gives him a hippie mind-stiffy to "speak truth to power" and all that Alinsky-ist babble. Not to mention the pleasure of making the extreme (shock) statements, which is (I believe) and under-studied realm of psychology. (*Hell, me, I just have an old decrepit website featuring various verbal asskickings of loony fanboys by use of reason and their own rule set. Now suppose I claimed it gave me no pleasure to do it, ever. I'd be full of shit, wouldn't I?) However, these are the people who seriously claimed or believed it plausible that Bush had secret plans to declare martial law so as to suspend the election and remain in power. Instead of now recognizing that this idea was obviously false, leading to possible questions of the premises about Bush and his staff that led them to such erroneous claims, these folks probably believe that the plan maybe got cancelled because it was outed before it happened, or maybe some secret event occurred where Dear Leader Obama cleverly out-maneuvered the coup attempt, or some other such stupidity. But certainly the falsity was not because Bush actually *isn't* as bad as I heard from Kos, HuffPo, MSNBC, NBC, and NPR! No, never that! How to deal with this kind? I am really no expert on it. Ideally one should, as with DEFCON 1, leave them to their own absurd devices. However, the intartubes is awash in these addle-brained individuals, so frequent encounters are impossible to avoid. This is why I avoid threads swarming with leftists excepting those occasions where I'm feeling particularly masochistic/selfless. They cannot be fully reasoned with but you can 'buy them off' with a strong enough case for self-interest. We call this "compromise" in American politics. Just try to have fun with it and try not to let them agitate you. Don't feel bad if they *do* agitate you, but try to remind yourself that they *want* you so shocked and angry that you can barely think straight. These are the people who want us all to drive Priuses (Prii?), ignorant of or ignoring the fact that the infrastructure to make their specialized parts is more energy-intensive and environmentally damaging than that for a normal car. These are the people who wanted the disadvantaged to have "affordable housing", ignorant of or ignoring the fact that their policies produced a housing bubble (e.g. less-affordable housing) and permissive credit system which has now burst into a worldwide credit problem, meaning that even their "affordable housing" is no longer affordable because the disadvantaged got laid off, and the house costs half-again as much anyway, even after the recent value drops. Unbridled emotionalism is the fundamental basis of the leftist philosophy. It is child-like wants unfettered by logistical or rational concerns. Hence the unstated goal of leftist argumentation styles (be it Alinsky-ist sort of stuff or just internet trolls) . . . to short-circuit your reasoning faculties and those of any readers. "Shock, mock, and produce disgust." After this you get to DEFCON 3 and below, which are largely not worth concern. DEFCON 3 is for reasonable people who vote Democrat because they don't know that the Democrat leadership is full of leftist Che-corpse-blowing loonies, or haven't heard of the tingly sensations shooting up the media's collective leg at the thought of Obama, or that sort of thing. These people are just ignorant, but can be educated. Depending on how interested or interesting they are, you can actually have a great conversation with these people and learn a lot back and forth. Might even change your mind as you change theirs. But that's the natural result when both minds are open. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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