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MM: That bishop is also Episcopalian. I believe the question referred to Roman Catholic bishops, as evidenced by the use of the phrase "the Church".
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Tora Regina quoted: "If we're going to declare marriages to be about love, then make it so."
You know, I haven't thought about it in a long time but I'm pretty sure that it's a rather modern development, looking at history. I'm not sure the God of the Bible would define marriage as "a union that should be made when two people love eachother". I get the impression that it's a bit understated, anyway.
I mean, what with all the marrying for political, diplomatic and power-gaining motives (getting land or riches from the girl's parents in exchange for becoming a member of your house), I think the modern, generally accepted notion of marriage as a sweet, romantic entity got widespread rather late. Say, 1500's and forward. What do you people think?
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I think there are two competing tendencies when it comes to our consideration of the past. We either romanticize it, overlooking the often harsh and brutal conditions that make up the statistically typical human experience, or we veer in the opposite direction and see it as this totally alien place.
Anyway, it seems to me that our understanding of what makes a happy life (including a happy marriage) are, in fact, pretty modern. But at the same time, we wouldn't love at all if it didn't have a deep evolutionary history.
And the Bible does, at least, contain an ode to getting it on.
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In a sociology class I took (to finish off my gen. ed. credits), the teacher said the idea of families caring about each other (rather than being an economic entity) only dates back to something like the late 1700s.
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quote:Originally posted by TSN: In a sociology class I took (to finish off my gen. ed. credits), the teacher said the idea of families caring about each other (rather than being an economic entity) only dates back to something like the late 1700s.
You had an idiot for a sociolgy teacher. Where did he come up with that crap? Even literature from aincent times shows families caring about each other. Aincent mythology is rife with familial caring. Bible stuff too.
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I think it had more to do with what was viewed as the main purpose of a family. In olden tymes (or, as Liam would have it, when Lee was coming of age), people married and had hordes of children because they needed free labor and stuff like that. Only later did the idea arise that one should hold off on marriage in order to find love, and all that romantic stuff.
I don't know. I was only trying to get by in the class enough so I wouldn't pull my GPA down. I only took it because I had to. It was in the morning! Come on!
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I'm not blaming you! People really do view the past as either horrible, oppressive and uncaring or rosy and wonderful charming.
Any people that could fall in love in a world without deoderant, toilet paper or sex eduaction are pretty hardy without having to marry for money. Mabye he just had a unloving childhood where his parents married for financial gain and used him as slave labor.
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The one about "condoms promoting promiscuity" always leaves me ROTFL. Or causes a psychosomatically induced epileptic attack that amounts to the same. Timo Saloniemi
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Cartman, your post looks like that after being edited? That entry gets a loll from Nim, and rightly so.
If only all the promiscuous catholic priests in the Vatican were to contract AIDS, maybe that would be an eyeopener for them...
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quote:Originally posted by Cartman: The skulls of these people are laced with such a fucking heavy element it should be added to the periodic table.
This ties in nicely with the thread about Dark Matter being discovered as real...
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