Topic: On the subject of homosexual marriages......
Saltah'na
Chinese Canadian, or 75% Commie Bastard.
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.... I found this article as very interesting reading.
-------------------- "And slowly, you come to realize, it's all as it should be, you can only do so much. If you're game enough, you could place your trust in me. For the love of life, there's a tradeoff, we could lose it all but we'll go down fighting...." - David Sylvian FreeSpace 2, the greatest space sim of all time, now remastered!
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"Happiness, it seems, is an affront; they simply cannot fathom the idea of two people wishing to live together as a family, and to be accepted the way the Almighty created them."
The phrase non sequitur comes to mind. Nobody said "you can't be happy because we hate happy people". They said "you can't be happy because we hate homosexuals". Or, in the case of the authors' families, "you can't be happy because we hate your partner's religion". It's just bigotry. Oppose it on that point. Don't try to theorize some sort of conspiracy of depressives.
"A Muslim monthly magazine asked its readers in an editorial, 'Would you rather have church or state in your bedroom?'"
Response 1: Aren't they the same thing in most Muslim countries?
Response 2: I'd rather have a woman in my bedroom, but maybe that's just me.
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quote:If you believe your religion doesn't permit gay marriage, then simply don't marry a person of your own sex. End of story. Why would you wish to impose this standard on people who believe that religion, in their interpretation, does not exclude same-sex marriages?
Because Religion still holds sway over the legislative process the world over.
Even in Canada, I still can't kill whover I want. I say "Hey man, that's your religious belief, not mine" but they just don't listen. Tolerant of other's lifestyles my ass!
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My bedroom is too small for a church or a state, and thinking about it, some women too, but the women would be more welcome......
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Da_bang80
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I don't see why people are so uptight about gay marriages. It's not like THEY'RE getting married to a member of the same sex. So why should they be so upitty? (I don't know how to spell that word, if it even is a word)
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quote:Originally posted by Da_bang80: I don't see why people are so uptight about gay marriages. It's not like THEY'RE getting married to a member of the same sex.
Mabye they're jsut keeping their options open.
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Cartman
just made by the Presbyterian Church
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Because, Dabang, while all people of all colors, class, race, and preference are creations of God, and all of them, without any discrimination whatsoever are equally entitled to say "our Father who art in heaven...", and all of them share the same human nature, homosexuals are in an exclusion clause.
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Another forum I was at touched on this topic and I liked what this guy said:
quote:If we're going to declare marriages to be about love, then make it so. Don't say they're about love, deny that love can occur between people of the same gender, and then deny them the right to marriage. Don't declare that marriages are about love, allow homosexual marriages, simply to turn it back and say, "Welcome to the world of marriage, you lovey-dovey queers: pay our tax." Marriage is a financial and legal institution, and love is simply one of our wacky ideologies that muddled it up.
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Marriage is a financial and legal institution, and love is simply one of our wacky ideologies that muddled it up.
And thus, while cute...the whole line of argument is irrelevant. The primary opposition to gay marriages is religious, therefore while that argument may be of influence towards businessmen, lawyers, and the romantic, it has no bearing on the line of reasoning that marriage is a union between a man and a woman as declared by God and sanctified by the church.
Cartman: Of course the Church also discriminates against oh, murderers, sinners, adulterers, the gluttinous.......and Muslims, Jews, Bhuddists, etc. The key here is choice, all of the above lifestyles are choices and as far as the Church still believes (and it still hasn't been proved either way scientifically as far as I know) that being gay is a choice. Race, class, colour, etc. are all out of our control and thus non-comparable.
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quote:Originally posted by Mucus: Cartman: Of course the Church also discriminates against oh, murderers, sinners, adulterers, the gluttinous
The gluttinous? Almost EVERY bishop is a cow. Find me a bishop that works out. Go ahead, try.
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Dude, are you autistic?
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Mountain Man
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Haven't you heard the old saying "The only traditions of the British Navy are Rum Sodomy and the Lash". They used to attribute the saying to Winston Churchill. His secretary said he didn't come up with the line but he wished that he had.
The point being here is not all Religions are dead set against homosexuals. Just as not all Brits are homosexuals. This particular Bishop is a homosexual its, mentioned in the search area of that web site. Also he's not a fat Cow and apparently works hard at his job.
The main people objecting to same sex marriges in the US are the insurance companies. At least the ones who can affect the law making process. Most people here don't give a rats ass what gays do. least of all whether or not they get married.
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Autism it is.
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Mountain Man
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Apparently the fact that the main objections to Gay Marriges comes from the companies that insure workers hasn't come to your attention.
When you work for a company in this country your employer has to give certain benefits to your family. Health insurance dental care and some other stuff. Same sex Marrige partners would be eligible for the same thing. You do the math.
Besides look at all the recent scandals in the Catholic Church. Who are they kidding.
Remember separation of church and state. That they can do. separation of politicians and big business is another story altogether.
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