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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Saltah'na: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: [qb] [QUOTE]The Occupy movement has made statements that such government assistance should be extended to everyone, regardless of their situation. I do not agree with that sentiment, as it encourages the lazy and increases the sense of entitlement that the Occupy movement is so full of.[/QUOTE]I dont know where you get your news from but all the interviews I've seen with the people at OWS and the people I personally know at Occupy Miami have no such "sense of entitlement". They're not looking for a free ride- what most of them are looking for is a bit of fair play- that the people resposible for the loss of so many jobs and wealth face prosecution, not record bonuses. The other major desire (which I also share) is for a constitional ammendment banning campaign contributions over a certain dollar amount- and a overruling of the Citizens United decision (which only such an ammendment can accomplish). A means of accountibility and transparantcy, in other words to the voters- a return to the founding principle of "One person one vote" wherein a small percentage (say one percent) holds the political decisions of the majority hostage- deciding everything from social programs to which wars to fight, based on their own desires and greed. I have yet to see anyone asking to never work again- or even for European style protections- only for the means to cover basic needs while looking for a job- you know, the jobs that are being outsources with help from US taxpayers, which the unemployed certainly were until recently. [/qb][/QUOTE]Perhaps you hadn't been keeping up with the news of the Occupy movement in Toronto, but the statements that I mentioned were the EXACT statements that came from the Toronto protest. There is a lot of criticism that the Canadian Occupy movements did not share the same message as the original Wall Street protesters. In fact, the Toronto movement was basically accused of trying to find something to protest about and it was not necessarily the same views as Wall Street. Why? Because the Canadian financial system was not such a screwup, their original message held less merit here. Our economic situation was not as bad as yours, not as many people unemployed, etc. They decided to protest anyway, and if anything, they HURT the original OWS movement instead of helped. If anything, the OWS movement should have disavoved the Toronto movement. Some food for thought, most of the Toronto protesters didn't camp out at the park, a Toronto Police infrared camera showed that the tents were EMPTY at night. So where did these protesters go? Back to their comfy homes for a nice meal and a shower. That effectively nullified their protest. One other thing, guess who assisted in bankrolling this protest? The same Toronto Outside Workers Union. Again, the Toronto Occupy protest was and will always be illegitimate. Don't get me wrong, the issues that you have mentioned are big problems indeed and that so many people have basically gotten away with murder while so many others were affected by the financial meltdown (myself included, indirectly). My problem is that the protests may not be the most effective method of addressing these issues, especially, in our case, the true "message" runs the risk of being diluted by illegitimate forms of protest. Here is where I believe government regularion is absolutely needed, unfortunately, your GOP is not helping matters by actually SIDING with your broken financial system. Why is the GOP trying to protect the companies that got us into this mess instead of condemning them? Obama is indeed a wonderful president. Too bad he is about to be run roughshod by events that were never under his control, and never truly his fault. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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