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Guardian 2000
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From Reuters

You know, I was iffy on the whole "invading Iraq right now" thing, but as of now I personally want to lead the charge. And I personally want to hold Hussein down and listen to his screams while donkeys and camels have their way with him.

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Tom Selleck in Mr. Baseball
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Sigh.
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Um, yeah. And you're surprised that the Iraqis are saying stuff like this? In case you didn't notice, they hate us. They were celebrating in the streets when they heard of the attacks on September 11.

Old news... [Roll Eyes]

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I'm surprised that people can hear about stuff like this and still act like the Iraqis are innocent little lambs and war would be a terrible loss...
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Double fucking sigh.
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Indeed... oh well, at least I actually made more than a three-word contribution. [Roll Eyes]
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Contribution?
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That's funny... I guess. (Now I see the secret to becoming a senior member at Flare--just troll around threads.)
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Be advised that Iraq's media is state-run...say, for instance, someone would write a headline expressing sorrow for the Coumbia astronauts. That reporter would a)be imprisoned b)be killed or c)be silenced in someway. I'm sure many Iraqis feel sorry for the US today and on September 11, but there story just isn't getting out because Saddam won't let it get out. He's a dictator, and he controls what his press says.

Be advised, also, that while it may be a lie on Iraq's part, a few days after Sept. 11, maybe the 16th or so, Iraq said they would be willing to help the US in some way "if the US asked for it." But they said American arrogance would probably stop them from asking Iraq for any aid or help from Iraq after the attacks.

Yes, many of them hate us, but wouldn't you hate a country that has threatened to bomb you into oblivion for months?

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quote:
Originally posted by Starship Millennium:
I'm surprised that people can hear about stuff like this and still act like the Iraqis are innocent little lambs and war would be a terrible loss...

The question of whether the Iraqis are "little lams" or not is not the issue. The problem that I have (and that UM seems to have, though I don't have a perfectly reliable Sarcasm Filter(tm) [Wink] ) is that people are against the war, against attacking Iraq -- but then act surprised when they hear that the Iraqis hate us for bombing them at random for the past twelve years and totally ruining their economy, infrastructure, and way of life.

(The previous statement does not purport to endorse any fact, but merely the apparent opinion of the Iraqi public based on interviews and stories which I have read in the past.)

It seems to me that regardless of anything the Iraqi public seems to think, it should not have an effect on anyone's opinion of whether or not to go to war. Especially because the shuttle incident has absolutely nothing to do with Saddam Hussein.

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That is what I would write were I literate enough to do so.
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If anyone thinks that the Columbia loss is a reason to go to war, yes, then I agree. That's totally ridiculous.

And you're right, they have a reason to be angry since we didn't take care of Hussein when we should have, and were stupid enough to support him at one point. Jealousy over America's status as the only world superpower while most of our popular culture (read: Hollywood) has been in the crapper is also another legitimate reason to be angry. But I still can't shed a tear for the plight of the Iraqi people. They support Saddam Hussein, therefore screwing themselves over (although the point that they don't know any better is valid: all the more reason he needs to go). Once they start treating women better, stop acting like everyone hates them because of their religion, and stop using their infrastructure for war against the infidels, I still have to keep my opinion. (Emphasis on the OPINION part, m'kay? [Smile] ) Sitting back and doing nothing has obviously gotten us absolutely nowhere, as evidenced by what has happened in the last ten years.

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"Jealousy over America's status as the only world superpower while most of our popular culture (read: Hollywood) has been in the crapper is also another legitimate reason to be angry."

I'm not quite sure I understand this. At all. In any way.

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Again, this is just my opinion, but most television shows, movies, and music have lately been filled with too much graphic violence, sex, and language, and it's all hailed as revolutionary. Celebrities trot themselves out at glitzy awards shows, claiming to care about the environment yet driving gas-guzzling SUVs and buying homes that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to heat and power. They all live in a dream world spending incredible amounts of money on pointless stuff. People know who J.Lo is dating this week, yet can't name their senators, let alone their representative.

I'll be the first to say that entertainment has an important place in our culture, and wouldn't want to see it go away. But when it gets to the point where you have celebrities detached from reality and people worshiping their every word and action like they're some sort of demigods, there's a problem.

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