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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Captain Untouchable: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: [QB] A supernova is a natural phenomenon; it cannot travel faster than light. The idea that Spock could have been en route in Vulcan's fastest ship and been beaten to Romulus by the supernova is ludicrous. [/QUOTE]You're making the (possibly flawed) assumption that Spock departed from Romulus. The "fastest ship" was built by the Vulcan Science Institute, so he could concievably have gone back to Vulcan to get the red matter, and tried to fly back to Romulus in Vulcan's fastest ship, but didn't make it in time before the Supernova got there. [QUOTE]As for the so-called "black holes," they behave absolutely [i]nothing[/i] like what we know of real black holes. The time travel thing is the least of it, I don't even mind that. There's just no conception in anyone's mind in the film that after swallowing Vulcan, or Nero's ship, or whatever, a black hole would only grow and continue to suck in more matter until it ate everything. It's not just something that can be shrugged off or magically disappear once the drama is over.[/QUOTE]Spock was the one that called it a "Black Hole". If the singularity didn't actually behave like a black hole (about which very little is known, incidentally), then perhaps it [i]wasn't[/i] an actual black hole, and Spock was generalising. Perhaps it was a micro-singularity, like the ones that were theoretically going to blink in and out of existance every few fractions of a second in the LHC at CERN? You're assuming that nothing new about science could possibly be discovered in the next couple of centuries; think about how many times scientific assumptions have been proven wrong in the past. As for the rest... I hope you enjoyed getting the rant out of your system. I happen to agree with very little of it... but then I see stuff like the Star Trek franchise as just being "a story". In the same way that the classic novels get retold in slightly different ways from time to time, I don't see why such a damn good story can't be retold in such a way that it *doesn't* exclude a whole new audience. I mean, come on: how many new viewers do you honestly think would have gone to see the movie, if it had just slotted in with the continuity? Either it would have needed to spend ages re-introducing the characters (which would be boring for fans), or it would have not bothered, and thus confused and alienated the new viewers. This way, they came up with a compromise that allowed them to describe familiar characters and situations, but in such a way that was new for everyone. Its fun. It was enjoyable. You said so yourself. At the end of the day, why the hell does anything beyond that matter? Its a [i]movie[/i], for Kirk's sake! :p [/QB][/QUOTE]
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