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[QUOTE]Originally posted by OnToMars: [QB] [QUOTE][qb]Originally posted by FawnDoo:[/qb] Adama was close to retirement, that's true, as was his ship, so he did run things a little more informally than he otherwise might have, but I don't think he was a loose commander - and certainly not a bad one. The fact that his ship survived the attack, survived over a year of constant engagements with the Cylons, herded 50,000 people safely through enemy territory and managed to find/raid supplies as needed, speaks to his ability as a commander and the abilities of the people under his command. It also points to him being pretty damn good at his job.[/QUOTE]His ship survived the attack because it was the oldest, most unadvanced one in the fleet. Adama and crew got lucky and there was absolutely no extraordinary skill involved in their survival. The whole point of [i]Galactica[/i] is that it isn't the [i]Enterprise[/i] and they're not the creme of the crop on the flagship. And it's become quite clear now that the Cylons' true intent is not to destroy the RTF, since they clearly know where they are (per "Final Cut") and, according to Cain, have been following them since the Attack. So I would say Adama's (and Roslin's for that matter) ability to keep the fleet alive against this hell-bent enemy is not quite the feat it seems. Now I'm not saying this means they're not a good crew, or that I don't absolutely love each and every character and actor (except for Boomer/Grace Park, not really a big fan), because I do. I love that the people in this show are so largely and completely flawed and messed up, and yet they still do their jobs and do them well. But I'm afraid your statement just doesn't hold water, considering circumstances. [QUOTE][qb]Originally posted by FawnDoo:[/qb] Tigh was a drinker under Adama's command, that's true - but as for Starbuck, where does the "fist happy" thing come from, the time she hit Tigh? If it's that you mean, even Tigh admitted that he turned the table over first - Starbuck was just defending herself. And she reported to the Brig herself, organised (with Tyrol) the transfer of the Mark II fighters to the landing bay that wasn't a gift shop, conducted recon, combat missions, everything under the sun...not the hallmarks of a terrible officer. A hotheaded one yes, but a bad one? No.[/QUOTE]I'm not saying she's a bad officer. Well, okay, I am. She's a good pilot and a bad officer. But being what the military considers a bad officer is points in my book. She may be this amazing pilot, but she still, when you get right down to it, insubordinate. Nobody should be able to hit the XO and get away with it. In fact, in the podcast for "Pegasus," RDM says essentially that. When Cain calls out Adama for all these failures - drunk XO, insubordinate pilot, crewmen fraternizing with the enemy, Adama can't say anything because it's all true. Sure, Cain is deeply flawed herself, she's just as strict as Adama is loose, but she still has a point, and that's what's so compelling (and I agree, I'd take Adama's [i]Galactica[/i] over Cain's [i]Pegasus[/i] anyday). [QUOTE][qb]Originally posted by FawnDoo:[/qb] Adama ran the ship informally, but he wasn't a bad commander. And if you need a comparison just look at Nelena Cain - someone on the other side of the formality scale, and look at the crew she ended up with. If those two are my choices, I will pick Adama's slightly more informal style of command any time.[/QUOTE]He is a bad commander. He gets too close: too close to his XO, to his best pilot, to his CAG. He's not a perfect man. He's also a good commander in many ways. It's because both exist in him that I love the character so much. [QUOTE][qb]Originally posted by FawnDoo:[/qb] No, Adama has imperfect people because people are imperfect by their very nature, that is what it means to be human after all. To suggest otherwise would be to say that if Adama was more of a hardass the people serving under him would suddenly become something contrary to human nature.[/QUOTE]People are imperfect, it's the whole point of the show. And I'm not saying if Adama were more of a hardass than it would be the Starship [i]Enterprise[/i]. But it would be a tighter ship. It'd also be a more boring show. [QUOTE][qb]Originally posted by FawnDoo: [/qb]You could be a complete asshole and still be good at your job, remember.[/QUOTE]Oh I know, I love the character of Colonel Tigh, personally. :) [/QB][/QUOTE]
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