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Curry Monster
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There is an idea being promoted by the US, UK and the EU regarding the dumping of nuclear waste. They wish to create a central waste repository somewhere. Guess where that is. Australia. As you may be able to guess....I'm livid with anger in regards to this 'idea'.

'Hey you! You have the space! Yeah, let's see if we can dump our sh*t there!'

How unfortunate that we have space, natural resources etc. What makes them think that we want this crap? *scratches head*. The theoretical justification is that we have the space and the technology to be able to handle it better than anyone else. And it will boost out economy my 1%. Yeah, as if we need the money...1% boost to GDP v's nuclear waste. BIG decision there!!!!

My reply to this 'justification' - You also have the technology and the ability to handle it. Take care of your own mess.

Any Australian govt that agrees to this proposal will commit political suicide. I just can't fathom the density of the people that made the proposal!

Let me know if any country wants the sum total of nuclear waste of the world. I'll give them some sleeping pills, and ask them where they keep their wallets, and if they'd mind if I burned their houses down, as they won't be needing them any longer.

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Elim Garak
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That is absurd! Why would they even offer such a proposal?! Okay, sure the space is there, but that is no reason whatsoever.

*grumbles a lot about the U.S. government, excusing the other involved parties who were probably just not thinking straight*

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Diane
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I've never heard about that. Why don't they just send it into the sun or something?

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Firing it into space would be the easiest solution, but could you imagine what would happen if the thing pulled a Challenger? It would contaiminate a huge slice of the world with leathal doses of radiation. It has to go somewhere, and frankly, I'd rather it get buried in Australia than Canada. Of course, it makes the most sense just to stick in in Siberia. Besides, the Russians need the money.

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Sol System
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Why not send it into space? There are several reasons.

1.) It's illegal, at least technically. According to the Outer Space Treaty, no nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction can be placed into orbit. Now, the U.S. and Russia generally turn a blind eye to nuclear material that isn't a weapon, such as the Cassini launch. But I doubt very much that either side will be willing to ignore large amounts of radioactive material being launched.

2.) It's prohibitively expensive. It took the largest rocket the U.S. has, the Saturn V, just to send Apollo to the Moon. What you're asking would require an even larger rocket. I don't think that even the Russian Energya, currently the most powerful rocket design in existance, could boost a significant amount of material towards the sun.

3.) It's dangerous. The Energya, for instance, has a 50% success rate. U.S. rockets are a bit better, but the threat remains.

Eliminating nuclear waste by vaporizing it in the sun seems, on the surface, to be the safest and most elegant solution. And someday it might be. But we need to wait for more advanced propulsion technologies.

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First of Two
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Grind it up and drop it on Belgrade. That'll learn 'em.

Of COURSE I'm kidding.

I just listened to this audiotape of a short story, set in the future, where science and technology, long the despoilers, have finally been used to condense all toxic wasted generated each year into a small, doughnut-shaped object.
Then, in a lavish ceremony at the end of each year (fiscal), hosted by a "Mr. Crystal," one citizen (of the world) is chosen, and in front of a world wide television audience...
They eat it.

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Sol System
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So it's basically like the doughnuts at AM-PM?

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Curry Monster
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quote:
Firing it into space would be the easiest solution, but could you imagine what would happen if the thing pulled a Challenger?
It would contaiminate a huge slice of the world with leathal doses of radiation. It has to go somewhere, and frankly, I'd rather it get buried in Australia than Canada. Of course, it makes the most sense just to stick in in Siberia. Besides, the Russians need the money.

Jarish, my point is this: Australia has no nuclear power generators. I'll be damned if I'm going to allow anyone to dump their crap here.

Canada has plenty of open space to take care of it's own waste, what makes you think we would want it???

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Montgomery
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You're right of course, it's not fair to dump your crap on someone else's country. The US has more than adequate geological sites that could support a deep disposal site. The UK has a more tricky problem, but then all the more reason for spending money on fusion research.

You know, so much of the bad press nuclear power gets is not due to the inherent danger, but because people cut corners or act carelessly.
If you carefully buried waste in a secure area, in such a way that in a century when spaceflight was more safe, you could remove it & ship it to the sun, then it'd be no problem. But no, governments prefer to just dig a deep well, preferably on someone else's land, and throw the garbage down it and forget about it.

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Elim Garak
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No nuclear generators? Wow. I'm very impressed. i think nuclear waste should definitely be kept out then!!

Canada is in on this? Grrr. We do have plenty of space, that's for sure. One of the least densely packed countries in the world... Hm. Perhpas the most least packed. This is intolerable!

They'd better not get away with this.

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Wouldn't it be great if we could just take it all apart and rearrange the particles into food? :]

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The_Tom
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Well... Canada is a very waterlogged country. Most of our empty land is either in the Canadian Shield and therefore capable of polluting millions of lakes or in the Arctic/Subarctic and has a layer of permafrost or sheet ice making burial there not such a great idea. Interior Australia? No problems there. It's much drier and has an even lower population density. Besides, there must be a lot of buried radioactive waste there already. Something must be in Daryus' curry that explains.. well... explains... it.

In all seriousness, I don't support this proposal at all. But logically Australia is perhaps the best spot in the world to do this. (There and in Belgrade)

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PsyLiam
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My word, Daryus is REALLY pissed. 4 exclamation marks in a row, 3 question marks.

Don't use those punctuation points unless you mean it.

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Curry Monster
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What, you think I am joking?

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Krenim
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Does anyone know about how long until we get workable fusion power? I saw a chart about a year ago (I think it was necessary heat vs. necessary pressure), and it looked like we were getting awfully close. Having a high-pitched voice is much preferable to all sorts of nasty radiation-induced diseases.

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