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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Guardian 2000: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Zipacna: [qb] The problem is that your view of what TPTB are viewing as canon is wrong, and completely skewed. This is what Akiva Goldman had to say about how he and Kurtzman view canon from a 2017 interview: [/QUOTE][/qb] Kudos for upping your game. I knew of that quote in 2018. It doesn't prove what you want, I'm afraid, any more than Goldsman confirming Spock would not appear in his statements to media early on made it so. Goldsman is on board with "Prime". Prior to the part you quoted, he said "This is the Prime universe {…} not the JJ-verse or the Kurtzman-verse." Indeed, while some thought Picard was referencing the Romulus stuff but that it maybe happened a tad differently in some CBS version, Goldsman is clear he views the 2009 JJ version of the 24th Century as Prime canon. https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/star-trek-picards-romulan-continuity-explained-by-the-producer Regarding the books and such, I have no idea how he had missed the memo at that point in 2017, before the show even premiered. However, even if you view it as contradictory, which you clearly do, Kurtzman outranks Goldsman and has repeatedly said the same thing about considering books and such canon over and over, quite clearly, across the years, and even on video, bracketing Goldsman's claim. We even have Kurtzman talking about the 2018 quote in 2019, as if to make sure folks got it: "I did actually note at one point when I was asked about the graphic novels and comics that after 50-plus years it’s literally impossible to stay entirely consistent with canon {…}" https://ew.com/tv/2019/01/11/star-trek-discovery-canon/ Goldsman is overruled. [QUOTE] [qb] I hope you see the irony in you saying this, given Kurtzman has said so many times that New Trek is in the classic timeline. [/qb] [/QUOTE]There's no irony. I'm the only one listening to him. You're trying so hard to reject what he's saying you just tried to overrule him using Goldsman. [QUOTE] [qb] Ironically as well, Roddenberry tried to tell us that Star Trek V was apocryphal...nobody listened, so we wouldn't necessarily accept dictates that change established policy about what is and isn't canon. [/qb][/QUOTE]Roddenberry privately considered a lot of pieces of a lot of episodes and films apocryphal, though as far as I know he never "tried to tell us" publicly. What we know comes from Arnold et al. He had the proverbial bully pulpit available, so had he wanted them excised in toto it would've been trivially easy to say so. Thus, that counterargument doesn't really fly. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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