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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lee: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Guardian 2000: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Lee: [qb] So despite all the above, we're still where we were when I said "Canon is what has been onscreen, with a few offscreen facts generally accepted as canon until either proved or disproved."[/qb][/QUOTE]Except that isn't true. [/QUOTE]What? [QUOTE] [qb] [QUOTE]Taking one such fact doesn't automatically canonise all equivalent facts.[/qb][/QUOTE]Thanks! Been saying that for years. The problem is that I still believe it, but you don't. [/QUOTE]What what?! [QUOTE] If inclusion of a novel detail doesn't confer canonicity, then the absence of such a detail cannot disprove stated canonicity. By analogy, if having turn signals doesn't make your vehicle a car, then removing the turn signals doesn't make it not-a-car. Yes, a car requires turn signals in most legal systems, but the car doesn't suddenly become a motorcycle by being in violation. So, back to the point, even if they're not extremely successful at active incorporation, that doesn't negate the fact that the non-canon informs their thinking *by design*, or that it is canon to them *by decree*. [/qb][/QUOTE]Stop doing analogies! They’re making the inside of my skull itch. Your premise remains nonsensical. Your initial claim as quoted by Dukhat is still unproven. You haven’t demonstrated any wholesale adoption of novel material or how it is undermining canon, nor how it is evidencing DSC/PIC being in another timeline. Seeking inspiration from book content is fine, we’ve already shown it can be done without polluting canon. And by counterpoint, if book facts were being cleaved to dogmatically, then the former [i]Stargazer[/i] doctor played by David Paymer would have been written as one of the characters from TNG novel “Reunion.” But they didn’t. If you don’t like DSC or PIC, then fine. You’re not alone in doing so. I don’t see why headcanoning it that it’s an alternate timeline is meant to help. And what happens when they DO make some Trek you like (and which you don’t feel you have to headcanon as being alternate) and then it references events of either of these two shows? You’re just going to go even further down the rabbit hole. [IMG]https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2018/09/1e66ac6e065c75b9-600x338.jpg[/IMG] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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